I need an age reference...

[Grimtooth]

I need to age references;

 

1. At what age is the consensus that Fenrisians do the axe handle test with a child?

 

2. At what age is the consensus that Fenrisians fight and are selected by Wolf Priests to possibly become Space Wolves?

 

I have no idea what the age is for the axe handle test of "child-might". I can only glean from the Ragnar series that he might be in his teens, not early, but probably middle teens.

 

Need some help on or just a consensus for some stuff I am writing.

[lothbrok]

im not really sure about the axe thing but i think they are generally about 13-18 when they are chosen but the ragnar books kind of hint that a fenersian year is much longer so they would be about 7/8-9/10 or somewhere in that region by fenersian reckoning.

[Grimtooth]

Not to sure about being that young when selected since some of the fights of Ragnar before he was selected seem way to harsh for a 9/10yr old.

 

Just looking from current society, a child is said to be responsible for his own actions at 7yrs old. So maybe say that the axe handle test is done on a child around 5-7yrs old.

 

Now looking back on 300 and the Spartan culture, it is said the kids were taken around 7yrs old to begin training. With the standing fluff of the Ragnar series, we know that Ragnar is not 7yrs old when he goes on the trip and fights the sea monster and we know he is not 7yrs old when he is taken by the wolf priest.

 

I am thinking that axe handle test around 7yrs old, as Spartan culture for training, but then probably taken 13yrs-16yrs old by the wolf priests.

[JaegerAD]

1. the axe test, short after birth. If the child not grab it, it will end on the ocean.

2. as all SM the recruits should not be older than 12

[hendrik]

the axe test is as fast as this greybeard remembers right after the baby gets born

about when a candidate gets recruited, most candidates their story seem to resemble a 15-16 or older guy but this would be somewhat late to get all the implants according to GW

[ChapniK]

#1: As most people have been saying its shortly after birth, that the male child is presented an axe. Its his first toy.

#2: While generally the age for space marine recruitment is in the 12-15 age range. Space wolves can recruit older candidates, 18-19 being the limit I believe. This is due apparently to a mutation in our gene-seed.

[hendrik]

chapnik, on what do you base this later? it's the first time i've heard this, apart from some men being transformed into marines when they were all grown up(i believe the dark angels had some and we to, bulveye and his axemen comes to mind but i'm not sure)

[Black2Jack1]

Not sure if we conisider this fluff but Thaddeus from the blood ravens was taken from his hive world after he had been a criminal for sometime. Putting him at around 20?

[ChapniK]

chapnik, on what do you base this later? it's the first time i've heard this, apart from some men being transformed into marines when they were all grown up(i believe the dark angels had some and we to, bulveye and his axemen comes to mind but i'm not sure)

 

Its from interpretation of the William king novels, Ragnar's around 18 if I remember right

[Stormshrug]

chapnik, on what do you base this later? it's the first time i've heard this, apart from some men being transformed into marines when they were all grown up(i believe the dark angels had some and we to, bulveye and his axemen comes to mind but i'm not sure)

 

Well, some of Ragnar's recorded... activities... with the opposite sex immediately prior to joining the Space Wolves don't exactly behoove a twelve-year-old.

 

And there is NO way that Lukas the Trickster was 12 when he joined the Space Wolves.

 

-Stormshrug

[JaegerAD]

Don´t mix GW fluff with the BL novel there are some diffrences.

Ragnars adventures with "Ana" ,and that the Index Astartes says, aspirants should in the age around 12.

 

And there is NO way that Lukas the Trickster was 12 when he joined the Space Wolves.

 

-Stormshrug

 

Why not ?

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Don´t mix GW fluff with the BL novel there are some diffrences.

Ragnars adventures with "Ana" ,and that the Index Astartes says, aspirants should in the age around 12.

 

And there is NO way that Lukas the Trickster was 12 when he joined the Space Wolves.

 

-Stormshrug

 

Why not ?

Ok...The handle of the Axe is presented to male and female both. It is done as soon as they are removed from their Birth Caul,basically...within 5 minutes of birth. They do it that way because ANYONE that doesn't have the will to fight and survive,is considered a waste of time and discarded. As far as when the Aspirants can be chosen,it is varied...there isn't a uniform age. Some are chosen in their first battle...others go many many years of fighting before they are chosen. Arjac for instance was chosen as a full grown man if I remember correctly,as he was allready an accomplished Blacksmith. Matter of fact I think he became an Iron Priest first,then when the kraken spawn thing happened,he impressed Logan to the point where he made him Wolf Guard and his Champion all at once. Njal was chosen...I think by the age of 15 if I remember his story. It wasn't his first battle but he had not been in many of them. Ragnar was chosen young.

