Extra Armor: Is it worth it?

[vikingwolves]

I am have finally assembled my 1500 point army and am fine tweaking till I am satisfied with it. One thing that I am pondering is this: Is Extra Armor worth the 15 points on a Rhino with a kitted out GH squad? Any veteran advice would be great.

[Grey Mage]

Not normally. If your fighting alot of tau it is, otherwise I only put it on a Dreadnaught.

 

Why? Because the main strength of a Rhino is that its cheap. The GHs dont need it... they can get out and walk just as easily.

[vikingwolves]

Thanks Gray Mage. I was leaning in the at direction. By dropping it on my rhinos, i do free up a lot of points for more firepower.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

Not normally. If your fighting alot of tau it is, otherwise I only put it on a Dreadnaught.

 

Why? Because the main strength of a Rhino is that its cheap. The GHs dont need it... they can get out and walk just as easily.

 

This is said in the context of being a Templar and our XA is a third of the price, but remember that we pay 58 for a Rhino with XA and smoke....

 

For an assault squad (which is what a Crusader squad is, really) being able to ignore a damage result and still cover 12" is so worth it, it is crazy to not take it.

However, I have to pay so much for a Rhino in the first place that I might as well make it useful for only a little more.

Grey Hunters are not an Assault squad (though they can be) and are less reliant on XA getting them anywhere, to have a good effect on the game.

If you do use your Grey Hunters for a more Assault role, then buy XA. If you use them more as Tacticals, you can get away with not bringing it. I would still recommend it though.

Nothing like being able to flee from a Monstrous Creature, tank shocking some obnoxious unit, using the newly positioned Rhino to block or permit movement and TLOS, or getting to an objective in the safety of your trusty steed. :blink:

[JamesI]

I'm not a wolf player, but even with the fast vehicles of the Blood Angels I don't think Extra armor is worth the cost. Only applies 1/6 of the time you get glanced or penned.

 

Only time I use Extra Armor is on a Dreadnought I want in close combat or a Storm Raven.

[Freman Bloodglaive]

Certainly not in smaller games. In larger games... it depends.

 

However I don't bother.

[hmk17]

Extra Armor isn't worth it for rhinos, razorbacks, predators, vindicators, and whirlwinds.

 

If you take a Landraider or Dreadnought and have some spare points, it is quite worthwhile.

[Xeenos]

Eh, i always saw it as a must have. If your Rhino gets stuck and it breaks up your unites it can mean the difference.. picture a LR and 2 Rhinos moving to your foe, he stops a rhino.. now only 2/3 of your force will get there.. he stops two.. now only 1/3.. i dont know, ive not tested it, ill likly try without so i can buy more toys.

[pucadubh]

I agree with Xeenos ... why did you take the big GH squad and Rhino in the first place as opposed to a smaller squad and a Razorback?

 

Sorry Marshall Wilhelm but as a BT player too I have to say I love assaulting with GHs in a Rhino, 12" move (even with minor glancing hits) - disembark - rapid fire with bolters and counterattack when the depleted squad charges on their turn (because if they don't ...) , GHs work great in assault but you need to be a bit more tactical and less direct than with BTs.

 

Not looking for an argument on the forum and certainly no offence is intended to battle brothers but IMO you need to think why you picked a unit and kitted it out and then give it every advantage to fulfill it's role. My Rhinos have EA because the Rhino guys need to get in your face without worrying about templates, lash or minor glancing hits to the transport :devil:

[Marshal Wilhelm]

I agree with Xeenos ... why did you take the big GH squad and Rhino in the first place as opposed to a smaller squad and a Razorback?

 

Sorry Marshall Wilhelm but as a BT player too I have to say I love assaulting with GHs in a Rhino, 12" move (even with minor glancing hits) - disembark - rapid fire with bolters and counterattack when the depleted squad charges on their turn (because if they don't ...) , GHs work great in assault but you need to be a bit more tactical and less direct than with BTs.

 

Not looking for an argument on the forum and certainly no offence is intended to battle brothers but IMO you need to think why you picked a unit and kitted it out and then give it every advantage to fulfill it's role. My Rhinos have EA because the Rhino guys need to get in your face without worrying about templates, lash or minor glancing hits to the transport :angry:

 

Sorry to come across trollish, but did Xeenos say anything about Razorbacks?

 

I am not following what you meant by the comment directed at me, are you saying you do or don't want XA for GH and if so (whichever reason) why?

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

i wouldnt bother fielding a Rhino without extra armor. the rhino has one role, and that is to move my Grey Hunters. If it cannot do that then it is useless.

 

WLK

[Stormshrug]

I like it in theory, but it's always the first thing I cut from a list. Rhinos just get straight-up blown off the board too often (especially now that Smoke Launchers don't make all hits glancing) for it to come into play much. If it cost 5 points, it'd be an obvious buy, but at the cost of another Grey Hunter, it's kind of a dubious purchase.

 

-Stormshrug

[Valerian]

i wouldnt bother fielding a Rhino without extra armor. the rhino has one role, and that is to move my Grey Hunters. If it cannot do that then it is useless.

 

WLK

 

But for some folks it has another role, which is just to keep small arms fire off of your regular troops until it is time to get out. I'm of a same mind as Grey Mage on this one. I wouldn't bother with it on a Rhino considering that it is almost half of the Rhino's points cost alone. If a Rhino gets Stunned, then I can choose to wait it out until next turn, or get out and walk (maybe even Run). For a Land Raider that really needs to deliver an assault unit somewhere, then sure - definitely worth it.

 

But, to each their own, of course.

 

Valerian

[pucadubh]

Sorry to come across trollish, but did Xeenos say anything about Razorbacks?

 

Mea culpa, I was trying to say too much without writing a tome.

 

I was agreeing with him saying you should take XA on the Rhinos. My reasoning being as their role is clearly to get the GHs into the centre of the action as soon as possible otherwise the GH squad would look different.

 

I am not following what you meant by the comment directed at me, are you saying you do or don't want XA for GH and if so (whichever reason) why?

 

Definitely want XA as I believe that GHs are potent assault troops if you kit them out correctly and use some tactics.

I too play BTs and I know they excel in assault but the point I was making is that GHs do too so for both armies XA is important to get the transports across the field to deliver the pain.