A few questions from a girl gamer

[Gen. Confusion]

The green line. Outflanking units can come on into the whole side of the board edge.

 

Ninjid by DV8. :sweat:

[Innocentz]

Thanks molsonbeagle and DV8!

You're all helping a lot :devil:

Next up, I need some pointers, right now I'm gonna look for how to make craters for terrain but what I really need help with is finding a great looking female space-marine/sexy ish miniature to make my first ever conversion :D

Basically what I'm planning is this below:

The dread I can manage I think it's just finding an appropriate model either sitting down or maybe one that could be holding some chains that attach to the sarcophagus.

Fluff be damned I want my girly Commander! <3

[DV8]

Dark Eldar Prisoners

 

Just sculpt armor on top and you're good to go.

 

 

DV8

[Grey Mage]

Lol, well some of the Seraphim models have a position thats easily bent into 'sitting' particularly on the sloped shoulder of a dreadnaught... and they have SM style equipment.

 

Ive got a Grey unit of Valkyries made from them, and they do pretty well via the allies system too.

[DV8]

The problem I think is that the tabards become ultra problematic when you start bending legs, as it'll look ultra-awkward and become hard to position.

 

 

DV8

[Grimtooth]

Is that your concept artwork? Anymore posted somewhere?

[Grey Mage]

The sister superiors arent bad though.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Thanks molsonbeagle and DV8!

You're all helping a lot :)

Next up, I need some pointers, right now I'm gonna look for how to make craters for terrain but what I really need help with is finding a great looking female space-marine/sexy ish miniature to make my first ever conversion :)

Basically what I'm planning is this below:

The dread I can manage I think it's just finding an appropriate model either sitting down or maybe one that could be holding some chains that attach to the sarcophagus.

Fluff be damned I want my girly Commander! <3

On the one hand,the Fluff focused part of me wants to scream in pain and terror at the idea. But then again I have never liked the fact that only men could become Space Marines anyways, and Russ knows that if any women would end up as Space Marines they would definitely be ones born on Fenris. The rest of me is giggling maniacly about the idea of riding a Dreadnaught into battle. I think it would be a little bit...disrespectful,even for a Wolf Lord though. Honestly I think you should put the commander on a Thunderwolf instead.

If you stick with the Dreadnaught Idea,honestly I would check reaper mini's for a good plate armor wearing female fig,and use the upper half of it,while using Green stuff to model the legs in the pose you wanted. Some tips for Greenstuffing limbs,is buy a Fantasy skeleton body. Cut at the joints to make it so you can pose it in the position you want. Then you put a first layer of Green Stuff to form the muscle layer. Wait 24 hours for it to cure,and then do a second Layer to form the Armor in the style you want. I would recommend taking a look at the Sisters of Battle Codex to get a feel for what the Power armor should look like on a female form if you need any inspiration.

With Greenstuff you could also take a Seraphim,cut it at the waist and knees,use the GS to fill in the gaps as you pose it. If you went with that option you could file or cut down the tabard to get it out of the way and then GS a replacement. Alternately you 'can' use hot water and firm pressure to SLOWLY mold the plastic a bit. If you do that though I would recommend having a couple practice pieces.

Painting I am not so good at,But when it comes to modelling and Greenstuffing I am a maniac. Now,Couple of things to bear in mind about Space Wolves. They will follow a strong leader. So regardless of Gender,you are going to have to present your Wolf Lord as a Bad Ass. So having the combo of the Dreadnaught and the Wolflord as a Bjorn 'counts as' I think would work out fairly well. You will also have to factor in a option for the arm she is sitting on to be destroyed,so perhaps having it removable at the elbow rather then the shoulder would work well. Alternately have her perched on the Sarcophagus instead of the shoulder. That would make it easier to use a Seraphim Superior model as well. One thing I cannot stress enough however,even on women,Power armor is a full body suit. You can make it look awesome and feminine still,but bare skin equals dead soldier. They did a wonderful job on the Sisters of Battle armor to fulfill both requirements and that is why I keep recommending it. This last point is of course personal preference,but will do wonders.

