The Senechal

[Calgar 2.0]

My idea of a possible codex chapter. Or it could be a divergant chapter.

Here are some ideas.

-Luna Wolves Gene-Seed

-Led by Former Luna Wolve Iacton Qruze

- Based off of The Knights Templar

[Ace Debonair]

My idea of a possible codex chapter. Or it could be a divergant chapter.

 

Here are some ideas.

-Luna Wolves Gene-Seed

-Led by Former Luna Wolve Iacton Qruze

- Based off of The Knights Templar

 

Your picture doesn't show up. :)

Hinting at Luna Wolves gene-seed would be a nice idea, but stating it outright is something I'd advise against.

I'd certainly avoid namedropping any existing characters with regard to a DIY chapter. It won't add anything worthwhile to the IA, trust me.

 

Knights Templar are a good source of inspiration - but try not to make them into the Black Templars with a traitor geneseed. :(

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

I swear I've heard that name before, the Senechal but for the life of me I can't remember where. Some book, or something. Boy what a great memory I have.

 

Honestly, without more information this is a complete shot in the dark. You do know the entire chain of events that now disavows the use of 'traitor' geneseed don't you? What I'm asking is how you propose your chapter actually comes to be if this is the case. As Ace said, hinting is fine but actually categorically stating their origins would be unwise unless you can pull off writing a convincing enough reason for it to happen.

[Madwolf Shadowmane]

The Senechal are mentioned in the Pathfinder series by Sara Douglas

[RagingGriffon]

I just want to add something to what, Ace and GHY (and I agree with them whole heartedly) said: why do you want Luna Wolves? Is it because you feel like they need to be the underdog because their Primarch was the ultimate traitor? If the answer is, "I think the Luna Wolves are cool," then that isn't a good enough reason.

 

With all that said, you can do what you want. It is YOUR hobby. Your gaming circle might think that's cool, but we aren't your gaming circle. You are putting it out on the B&C to be crtiqued by the toughest critics in the world. Have thick skin, listen to the critiques, and persevere. A globally accepted DIY Chapter isn't easy. I've submitted one, and it got rejected. So, keep your chin up, and prepare to work hard.

[Guest Mordray]

I think the word Seneschal was used in one of the HH novels (of the first two given my lack of having read any others) as it sounded familiar to me as well and was immediately associated with the Lunar Wolves in my mind.

 

Other then that I'll reserve judgment until more information is presented.

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

The Senechal are mentioned in the Pathfinder series by Sara Douglas

 

Ah yes, I like Sara Douglas' work, that's probably it. My thanks, I was wracking my brain for the answer!

[Aqui]

The word has been used in a few literary works, but this article explains it's meaning:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneschal

[Calgar 2.0]

I just want to add something to what, Ace and GHY (and I agree with them whole heartedly) said: why do you want Luna Wolves? Is it because you feel like they need to be the underdog because their Primarch was the ultimate traitor? If the answer is, "I think the Luna Wolves are cool," then that isn't a good enough reason.

 

With all that said, you can do what you want. It is YOUR hobby. Your gaming circle might think that's cool, but we aren't your gaming circle. You are putting it out on the B&C to be crtiqued by the toughest critics in the world. Have thick skin, listen to the critiques, and persevere. A globally accepted DIY Chapter isn't easy. I've submitted one, and it got rejected. So, keep your chin up, and prepare to work hard.

 

Well, Your kinda spot on with the with whole underdog thing. I like the idea that Iacton Qruze would be the first Marine to do this. As for being accepted, it doesn't matter to me :woot:. If I like it, I'm gonna make it. I'm going to be working on a marine with newer equipment, and one with somewhat Pre-Heresy equipment.

[Donkey Kong]

Well, Your kinda spot on with the with whole underdog thing. I like the idea that Iacton Qruze would be the first Marine to do this. As for being accepted, it doesn't matter to me furious.gif. If I like it, I'm gonna make it. I'm going to be working on a marine with newer equipment, and one with somewhat Pre-Heresy equipment.

