Counts as Blood Angels

[Dingareth]

I think the problem is not that guy X makes a NL raptor heavy army with a single DP , at least not for most people . The problem is that guy that plays against you as BA , against your friend as SW and against some noob as BT[didnt knew about RZ +took psyker =first turn charge].

 

Why is that?

 

I have a Marine army that is painted silver and gold, and covered in spikes and skulls. Most of the time, I use lots of troops in Rhinos with a few special weapons, and a guy that's good at CC in each. Sometimes, I run a special squad of guys with my force's leader- they have lots of special weapons and the leader that they protect is really good at close combat. Sometimes, if I've got points, I'll bring a Predator or two, or maybe some Dreadnoughts.

 

What army am I running?

 

If you said Chaos, you're correct. If you said Codex Marines, you're correct. If you said Space Wolves, then you're doubly right, and for those of you who said Blood Angels, we'll you'll be right later this afternoon. I just finished painting up my two Baal Predators- with their Twin-Linked Short Barreled Autocannon (to count as a Twin-Linked Assault Cannon) and Heavy Bolter Sponsons. So, where I normally play a grand company with my Space Wolves- Warsmith and his champons leading all types of Marines backed up by some cultists, Dark Mech, demonic allies (Wolf Lord and Wolf Guard leading a bunch of Grey Hunters and Long Fangs, backed up by Inquisitorial Storm Troopers, Wolf Scouts, and Thundrwolf Blood Crushers), today I'll be running an assault force of Mechanized Marines, getting ready to storm the breach made by Vindicators, supported by an armored column. (RAS in Rhinos backed up by 2 Baals, 2 Vindies, and 2 Dreads)

 

The models I use are all WYSIWYG, all painted, and everything is clearly explained. In the last 2 years, I've never had some one turn down a game with me, across 'Ard Boyz, GT's, and pick up games across Baltimore/Northern Virginia/Washing DC area, all the way down to Richmond and Houston. Easily over 150 games, and I've never heard anything but praise for the army. So keep your internat though guy stuff up, but I'd love to see if you'd be this critical of some one to their face.

[JamesI]

My question here is what do people think of chapters created with teh BA codex in mind? I currently play a DIY chapter using the Ba codex and only chose the ba codex because I like assault troops. The theme behind my chapter is that its a fast strike force that uses drop pods and fast transports as well as jump packs. I ignore the red rage rolls at the begining of the game and rarely take a sang priest (and If I do I clame that hes a chapter hero) Am I breaking peoples hobbies by doing this?

Not in my opinion.

 

Use a codex that is fun for you, fits your style. As long as I know you're playing BA, what you call your army and your paint scheme is pretty irrelevant.

 

Sure, if everyone in an area does that its tiring. But in the end you have to try to make the game fun.

 

And who knows, you might find in the end you really like the Blood Angels (I started played BA for the simple reason of assault troops too)

[Requiem of the Wolf]

I think the problem is not that guy X makes a NL raptor heavy army with a single DP , at least not for most people . The problem is that guy that plays against you as BA , against your friend as SW and against some noob as BT[didnt knew about RZ +took psyker =first turn charge].

 

Why is that?

 

I have a Marine army that is painted silver and gold, and covered in spikes and skulls. Most of the time, I use lots of troops in Rhinos with a few special weapons, and a guy that's good at CC in each. Sometimes, I run a special squad of guys with my force's leader- they have lots of special weapons and the leader that they protect is really good at close combat. Sometimes, if I've got points, I'll bring a Predator or two, or maybe some Dreadnoughts.

 

What army am I running?

 

If you said Chaos, you're correct. If you said Codex Marines, you're correct. If you said Space Wolves, then you're doubly right, and for those of you who said Blood Angels, we'll you'll be right later this afternoon. I just finished painting up my two Baal Predators- with their Twin-Linked Short Barreled Autocannon (to count as a Twin-Linked Assault Cannon) and Heavy Bolter Sponsons. So, where I normally play a grand company with my Space Wolves- Warsmith and his champons leading all types of Marines backed up by some cultists, Dark Mech, demonic allies (Wolf Lord and Wolf Guard leading a bunch of Grey Hunters and Long Fangs, backed up by Inquisitorial Storm Troopers, Wolf Scouts, and Thundrwolf Blood Crushers), today I'll be running an assault force of Mechanized Marines, getting ready to storm the breach made by Vindicators, supported by an armored column. (RAS in Rhinos backed up by 2 Baals, 2 Vindies, and 2 Dreads)

 

The models I use are all WYSIWYG, all painted, and everything is clearly explained. In the last 2 years, I've never had some one turn down a game with me, across 'Ard Boyz, GT's, and pick up games across Baltimore/Northern Virginia/Washing DC area, all the way down to Richmond and Houston. Easily over 150 games, and I've never heard anything but praise for the army. So keep your internat though guy stuff up, but I'd love to see if you'd be this critical of some one to their face.

