PDF codexes

[Darkmagi]

I have been hearing that the daemon hunters and witch hunters codexes have been put online as pdf's however i have been unable to find them on games workshops site. can some one who has found them please link me to them? it would be much appreciated

[boreas]

They're not up yet... Should be in a couple of weeks if your believe the rumors... Don't expect any "updating", though, as that would have been too easy and logical to do.

 

Phil

[Inquisitor Fox]

The statement about them being added via PDF is legit and in print, I read it myself yesterday in my friend's White Dwarf. I have yet to see them added to the GW website yet though.

[Verythrax Draconis]

The only positive aspect of having them as PDFs is that I just acquired a copy of both in a bundle sale, so it will keep my investment afloat for a while... the bad thing is that I already put my SoBs in the back-burner, since I got completely unmotivated in complete them for now, and I don't plan to start my GKs anytime soon - and it's even more unlikely now that getting stuff for these armies is becoming almost impossible.

 

I'll invest in my brand new, completely generic, out of any flavor, just for play, vanilla SM chapter for now ^_^

 

Does this piece of news mentions anything about:

 

- having the old minis re-issued for the time being?

- will the FAQ corrections and/or new ones fixes be added to the PDF body, instead of a separated doc?

[boreas]

Well, the French DH PDF has assault cannons listed as Heavy 4, rending... That would be a small something!

 

Phil

[WolfLordRadulfr]

I believe it will be on the website early/mid june

[Zode]

Well, the French DH PDF has assault cannons listed as Heavy 4, rending... That would be a small something!

 

Phil

 

It would be nice to have the little differences in weapons and such changed to match what everyone else has. My friends and I play with the newer rules for the discrepencies as a house rule, but it still feels a little wrong. Not to mention once you start mixing rules from other sources it gets too easy to screw things up.

[Dilgar]

:P :P :cuss

 

Ouh, well they arn´t getting any money from me then :( . Sry this just feels like a kick in the groin. Just give us some updates and keep the GM´s Nemesis FW as it is.

[Whitefireinferno]

...Leave his force weapon how it is??? Really...So you can just abuse the wording of old rules for something? oh well when you do get a new dex have fun with your NFW that don't kill EW guys.

 

But anyway are these just the same dex or something like the BA heresy pdf time?

[Justicar Valius]

Worst thing is they announced it as Forces of the imperium players rejoice! Stuff that, more like: IMperial Guard players rejoice! adding an =][= lord with psy hood and mystics just got £12 cheaper!

[boreas]

Why not: Force of the Imperium, rejoice! You'll one day be able to fit in when you get a brand new generic space marine army!

 

Do you think I can fire an employee and tell him to rejoice because he won't have to pay taxes?

 

Phil

[Verythrax Draconis]

Why not: Force of the Imperium, rejoice! You'll one day be able to fit in when you get a brand new generic space marine army!

 

That's my life.

 

=I=, rejoice! Behold the birth of the Dark Eagles! :lol:

 

true story.

[Spacefrisian]

Will it be the same as the current dex or will they update some things eg:

 

Rhinos: 35 p

Vehicles standard with smoke/ search

Stromshield: 3+ inv

Assaultcannons H4 Rending

Use the updated version for PotM like they have in the errata.

[Gentlemanloser]

They do that, and I might start using my GK again.

 

But GW won't.

 

As they could have quite esily done this at any time, thorugh the Errata.

 

But no, GW don't want you to have to have internet access to play your army...

[boreas]

You're right GL. I suggested a few times (in my ongoing complain letters/emails) they should have PDF updates. They told me they didn't want to do that. Which is logical because most of us gamers don't have internet acces... Maybe they should stop the FAQs and instead publish a Codex: FAQ every 5-6 years (MSRP 15 Pounds).

 

Phil

[Judanas]

I can see the Assualt Cannon and the Storm Shields getting done, simply as they are not points ajustments and they work like that in new codexs. I could see these things simply saying 'See codex: Space Marines'

[Justicar Valius]

I can see assault cannons getting done as they are Heavy4 rending in the french codex.

 

Anybody have a date for when this is happening yet?

[Lungboy]

...Leave his force weapon how it is??? Really...So you can just abuse the wording of old rules for something? oh well when you do get a new dex have fun with your NFW that don't kill EW guys.