Edit:

Ok all the available Sisters of Battle troops are Metal,so unless you have a Dremel and other tools for modding the metal,you would probably have an easier time going the Green stuff route. And something to remember about it...It is actually really easy to use if you are patient. You can make it do almost anything your imagination can conjure,and if that is your artwork then you are more then imaginative enough. For chains you can go to a bit seller off ebay and buy the chains off a Chaos vehicle. Same with skeleton body parts. If you want a exposed female face,and after this you would have no reason not to,the head from a Warhammer fantasy Dark elf witch hunter would work very well. In fact,depending on the poses available,you could take one of those as a base and GS on a layer of armor. You can use normal Space Marine arms,unless you are dead set on having the cloth arms,which...I really recommend against just from a realism point of view. You could also go the route of the Eldar prisoner bits allready shown. Either way would work.

[plaguewolf]

A perfect name for a girly SW commander would be Hel.

Why? I hear someone ask.

 

Becuse Hel is Lokes daughter and sister to the fenris wolf in the norse mythology, and she is the ruler of the underworld, Nifelheim.

Nifelheim is the place were the dead come if they can't enter Valhalla.

 

Im not sure but i think the english word hell comes from Hel.

 

And another cool thing to know(for me anyway=) is that the swedish word for hell is Helvete and in Old norse Helvete means Hels punishment.

 

And that was my tought for the day.

You must excuse my english, have a hell of a hangover and im from sweden.

 

And welcome to the fang :D

[Requiem of the Wolf]

A perfect name for a girly SW commander would be Hel.

Why? I hear someone ask.

 

Becuse Hel is Lokes daughter and sister to the fenris wolf in the norse mythology, and she is the ruler of the underworld, Nifelheim.

Nifelheim is the place were the dead come if they can't enter Valhalla.

 

Im not sure but i think the english word hell comes from Hel.

 

And another cool thing to know(for me anyway=) is that the swedish word for hell is Helvete and in Old norse Helvete means Hels punishment.

 

And that was my tought for the day.

You must excuse my english, have a hell of a hangover and im from sweden.

 

And welcome to the fang :D

Plaguewolf,I direct you to the Link in my sig,I think you will find the stories amusing.

[Spacefrisian]

On the one hand,the Fluff focused part of me wants to scream in pain and terror at the idea. But then again I have never liked the fact that only men could become Space Marines anyways, and Russ knows that if any women would end up as Space Marines they would definitely be ones born on Fenris. The rest of me is giggling maniacly about the idea of riding a Dreadnaught into battle. I think it would be a little bit...disrespectful,even for a Wolf Lord though. Honestly I think you should put the commander on a Thunderwolf instead.

 

 

Its hard to do but not impossible. Just like some peeps tend to say Tau cannot be psykers though fluff states that they have a tiny pressence in the warp so they can have some psychic abbiliites (if they survive long enough to develop them of course)

[Innocentz]

Thanks all for the suggestions!

 

Fluff wise, I think you can do pretty much whatever you want and have it justifiable in some way or another, like Ragnor Blackmanes "Incredible Reflexes".

Tau: OK I'm shooting all my broadsides at you, YES all hit!

Ragnar: Sorry I been on the coffee today, no kill for you!

Tau: Ok, here comes my Railgun!

Ragnar: Woohoo not today sailor!

 

etc etc! :)

 

I like the Hel name, Mistress Hel!

 

So beloved by the emperor, her 3+ save is counted as an armour save, even though it represents her sheer luck, as the Emperor protects!!!

[alphalupine]

Thanks molsonbeagle and DV8!

You're all helping a lot :P

Next up, I need some pointers, right now I'm gonna look for how to make craters for terrain but what I really need help with is finding a great looking female space-marine/sexy ish miniature to make my first ever conversion :D

Basically what I'm planning is this below:

The dread I can manage I think it's just finding an appropriate model either sitting down or maybe one that could be holding some chains that attach to the sarcophagus.

Fluff be damned I want my girly Commander! <3

You don't have to use 40K only. There are some decent female models in fantasy you might be able to convert up a nice Valkyrie out of.

Examples:

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m470381_99110212075_DarkElfWitch5Main_873x627.jpg

or

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1440310_99060212080_ColHagQueenMain_873x627.jpg

or even this!

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1820081_99060212088_DESorceressColdOneMain_873x627.jpg

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Thanks all for the suggestions!

 

Fluff wise, I think you can do pretty much whatever you want and have it justifiable in some way or another, like Ragnor Blackmanes "Incredible Reflexes".