And If you had read earlier posts,you would have noticed he was talking about the people that use the generic,unpainted troops and that wysiwyg is a unlikely prospect. Which would make your army,not the subject of most of this conversation. From the description,you seem to have gotten a Generalistic but coherent paint theme,Found ways to field each unit in each of those Army types while still adhering to WYSIWYG AND ensuring that it is all clearly explained. It was said earlier in this thread but I will reiterate it. Someone that puts that much effort into it,should get nothing but praise,both for creativity and dedication. The major focus of this thread was the people bouncing around to the newest codex to get an advantage.

 

And as far as it goes,I can say as far as I remember,I have never said anything on a forum I wouldn't say in person. Though that could have something to do with alot of people saying I can be a Loud,Obnoxious arse half the time *grins*

[the jeske]

Why is that?

because the next step is guys using WFB and warmachine/horde models and then it is realy hard to explain to a new player why he should buy army X , when his friend uses one for 2-3 different codexs . It is both bad for business for shop owners and it does tend to end up with a counts as extravaganza of epic proportions.

+ against noobs it offten ends with people cheating . I remember a guy me and my friend met in one of the berlin GW. We were there for one day on our way to the GT in UK and we decided to have some fun . I played this guy first and he played SW[and I my nids] . then the same guy said he wanted to play an all infantry battle against my friends IG and so they did , only my friend was informed that he is playing BT [same dude , same army] with the vow that gets extra move against psykers [so 3x10 Assault sm with 2 chaplains do 2d6"+12"+6" and do a first turn charge against his whole army . re-rolling all misses] . stuff like that sucks hard. the fact that some of the SW were legs on bases bothered my friend too[not me for me he could use stones on bases as long as he had one legal model to check LoS].

 

 

 

The models I use are all WYSIWYG, all painted, and everything is clearly explained. In the last 2 years, I've never had some one turn down a game with me, across 'Ard Boyz, GT's, and pick up games across Baltimore/Northern Virginia/Washing DC area, all the way down to Richmond and Houston. Easily over 150 games, and I've never heard anything but praise for the army. So keep your internat though guy stuff up, but I'd love to see if you'd be this critical of some one to their face.

and most of counts as or multi codex armies are not . For each counts as AD mecha or Master class painted/converted army I remember 5-6 , that were not . I dont care how your army looks like or how it is painted , your just one guy and as when thinking about the whole fandom your army is a single example that proves nothing . What I do know that on general when you want pick up games in a new city or shop and you play against a counts as army you will see bretonian horses as bikes a mix of carnifexes beind dreads or DPs . Now if the people that actualy played those armies at least remember the rules for them and knew what model does what , it wouldnt be that bad . but they dont . + if those multi dex guys played against vets that generaly know the rules for all armies it wouldnt be that bad too . but they play against players like them too and that leads to cheating , plasma guns from one battle change to melta guns in another one . a Fex that was counts as dread in one battle is suddenly a DP etc etc.

[Priest33]

Well after a night of thinking on this matter I think my DIY chapter will become a ba successor chapter instead. Solves arguments and frankly I use the BA codex so they should be a successor really.

 

 

now... time to make some priests I guess >.<

[Isryion]

Well after a night of thinking on this matter I think my DIY chapter will become a ba successor chapter instead. Solves arguments and frankly I use the BA codex so they should be a successor really.

 

 

now... time to make some priests I guess >.<

 

I think a DIY chapter shouldn't be a problem at all.

[Whitefireinferno]

Well after a night of thinking on this matter I think my DIY chapter will become a ba successor chapter instead. Solves arguments and frankly I use the BA codex so they should be a successor really.

 

 

now... time to make some priests I guess >.<

 

SUCCESSS!!!!!!1!!11!

 

Sorry I'm just glad that one of these "Counts as BA" armies is now a successor. My problem is where I play there used to be 2 BA players my mate and back when I could use Chapter approved me and my old FT but now out of roughly 30 people there are hmm roughly 18-19 BA armies now ranging from Blood ultras Blood chaos Blood Templar Blood everything, About the only ones that have'nt jumped are the wolves,IG and the Xeno armies.

[Priest33]

Eh the way I see it now is that if im winning so many games using half the rules ba have then using all the rules should make me win more right? Not that winning is the be all end all for me but id rather not cheat myself in a few upcoming tournaments more so when they have an actual chainsword on the line!

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Eh the way I see it now is that if im winning so many games using half the rules ba have then using all the rules should make me win more right? Not that winning is the be all end all for me but id rather not cheat myself in a few upcoming tournaments more so when they have an actual chainsword on the line!