 

If this is your attitude I won't bother trying to explain anything to you.

 

Everyone has their own version of the 40k universe, whether you want to believe that or not. What makes the B&C so wonderful with all of the Liber Chapters is that there is always a sense of feasibility, even if GW has never mentioned them. Employees of companies responsible for making canon, such as Fantasy Flight Games, read the B&C forums and Librarium. If you don't believe me, read their Storm Warden entry, better yet, ask Codex Grey and read about his Warriors Eternal yourself.

 

To paraphrase Octavulg: You enter chapters here because you want them scrutinized until you have made them the best that they can be.

 

You're not asking for advice, you're not asking for help, you're throwing out bullet points and asking, no telling, us to accept it, if not make it for you. It's plain as day in GHY's signature:

 

I'll be as blunt as I can on this statement. It is not his or our job to work on your chapter, that's your job. The Liber is quality control, not the assembly line.

~Telveryon

 

As for your statement concerning Iacton Qruze, do you know where he stands in the current canon? I don't and I doubt you do. Here's something that may jog you: As far as the community at large is concerned, GW's word is law. Want an example? SCC wrote the IA for the Brazen Claws, a GW Chapter with very little official information. In the latest codex, the Brazen Claws were destroyed. Could SCC theoretically continue writing information about the Chapter beyond the point of their destruction? Sure, however this would be his universe and not 40k as we know it.

 

You are not special. You are not important. You are not a unique snowflake who falls from God's good sky to grace the land with your presence. It is your obligation to work within the rules should you with to participate in this game. If you don't want to play by the rules, don't play the game.

 

I leave you with this:

 

A globally accepted DIY Chapter isn't easy. I've submitted one, and it got rejected. So, keep your chin up, and prepare to work hard.

[Calgar 2.0]

++The Senechal++

 

Thought For The Day: Only in death does duty end.

 

The Senechal were formed in between the 1st and 2nd Foundings, by a small circle of Inquisitors from the Ordo Malleus, and Ordo Xenos. They saw the need for a Space Marine Chapter that knew the traitor legion's tactics very well. The group contacted former Captain Iacton Qruze, who was working as a mercenary for isolated planets in the Segmentum Tempustus. He was brought to the planet of Eire, where the 1st 200 recruits were drawn from the populace. Iacton Qruze trained two captains, Aidan McCarren, and Jonah Trevallion, both former members of the Imperial Guard. He schooled them in the ways of the Luna Wolves, and he told them of the battles of the Unifacation Wars. The chapter was trained hard, but they had a trial by fire, when a Ork Waaaggh! attacked Eire, the Senechal successfully held off the attack with the help of the PDF. Only a dozen marines were lost.

 

Because of the chapter's secretive founding, they could not stay on Eire, so they became a space-borne chapter. They then participated in the Age of Apostasy, where Iacton Qruze was slain fighting Goge Vandire's heretical forces near were he was born on Terra. Since then, they have reached numbers of 1100, and have participated in the defense of the Imperium during all of the Black Crusades. They have won countless battles against the enemies of The Emperor, particularly against the Black Legion. They will fight as long as there is an enemy to fight.

[Argon]

Well, if you wanna go through with it, that's fine with me. It's your chapter, after all.

 

The Senechal were formed in between the 1st and 2nd Foundings, by a small circle of Inquisitors from the Ordo Malleus, and Ordo Xenos. They saw the need for a Space Marine Chapter that knew the traitor legion's tactics very well.

 

Wouldn't every loyalist legion know them just as well? I know there's certain differences, but couldn't they just go "So, Ultramarines, what tactics did the Word Bearers use against you?" and so on.

 

The group contacted former Captain Iacton Qruze, who was working as a mercenary for isolated planets in the Segmentum Tempustus. He was brought to the planet of Eire where the 1st 200 recruits were drawn from the populace.