 

Generally Aspirants will be chosen in the "teen" years by current standards. Also you have to think that in a world like that,people would grow fast and live hard. It is entirely likely that a warrior would have his first fight to the death via raid or defense of a raid by the time he was 8. Especially when you consider that these people have a harsher training program then even the Spartan did...because Greece wasn't actively trying to kill them on a constant basis. The Spartan culture is probably a good starting point though. Many of the other warrior cultures had the young taking part in raids as early as 8-10. A young Viking boy could end up going to sea by the age of 10. Apache and Cherokee braves would steal horses from rival tribes at age 10 as part of the proof they are a man. French and English Knights would become pages and start training at age 8,and by the age of 13 were considered full fledged men,and able to fight in 50 lbs of plate armor for a day straight without stopping. Though they would fall exhausted at nightfall but would be back up and be ready to fight again the next day. Its only modern cultures that have made children grow up slowly.

[Stormshrug]

Don´t mix GW fluff with the BL novel there are some diffrences.

Ragnars adventures with "Ana" ,and that the Index Astartes says, aspirants should in the age around 12.

 

And there is NO way that Lukas the Trickster was 12 when he joined the Space Wolves.

 

-Stormshrug

 

Why not ?

 

 

Uh, have you *read* the fluff on that guy? He could be lying, but it's much funnier if he isn't.

 

 

To Requiem:

 

Most of what you said is true. I still don't think William King intended to write a sex scene between preteens.

 

People apply modern values to fantasy all the time. They don't apply *all* modern values, of course, but to empathize with characters in a work of fiction, their moralities must at least be somewhere in the same neighborhood as our own.

 

-Stormshrug

[JaegerAD]

Uh, have you *read* the fluff on that guy? He could be lying, but it's much funnier if he isn't.

 

-Stormshrug

 

sure i read it, but i dont see the point , why he cant be 12, 13 or even 14 when he becomes an aspirant ...

[Stormshrug]

Uh, have you *read* the fluff on that guy? He could be lying, but it's much funnier if he isn't.

 

-Stormshrug

 

sure i read it, but i dont see the point , why he cant be 12, 13 or even 14 when he becomes an aspirant ...

 

Ahem:

 

"A near legendary figure amongst Fenris' womenfolk, Lukas was once famous for sharing a dozen beds in a single night. But since his elevation to the ranks of the Space Wolves, it is Lukas' contributions to the chapter's war efforts that have earned him lasting respect amongst his fellow Blood Claws."

 

Hence, we have a timeline.

 

Lukas the Trickster

 

1. Became a "legendery figure amongst Fenris' womenfolk."

 

2. Was "elevat[ed] to the ranks of the Space Wolves," where he "contribut[ed]" to "war efforts."

 

3. Shenanigans including crank calls to Ork warbosses with no caller-ID and poisoned mead.

 

 

Item one precedes his "elevation."

 

-Stormshrug

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Uh, have you *read* the fluff on that guy? He could be lying, but it's much funnier if he isn't.

 

-Stormshrug

 

sure i read it, but i dont see the point , why he cant be 12, 13 or even 14 when he becomes an aspirant ...

 

Ahem:

 

"A near legendary figure amongst Fenris' womenfolk, Lukas was once famous for sharing a dozen beds in a single night. But since his elevation to the ranks of the Space Wolves, it is Lukas' contributions to the chapter's war efforts that have earned him lasting respect amongst his fellow Blood Claws."

 

Hence, we have a timeline.

 

Lukas the Trickster

 

1. Became a "legendery figure amongst Fenris' womenfolk."

 

2. Was "elevat[ed] to the ranks of the Space Wolves," where he "contribut[ed]" to "war efforts."

 

3. Shenanigans including crank calls to Ork warbosses with no caller-ID and poisoned mead.

 

 

Item one precedes his "elevation."

 

-Stormshrug

Some f us start earlier then others. I could tell you stories but you probably wouldn't believe them lol.

[JaegerAD]

Ahem:

 

"A near legendary figure amongst Fenris' womenfolk, Lukas was once famous for sharing a dozen beds in a single night. But since his elevation to the ranks of the Space Wolves, it is Lukas' contributions to the chapter's war efforts that have earned him lasting respect amongst his fellow Blood Claws."

 

Hence, we have a timeline.

 

Lukas the Trickster

 

1. Became a "legendery figure amongst Fenris' womenfolk."

2. Was "elevat[ed] to the ranks of the Space Wolves," where he "contribut[ed]" to "war efforts."

3. Shenanigans including crank calls to Ork warbosses with no caller-ID and poisoned mead.

Item one precedes his "elevation."

-Stormshrug

 

sure , but theres no clue about his age, and as said: some start earlier than other.

 

see , i dont say you`r wrong, i only say you havo no clear fluff that said , Lukas becomes a space wolve at the age of 10/14/17/33 or even 128.

 

@ requiem, memories are more important than all the www has to belive your stories ;)

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Ahem:

 

"A near legendary figure amongst Fenris' womenfolk, Lukas was once famous for sharing a dozen beds in a single night. But since his elevation to the ranks of the Space Wolves, it is Lukas' contributions to the chapter's war efforts that have earned him lasting respect amongst his fellow Blood Claws."

 

Hence, we have a timeline.

 

Lukas the Trickster

 

1. Became a "legendery figure amongst Fenris' womenfolk."

2. Was "elevat[ed] to the ranks of the Space Wolves," where he "contribut[ed]" to "war efforts."

3. Shenanigans including crank calls to Ork warbosses with no caller-ID and poisoned mead.

Item one precedes his "elevation."