Yeah that would be an Awesome prize to hang on a wall. Hmmm...now that I think about it I wonder how hard it would be to make one?

[Jakobus]

Eh the way I see it now is that if im winning so many games using half the rules ba have then using all the rules should make me win more right? Not that winning is the be all end all for me but id rather not cheat myself in a few upcoming tournaments more so when they have an actual chainsword on the line!

Yeah that would be an Awesome prize to hang on a wall. Hmmm...now that I think about it I wonder how hard it would be to make one?

 

I think it would be harder to convince the wife to allow it to be hung on the wall

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Eh the way I see it now is that if im winning so many games using half the rules ba have then using all the rules should make me win more right? Not that winning is the be all end all for me but id rather not cheat myself in a few upcoming tournaments more so when they have an actual chainsword on the line!

Yeah that would be an Awesome prize to hang on a wall. Hmmm...now that I think about it I wonder how hard it would be to make one?

 

I think it would be harder to convince the wife to allow it to be hung on the wall

I am lucky in that my wife was a Combat Engineer in the Marine Corps,and so her likes and dislikes are a bit different from the standard *grins* She is the one that showed me an amusing demotivational poster that showed a guy in an army uniform,with a M16 with an underbarrel Chainsaw. She then said "you should find a way to do that"while I was in the middle of getting My Lascannon put together...So now my Lascannons have chainsword bayonets.

 

Im pretty sure I could talk her into letting me hang a chainsword on the wall. Especially if it were one that had been made to actually work,rather then a replica like I would be able to make.

[Gridlocked]

I am lucky in that my wife was a Combat Engineer in the Marine Corps,and so her likes and dislikes are a bit different from the standard *grins* She is the one that showed me an amusing demotivational poster that showed a guy in an army uniform,with a M16 with an underbarrel Chainsaw. She then said "you should find a way to do that"while I was in the middle of getting My Lascannon put together...So now my Lascannons have chainsword bayonets.

 

Im pretty sure I could talk her into letting me hang a chainsword on the wall. Especially if it were one that had been made to actually work,rather then a replica like I would be able to make.

 

I am a (student) engineer and I approve of this post, the poster, the posters wife and everything they stand for.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

I am lucky in that my wife was a Combat Engineer in the Marine Corps,and so her likes and dislikes are a bit different from the standard *grins* She is the one that showed me an amusing demotivational poster that showed a guy in an army uniform,with a M16 with an underbarrel Chainsaw. She then said "you should find a way to do that"while I was in the middle of getting My Lascannon put together...So now my Lascannons have chainsword bayonets.

 

Im pretty sure I could talk her into letting me hang a chainsword on the wall. Especially if it were one that had been made to actually work,rather then a replica like I would be able to make.

 

I am a (student) engineer and I approve of this post, the poster, the posters wife and everything they stand for.

thanks Grid *grins* I will try posting pics of the Lascannons when I finally get a decent camera,though they will probably end up in the Space Wolf section.

[d@n]

Playing world eaters for instance as i do, under the blood angel codex makes sense, as the death company rules are for more in line with the berzerkers fluff any way. A zerker and dc marine have the same stats they both have furious charge and fearless but the dc has feel no pain (a rule that was made for zerkers originally) gets a powerfist/power weapon cheaper as you dont have to upgrade a 1 marine to a champion all for 1 point less. The rage rule fits in with the zerkers aswell as thay are all lobotomised and tanted with chaos making them far more mental then some guy who thinks he's a primarch. basically if i was going to write the rules for bezerkers thay would be the same as the death companys. World eaters in the fluff are meant to be insane killing machines and the best assault marines emperorial history but even if you assault zerkers into a dc squat the dcs have a good chance of winning the combat with the fnp and will wipe out the zerkers if thay get the charge.

 

The dc dreads with there fleet and smoke launchers also give you a decant heavy support option for opening up armour.

You simply cant build a decant world eater army using the csm codex.

 

There are several under powered codexs dark angel and csm are the obvious ones and you cant really blame someone for using a different one as long as thay dont take the mick.

[Decoy]

'ello, B.A. boys! Been a while since I've stopped by the B.A. forums, and I figured that I'd toss a tangentially-related bone into this particular thread. So, for your consideration and opinions...

 

I've been a Wolf player for Gods-know-how-long. One of the very few things that I have not done, however, is make a large-scale Blood Claw jump-pack force; a suicide dive army, if you will. The current Wolf codex is... unforgiving at best in regards to this. Were I to attempt to make such a force, I'd be able to have 20, -maybe- 25 models. We pay a premium for our mediocre/poor J.P.ers, and that is not what I had envisioned for my fledgling army.