Tau: OK I'm shooting all my broadsides at you, YES all hit!

Ragnar: Sorry I been on the coffee today, no kill for you!

Tau: Ok, here comes my Railgun!

Ragnar: Woohoo not today sailor!

 

etc etc! :)

 

I like the Hel name, Mistress Hel!

 

So beloved by the emperor, her 3+ save is counted as an armour save, even though it represents her sheer luck, as the Emperor protects!!!

*chuckles* Well,I had originally planned on Hel eventually falling in battle. But since you are planning on using that as your Wolf Lord,I suppose I will just have to have Hel Go on and raise a Company. And yes,you can do alot with the fluff and make it justifiable,just have to be creative.

 

Innocentz if you want to know what Im talking about,click the link on the bottom of my sig to lead to some stories I have posted here.

[Decoy]

I'm refraining from normal carousing and general boisterous ass-kickery, if only because I'm in the presence of a lady. That said...

 

Welcome to the Fang. The fluff part of me, as said, rages against your concept, but as a general rule, play and sculpt to have fun. That's what's important. While the fluff-part of me does howl and scream in pain and writhing agony, I have to say, I'm moderately intrigued. The one part of being a Wolf that's understated by a long shot is our fondness for women (As evident by the story in our current codex of one of our Lost companies making a pass at an alien female), and if any woman were to become a Space Marine, it'd be a Fenrisian Woman.

 

As it's been shown, Dark Elves are a prime example of a fine choice of female miniatures (I am particularly fond of the one standing sideways, hip cocked, with one sword over her head and a dagger in her off hand.) I've actually been thinking of a few Valkyries of my own to supplement my 13th Company force, so you're not alone in that regard.

[Mordekiem]

On the one hand,the Fluff focused part of me wants to scream in pain and terror at the idea. But then again I have never liked the fact that only men could become Space Marines anyways, and Russ knows that if any women would end up as Space Marines they would definitely be ones born on Fenris. The rest of me is giggling maniacly about the idea of riding a Dreadnaught into battle. I think it would be a little bit...disrespectful,even for a Wolf Lord though. Honestly I think you should put the commander on a Thunderwolf instead.

 

I'd take the women of Fenris over most other Marine chapters. :lol: Particularly the smurfs.

[Prot]

Maybe I'm just too old.... but a semi-naked woman riding Bjorn into battle.... a man who walked amongst Russ. Yeesh... I just don't know. It sounds far more 'Dark Eldar-ish' than Wolfy. But in the end it's your army, and that is the beauty of this game. I've seen everything from Smurf Ultramarines, to Elvis Noise Marines in my time with 40K.

 

<Off topic alert- Mord, you couldn't handle a Fenrisian space woman, and you know it..... You'd be begging for something soft from Ultramar in under 5 seconds. :P >

[Arcadius]

Less focus on gender, although I suspect it'll get you alot more posts and assists. Which is a bit of a shame. Not you getting the help, mind you. Just the catalyst for it.

 

Riding a dreadnought into battle... I just can't picture the Dread not reaching up and throwing the would-be rider off. These aren't new recruits - these are ancient, venerable warriors who may have seen Russ in the flesh, and fought by his side. Their lives are prolonged to keep the Wolves' history and legends alive, to let them continue serving on even in death. You don't just rip the seat out of the Thunderhawk and weld it on top of their sarcophagus. To drape a woman over them is to defeat the sterility and purity of their purpose, in my humble opinion.

 

I have nothing against female space marines, though let's not stray onto that topic. A quick search will show that it leads nowhere, brings up divisiveness, and ultimately comes down to DO what YOU want to do with YOUR army. I have quite a few helmeted skyclaws that I suspect are Valkyrie underneath who've proven themselves, but I've never cared to actually go through and model them. They'd be gene-bulked and bred, altered superhumans whose every purpose has been re-crafted by tech adepts to make them the ultimate strike-soldier. There'd be very little difference, in my opinion, at the end of the day between men and women. I'm not saying it's an army of eunuchs, mind you. Just saying that once you start manipulating the human body for specific purposes, why would you have a leggy and svelte lass when you're ultimate goal is a roaring, menacing destroyer?

 

Take it as you like - it's your army, and most importantly your time and money. As long as you enjoy it, who cares what some grumbley wolves think.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Less focus on gender, although I suspect it'll get you alot more posts and assists. Which is a bit of a shame. Not you getting the help, mind you. Just the catalyst for it.