 

You might have a point if they hadn't worded Hector Rex's rules in IA7 so that his weapon still ignores Eternal Warrior, indicating they intend for Daemonhunter weapons to do likewise.

[the jeske]

I see the pdf dex for DH and WH being simple copy past with 0 changes.

[Chengar Qordath]

I see the pdf dex for DH and WH being simple copy past with 0 changes.

I agree this is probably likely to be the case. The most I would expect is that the codex gets the errata incorporated in some way (either fix the issues, or just tag it onto the end of the PDF.

 

That said, I would be happily surprised to be proven wrong.

[Justicar Valius]

The errtata happens to be printed into the 2nd print run for the most part (bolters 1 point etc). So we can expect that.

 

I actually think the best we ccan hope for is to get the french pdf translated. Then we gets a new assault cannon. My 2 LRC will get even better :devil:

[Gentlemanloser]

I can see the Assualt Cannon and the Storm Shields getting done, simply as they are not points ajustments and they work like that in new codexs. I could see these things simply saying 'See codex: Space Marines'

 

GKT with 'free' 3++ SS option? Nope, no way that will happen in a million years... (Edit: Especially as the BC of a GKT squad can take a 'free' SS without having to buy one from the armory, if you intend to give him a weapon other than a NFW. You could even rebuy the SB you just lost for the fraction of the cost a 3++ SS should be)

 

I'd lke to be proven wrong, but come on, deep down, we all know it won't be changed.

[Marid]

My gut feeling is that the more updates we see in the PDF codexes the less likely we are to see new codexes any time soon.

[Inquisitor =D=]

...Leave his force weapon how it is??? Really...So you can just abuse the wording of old rules for something? oh well when you do get a new dex have fun with your NFW that don't kill EW guys.

 

;) Some unspoken hatred there? :huh:

 

You know what would be an interesting twist? If as a "New" Grey Knight special rule, that Gk's are capaple of fucusing their awesome minds through their Force Weapon in such a way as to overcome the Eternal Warrior rule? I mean come on, we get what 1-3 of those in very large armies. Not exactly a "Game Shattering Edge" there, but it would be Awesome.

 

=]D[=

[ValourousHeart]

...Leave his force weapon how it is??? Really...So you can just abuse the wording of old rules for something? oh well when you do get a new dex have fun with your NFW that don't kill EW guys.

 

 

There are 2 extremes that have to be considered when dealing with the the best way to handle force weapons in the DH codex.

 

First is the elite inquisitor with a force weapon and the current wording that bypasses EW.

This is a 60 point model that can potentially one shot something nasty like a hive tyrant or something else that is over 200 pts.

Is it realistic to expect that S3 model to really be able to live long enough in CC with that hive tyrant in order to kill it with the force weapon?

I don't really think it is.

 

The other extreme has to do with the GKGM and your perspective of the FW not bypassing EW

All deamons in the deamon codex have eternal warrior... even the weakest units.

Now lets consider for a moment that the weakest / cheapest unit in the deamon codex is a swarm base and clocks in about the same as our elite inquisitor with a force weapon.

And the GKGM with gear can easily top the 200 pt range.

 

Now is it realistic that a GKGM, the scourge of deamons, and probably would have had to kill a greater deamon just to get to the rank of GM, could not kill the weakest unit in the deamon codex in a single round of CC.

Sure he could do it, but he would have to hit and wound with every attack and the deamon player would have to fail every save?

So it is only slightly more likely to happen than the elite Inquisitor one shooting the hive tyrant.

 

This doesn't even begin to address the notion that the deamon player may take 2 or more models in that swarm unit.

 

The Grey Knight players are not hoping for a broken codex that allows a little 20 pt model to be able to kill anything with one hit.

But they would like to be able to fight deamons more effectively than say IG... who fluff wise should not be able to table deamons as fast or efficiently as they do.

 

I have lost track of how many times I have listed this example of a conundrum that your narrow-minded hate statement fails to consider.

But I do know that not once has a person from your camp even responded, which leads me to believe that your group just troll though the threads, spill your hate and never look back.

But on the off chance that you do read this, next time instead of just parroting some crap you read on the internet, why not try adding a little of your own thoughts into the conversation.