 

Why exactly would he be in the Segmentum Tempestus? Also, does the planet really have to be named Eire? It's your call, of course, but it sort of breaks my suspension of disbelief.

 

Iacton Qruze trained two captains, Jakob McCarren, and Jonah Trevallion, both former members of the Imperial Guard. He schooled them in the ways of the Luna Wolves, and he told them of the battles of the Unifacation Wars. The chapter was trained hard, but they had a trial by fire, when a Ork Waaaggh! attacked Eire, the Senechal successfully held off the attack with the help of the PDF. Only a dozen marines were lost.

 

Wouldn't they both be too old to become Space Marines? I know it's just after the Heresy, so they might have wonderous technology that makes my complaint moot. Also, it looks like you underestimate how powerful a WAAAAAGH! is. We're talking millions of Orks here. You'd lose way more than just twelve Marines.

 

If you're going to name the planet Eire, might I suggest using Celtic names?

 

They then participated in the Age of Apostasy, where Iacton Qruze was slain fighting Goge Vandire's heretical forces near were he was born on Terra.

 

According to Lexicanum, Galaxy in Flames says he was born on Cthonia. Yes, it's weird. I don't have any of teh Horus Heresy books, so I leave it to you to check that.

 

Since then, they have reached numbers of 1600

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Is there a reason they're so gigantic? They've got six extra companies there. That's the majority of another chapter.

 

 

 

and have participated in the defense of the Imperium during all of the Black Crusades.

 

So why haven't we heard about them yet?

[Calgar 2.0]

They then participated in the Age of Apostasy, where Iacton Qruze was slain fighting Goge Vandire's heretical forces near were he was born on Terra.

 

According to Lexicanum, Galaxy in Flames says he was born on Cthonia. Yes, it's weird. I don't have any of teh Horus Heresy books, so I leave it to you to check that.

 

 

In one of the HH books, it says he was a veteran of the Unifacation Wars, therefore he was a Terran. It is weird that it says he was Cthonian, while he is a Unifacation Veteran. I think that might just be a "boo boo" on the part of Ben Counter (how good is he at using the fluff anyways?).

 

As far as the fluff, its a hobby, I thought it would be a good modelling experience. The Luna Wolves caught my eye ;).*

 

*Eye of Horus.

[Calgar 2.0]

++The Senechal++

 

Thought For The Day: Only in death does duty end.

 

The Senechal were formed in between the 1st and 2nd Foundings, by a small circle of Inquisitors from the Ordo Malleus, and Ordo Xenos. They saw the need for a Space Marine Chapter that knew the traitor legion's tactics very well. The group contacted former Captain Iacton Qruze, who was working as a mercenary for isolated planets in the Segmentum Tempustus. He was brought to the planet of Eire, where the 1st 200 recruits were drawn from the populace. Iacton Qruze trained two captains, Aidan McCarren, and Jonah Trevallion, both former members of the Imperial Guard. He schooled them in the ways of the Luna Wolves, and he told them of the battles of the Unifacation Wars. The chapter was trained hard, but they had a trial by fire, when a Ork Waaaggh! attacked Eire, the Senechal successfully held off the attack with the help of the PDF. Only a dozen marines were lost.

 

Because of the chapter's secretive founding, they could not stay on Eire, so they became a space-borne chapter. They then participated in the Age of Apostasy, where Iacton Qruze was slain fighting Goge Vandire's heretical forces near were he was born on Terra. Since then, they have reached numbers of 1100, and have participated in the defense of the Imperium during all of the Black Crusades. They have won countless battles against the enemies of The Emperor, particularly against the Black Legion. They will fight as long as there is an enemy to fight.

[Calgar 2.0]

This is a concept design for termis, so it is subject to change. I'm trying to go with the Celtic/Irish theme that is suggested, I just have to get the Celtic shields from Chapterhouse Studios.