 

Riding a dreadnought into battle... I just can't picture the Dread not reaching up and throwing the would-be rider off. These aren't new recruits - these are ancient, venerable warriors who may have seen Russ in the flesh, and fought by his side. Their lives are prolonged to keep the Wolves' history and legends alive, to let them continue serving on even in death. You don't just rip the seat out of the Thunderhawk and weld it on top of their sarcophagus. To drape a woman over them is to defeat the sterility and purity of their purpose, in my humble opinion.

 

I have nothing against female space marines, though let's not stray onto that topic. A quick search will show that it leads nowhere, brings up divisiveness, and ultimately comes down to DO what YOU want to do with YOUR army. I have quite a few helmeted skyclaws that I suspect are Valkyrie underneath who've proven themselves, but I've never cared to actually go through and model them. They'd be gene-bulked and bred, altered superhumans whose every purpose has been re-crafted by tech adepts to make them the ultimate strike-soldier. There'd be very little difference, in my opinion, at the end of the day between men and women. I'm not saying it's an army of eunuchs, mind you. Just saying that once you start manipulating the human body for specific purposes, why would you have a leggy and svelte lass when you're ultimate goal is a roaring, menacing destroyer?

 

Take it as you like - it's your army, and most importantly your time and money. As long as you enjoy it, who cares what some grumbley wolves think.

Well,If its a question of how and why the Dread is letting the Wolf Lord ride,It could be a matter of family...Picture the Dreadnaught,who finds out his grand daughter has become first a Space Wolf,then ends up becoming Wolf Lord.Possible if said Dreadnaught was fairly new. Though I agree,I think that the model would look far cooler on a Thunderwolf. Hell for that matter,you could allways present it as it was her shieldmate in life,and now in mostly death,he does what he can to help keep her safe. And I honestly believe with all my heart and soul,that Innocentz would have gotten the same amount of responses to her question in this forum. Now..I won't deny that in many other forums the statement would garner more attention and responses...But we here at the Fang are welcoming and helpful to all our fellow Wolves regardless.

 

The final question I have for Innocentz is...What in the name of Russ is your Wolf Lord doing in My Blood Claw pack *grins*

 

Maybe I'm just too old.... but a semi-naked woman riding Bjorn into battle.... a man who walked amongst Russ. Yeesh... I just don't know. It sounds far more 'Dark Eldar-ish' than Wolfy. But in the end it's your army, and that is the beauty of this game. I've seen everything from Smurf Ultramarines, to Elvis Noise Marines in my time with 40K.

 

<Off topic alert- Mord, you couldn't handle a Fenrisian space woman, and you know it..... You'd be begging for something soft from Ultramar in under 5 seconds. :blush: >

On that subject,It might very well end up being lethal for him...But the term "What a way to go" comes to mind *grins*

[Innocentz]

Thanks for the handy comments about where to get new models, it's much appreciated!

 

As for people getting all red-faced about my character "riding Bjorn", please re-read my posts x

I said I'd work the fluff around it, it will be a brother/sister or lover combo, the brother in the dread and the sister climbing on top for a better vantage.

The Bjorn stats will be a combo of the two.

 

Someone also said that Dreadnought's are living legends that have walked with Leman Russ, I thought it was only Bjorn who had that honour? x

 

Like many have said, it's my time and money, so bleh! :( :( :P

 

Played a 750 point battle today as we were all hung over from poker and beers last night and I have a few questions for the wise ones :D

1. In close combat: When rolling to hit do you nominate which weapons count as what then or during wounding?
   
2. If a blast weapon strays and hits a unit in combat, does it also hit your friendly models or just the enemy unit the template covers?
   
3. In multiple combats, how are results worked out? If 2 friendly units engage 2 enemy units but each are hitting eachother, does it count as one big result?
   

 

Thanks as always, a few of you have been awesome and are getting fan signs or vids or summin 'cus I know I'm being a pain in the ass with all my Q's lol x

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Thanks for the handy comments about where to get new models, it's much appreciated!

 

As for people getting all red-faced about my character "riding Bjorn", please re-read my posts x

I said I'd work the fluff around it, it will be a brother/sister or lover combo, the brother in the dread and the sister climbing on top for a better vantage.