 

What would you B.A. folk say about an All-Jumppack(slash Mech) army (avoiding decidedly B.A.-style wargear/weapons), painted and converted (lovingly, if not prettily) as Space Wolves, using the B.A. rules set? I'm looking to better represent a specific Wolf Lord's style of attack/composition, and the B.A. dex offers the perfect opportunity. I would, of course, be avoiding things such as DC, special characters, Baals, et cetera, in lieu of more generic squads and vehicles that the Wolves already have access to. I'm still torn on Descent of Angels, as it fits the Lord's style, but I'm leaning away from doing so just so I'm not ":cuss".

 

I figured I'd post and await a reply here, simply because this topic was already up, and I'd rather not clutter the forum itself with new thread, when this topic here works just fine. Thank ye kindly for any replies. :devil:

[JamesI]

Decoy, have fun with it. I would use DoA, why not. You've got the rule, might as well do it.

[Looted Monolith]

I rooted for equivalant wargear rules for the forgoten/DA, BA, SW's when the original space marine's codex came out now that ours is out I have no problem with Bloody ultra marines, Bloody wolvs, and I also agree that there in no better way to run fluffy Zerkers than Death Company.

 

I would also Look into Sanguinary gaurd Decoy, they will make great wolf gaurd to your wolf lord, If you think of them from a wargear/rules aproch, 2+armor MC power weapons, +your signuture jump pack is included.

 

Plus a saunguinary priest is a wolf priest without phykic powers, every one loves Feel no pain.

 

And whoever said this style of play is bad for bussnius/store owners, is insane, a player must buy material to improve his existing army in addition to buying multiple codexs, that he would not of already had to buy.

 

Plus you dont have that nasty taste in your mouth that GW Hit it and quit it with your codex.

[d@n]

Well after a night of thinking on this matter I think my DIY chapter will become a ba successor chapter instead. Solves arguments and frankly I use the BA codex so they should be a successor really.

 

 

now... time to make some priests I guess >.<

 

SUCCESSS!!!!!!1!!11!

 

Sorry I'm just glad that one of these "Counts as BA" armies is now a successor. My problem is where I play there used to be 2 BA players my mate and back when I could use Chapter approved me and my old FT but now out of roughly 30 people there are hmm roughly 18-19 BA armies now ranging from Blood ultras Blood chaos Blood Templar Blood everything, About the only ones that have'nt jumped are the wolves,IG and the Xeno armies.

Ok then my world eater army is now a successor army cold errrrrrr the world eaters.

[SamaNagol]

All anyone asks is that your army is wysiwyg. That's all. If you have a written army list and your models are wysiwyg then there is absolutely no problem at all.

 

Ultramarines Assault Company using the Blood Angels codex? Fine.

 

Khorne Marines using the Space Wolf Dex and Logan? No problems here.

[shatter]

C:BA 81 last paragraph.

 

"- just make sure your opponent is aware of what everything counts as before the beginning of the game to prevent confusion during the battle."

 

It's up to the player to make sure his opponent knows what's what. If he doesn't, it can be argued as a game-breaker.

[gabrionus1]

Certain minis counting as a another from a not so obvious army, or using a bunch of different codexes, is all fine and good for certain people.

 

However I'm not so sure its all that fair to the opponent. I haven't played WH40k for years now and I eagerly await finishing up my ba force to the point I feel comfortable fielding them..

But I did play at local gw stores and hobby stores a few years back (40k and whfb). Half the fun was learning the forces of the other guys, learning what they brought to the table so to speak and being creative in your efforts to defeat one another.

As someone who knows WHFB backwards and forwards...but is relatively new to 40k...I know that I would find this extremely annoying.

[SamaNagol]

WYSIWYG means that the models have the exact equipment that is listed in their entry. There is no confusion as to what is what.

 

As I said, as long as they have a clearly written army list and all the models are wysiwyg then there is absolutely no issue working out what is what

[gabrionus1]

@SamaNagol

whoopsy! my mistake on that one (i corrected my post) I was refering to codex swapping not wysiwyg. Should have corrected my post before posting it....sorry

 

 

also my point is not whether its legal or functional. It is obvious that "codex hopping" is a common occurance. My point is simply that it could be rather rough on the opponents...especially new guys like me who need all the help we can get =)

[SamaNagol]

If people are playing 'new guys like you' and focussing on winning, rather than walking you through the game and having fun, then using different army lists for their models is the least of their problems.

[Judaz]

I really don't get it, if someone is using the BA codex and playing Night Lords or something else, why should they keep away from the special stuff like Baals and Furiosos? The codex is written to include all the different units, no unit should be left out because 'it's BA unique'. If the player wants a pred and uses the BA codex, then it's a fast tank. If he wants a priest then he gets a priests.

Oh no, it's called a sanguinary priest and no other chapter has sanguinuis as a primarch, then let him call it 'extraordinary healer' or whatever. The names in the codex are names. The rules are rules. They don't have to be tied together...