-Stormshrug

 

sure , but theres no clue about his age, and as said: some start earlier than other.

 

see , i dont say you`r wrong, i only say you havo no clear fluff that said , Lukas becomes a space wolve at the age of 10/14/17/33 or even 128.

 

@ requiem, memories are more important than all the www has to belive your stories ;)

*chuckles* true...but every now and then its distressing to realize how distant those memories seem. Damn...at this rate I am going to start getting called Longtooth in no time...

[Stormshrug]

sure , but theres no clue about his age, and as said: some start earlier than other.

 

see , i dont say you`r wrong, i only say you havo no clear fluff that said , Lukas becomes a space wolve at the age of 10/14/17/33 or even 128.

 

@ requiem, memories are more important than all the www has to belive your stories :)

 

Of course there's a clue about his age. That's exactly what I posted. A clue.

 

No, it isn't an exact number, and sure, people get started at different ages, but I think it's still pretty "clear" that Lukas is not supposed to have become "a near legendary figure amongst Fenris' womenfolk" by age 12 (Terran years - we'll leave aside different year lengths for the moment). Even without specific details, it's very strong evidence that, in fact, Aspirants can be older than 12.

 

-Stormshrug

[JaegerAD]

Even without specific details, it's very strong evidence that, in fact, Aspirants can be older than 12.

 

-Stormshrug

 

thats something i dont contradictory, i said asprant should not be older than 12 yo, not that te aspirants cant be older

[hmk17]

1. Axe Test - Shortly after birth / Infancy

 

2. Space Wolves differ from other Chapters in the selection of their recruits. Though, with strict Codex Astartes chapters the age range will be very young in accepting recruits they will not see active duty as a scout until years later.

 

The Choosers of the Slain (Wolf Priests) are called that for a good reason. Their primary method of selecting recruits is to travel around Fenris and watching over the territorial battles between the natives. Those that prove themselves and fit within the parameters for the modifications will be given medial attention and "resurrected". Other means of selection can be found through having killed dangerous beasts, skill at the forge, or sensed psychic talent. The training regiment, before modification, weeds out the physically and mentally weak. Choosers make their own call on who gets picked, but it stands to reason (14- late twenties) is probably their target. Though, they may be willing to drift a little older as many of the 13th Co. were well over 30 when they underwent the modifications.

 

The Ultramarines use training facilities/schools to entice those that wish to become Space Marines, but those also weed out the unsuitable through trials, discipline and medical tests. The target age range is young adolescence (12-14). Training lasts years so suitable applicants will be older than when inducted.

 

The Crimson Fists used to collect age appropriate children from more feral parts of Rynn's World and subject them through trials until the elite were left. The Elite were then medically processed to determine suitability for modification before core training. The Dark Angels do similar programs, but through a range of Feral Worlds. Again, (12-17)

 

The Black Templars use a variety of means to find recruits, but will typically use gladiatorial combat to determine those suitable to receive indoctrination and modification. (14 -late twenties)

[Stormshrug]

Even without specific details, it's very strong evidence that, in fact, Aspirants can be older than 12.

 

-Stormshrug

 

thats something i dont contradictory, i said asprant should not be older than 12 yo, not that te aspirants cant be older

 

Fair enough.

 

We've always seen the Codex Astartes as more of a set of "guidelines" than actual rules 'round these parts, I suppose.

 

-Stormshrug

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Even without specific details, it's very strong evidence that, in fact, Aspirants can be older than 12.

 

-Stormshrug

 

thats something i dont contradictory, i said asprant should not be older than 12 yo, not that te aspirants cant be older

 

Fair enough.

 

We've always seen the Codex Astartes as more of a set of "guidelines" than actual rules 'round these parts, I suppose.

 

-Stormshrug

As with everything else about the Chapter...we Wolves have our own way of doing things. And yes,for the record I agree that Lukas was probably late teens at the earliest before becoming a Marine. And I haven't read any of the Space Wolves books unfortunately so I had no idea about King writing in a sex scene for Ragnar so I would also agree that his image of Ragnar was not preteen either lol.

 

More then anything I was trying to point out that as far as fighting goes,the Fenrisian people start out from a very very early age.

[Stormshrug]

And I haven't read any of the Space Wolves books unfortunately so I had no idea about King writing in a sex scene for Ragnar so I would also agree that his image of Ragnar was not preteen either lol.

 

More then anything I was trying to point out that as far as fighting goes,the Fenrisian people start out from a very very early age.

 

It's off-screen and tastefully handled, but it's definitely there. Early on in the first book.

 

-Stormshrug

[Requiem of the Wolf]

And I haven't read any of the Space Wolves books unfortunately so I had no idea about King writing in a sex scene for Ragnar so I would also agree that his image of Ragnar was not preteen either lol.

 

More then anything I was trying to point out that as far as fighting goes,the Fenrisian people start out from a very very early age.

 

It's off-screen and tastefully handled, but it's definitely there. Early on in the first book.

 

-Stormshrug

allways a plus lol.