The Bjorn stats will be a combo of the two.

 

Someone also said that Dreadnought's are living legends that have walked with Leman Russ, I thought it was only Bjorn who had that honour? x

 

Like many have said, it's my time and money, so bleh! :( :( :P

 

Played a 750 point battle today as we were all hung over from poker and beers last night and I have a few questions for the wise ones :D

1. In close combat: When rolling to hit do you nominate which weapons count as what then or during wounding?
   
2. If a blast weapon strays and hits a unit in combat, does it also hit your friendly models or just the enemy unit the template covers?
   
3. In multiple combats, how are results worked out? If 2 friendly units engage 2 enemy units but each are hitting eachother, does it count as one big result?
   

 

Thanks as always, a few of you have been awesome and are getting fan signs or vids or summin 'cus I know I'm being a pain in the ass with all my Q's lol x

All new Wolves ask questions. It is the way of things and the greybeards are more then happy to set us young wolves straight on things.

In close combat,unless you have a special HTH weapon (PF,PS,WC,TH and so on) what weapon you use wont matter as its based on your S characteristic. The special HTH weapon is what you use if you have it,the only time you need to Nominate using one specific Special weapon is if you have 2. In which case you can only use one that entire combat,nominated at the start of combat.

If a blast weapon strays,it hits whatever is under it. Friendly,Non friendly,neutral,innocent bystander...doesn't matter...Artillery knows no friends.

In multiple combats,say one unit charges two units at the same time,or if two units charge one unit and are then charged by another,that entire blob is resolved as one gigantic combat. So yes,if your troops are great in HTH and your opponents arent,if you win the combat you can sweeping advance both. Each group will test to see if they get away. Now say if you are in HTH with 2 units,one fails its leadership,the other doesn't,then you can't sweeping advance the unit that failed,because your still engaged with the unit that won.

[Innocentz]

In close combat,unless you have a special HTH weapon (PF,PS,WC,TH and so on) what weapon you use wont matter as its based on your S characteristic. The special HTH weapon is what you use if you have it,the only time you need to Nominate using one specific Special weapon is if you have 2. In which case you can only use one that entire combat,nominated at the start of combat.

 

Thank you, just to be clear on the first, if say a Rune Priest charged he would gain x2 attacks with his runic weapon, then +1 basic attack for his pistol and another basic attack for the charge, is this correct?

 

Thanks again x

[Valerian]

In close combat,unless you have a special HTH weapon (PF,PS,WC,TH and so on) what weapon you use wont matter as its based on your S characteristic. The special HTH weapon is what you use if you have it,the only time you need to Nominate using one specific Special weapon is if you have 2. In which case you can only use one that entire combat,nominated at the start of combat.

 

Thank you, just to be clear on the first, if say a Rune Priest charged he would gain x2 attacks with his runic weapon, then +1 basic attack for his pistol and another basic attack for the charge, is this correct?

 

Thanks again x

 

All four attacks (2 in Basic Profile + 1 for off-hand weapon, +1 for charging) count as having come from the Runic Weapon.

 

Valerian

[Vash113]

Thank you, just to be clear on the first, if say a Rune Priest charged he would gain x2 attacks with his runic weapon, then +1 basic attack for his pistol and another basic attack for the charge, is this correct?

 

Actually all 4 attacks would be with the Rune Weapon. Additional attacks for a 2nd CCW or for Charging still use whatever weapon the model is equipped with. So with a base of 2 attacks, +1 for having a pistol and +1 for charging the Rune Priest gets 4 attacks with his Rune Weapon that deny enemy armor saves. Additionally if he wounds an enemy model with his Rune Weapon and can still use a Psychic Power that turn, he can take a psychic test to instantly kill that enemy. Quite useful for taking out Monstrous Creatures and tough Characters.

[Firenze]

Innocentz. I know that name from somewhere else....

 

Sorry back OT. No.1: Welcome to the Fang. No.2: Answers to Questions.

 

Yes, if blast templates scatter and cover friendlies, they WILL get hit in addition to any enemy models.

If a combat is a big mosh pit of frenzied attacks, then when resolving combat, it is one result. However, each seperate unit takes Ld checks if they lose.

 

A question for you. Where is the Bjorn pic from? If you did it, we'd be happy to let you do art for the 13th company project.