A few questions from a girl gamer

[Innocentz]

My boyfriend follows the muzzle rule and his response to my line of query so far has been "shut up woman". ;)

 

As for the "Wolf claw ANY to hit", I cannot find any reference to this?

 

 

And honestly...If your BF is being a pain about this..Then I point you to another little...tidbit..Wolf Claws. By the Rules written,and to my knowledge not countermanded anywhere..They Let you choose to reroll ANY hit or wound Roll. It makes no distinction about in close combat.

 

Space Wolves Codex 5th, Space Wolves Wargear, Wolf Claws entry:

"...A wolf claw is a lightening claw that allows the wielder to re-roll his to-hit rolls or re-roll his to-wound rolls - the owner must choose at the beginning of each combat phase."

 

I don't see it?

[Gman]

Notice in your quote of the book, it doesn't specify "in close combat". So what they are saying is that a literal reading of that rule means they can reroll to-hit and to-wound for shooting as well.

 

Go hit a general rules forum area either here or another site, and post the question. Make it a poll even if you like and go with the consensus.

[Grimtooth]

Notice in your quote of the book, it doesn't specify "in close combat". So what they are saying is that a literal reading of that rule means they can reroll to-hit and to-wound for shooting as well.

 

Go hit a general rules forum area either here or another site, and post the question. Make it a poll even if you like and go with the consensus.

 

Actually it does say close combat, but people want to try and cheese as much as they can.

 

If you start with the description of Wolf Claws you are led down this path:

 

Wolf Claws are Lighting Claws. Lightning Claws are Power Weapons. Power weapons are used in close combat.

 

Of course you can just check the heading that Power weapons and Lightning Claws are listed under,

 

CLOSE COMBAT WEAPONS

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Notice in your quote of the book, it doesn't specify "in close combat". So what they are saying is that a literal reading of that rule means they can reroll to-hit and to-wound for shooting as well.

 

Go hit a general rules forum area either here or another site, and post the question. Make it a poll even if you like and go with the consensus.

 

Actually it does say close combat, but people want to try and cheese as much as they can.

 

If you start with the description of Wolf Claws you are led down this path:

 

Wolf Claws are Lighting Claws. Lightning Claws are Power Weapons. Power weapons are used in close combat.

 

Of course you can just check the heading that Power weapons and Lightning Claws are listed under,

 

CLOSE COMBAT WEAPONS

It says Power weapons are used in close combat. It doesn't say that you have to USE the Lightning claw. Just that equipping one allows you to reroll to wound.Wolf Claws are treated as Lightning Claws but also give the ability to choose to reroll to hit. Now as I said...Any reasonable person would say this only counts in Close combat and I agree with that. But any reasonable person would also say that the unit using the flamer would be allowed to have the template touch it.

 

Now,Since the topic under discussion is about problems with flamer templates and not being able to use them since they touch a 'friendly' unit,that being the unit actually firing them. Clearly this is something that is being cheesed by her BF,for..unclear reasons really. So my proposal was to point out another instance of the rules not being clear enough and say "If its rules rather then logic,I get to have this" and see if he would then see reason. As I stated in my post,I don't feel it SHOULD work the way I stated..But that purely by rules,it does.Same with the Flamer template...By pure rules,you should never be able to fire a flamer template at all. Obviously it isn't intended to work the way the rules have it. So if someone is pushing forward one "rules as written to benefit themselves" then they deserve to get a "rules as written to benefit the other person" as well.

[Innocentz]

Another tedious question:

 

[ ? ] Are there aspects of the Space Marines Codex the Space Wolves can use (eg: Ironclad Dreadnought) or is it considered to be a stand alone Codex?

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Another tedious question:

 

[ ? ] Are there aspects of the Space Marines Codex the Space Wolves can use (eg: Ironclad Dreadnought) or is it considered to be a stand alone Codex?

stand alone

[Innocentz]

Thanks!

 

Ok I've updated the first post to include all the questions and answers and to put any unanswered ones up so they don't get missed.

Kudos to all everyone who helps! :)

 

Let me know if I missed someone out! :jaw: x

[Valerian]

Your BF is right about the flamer templates. In this addition, all weapons are measure from the barrel of the weapon, including vehicle mounted ones. I do believe this follows true for flamer templates on vehicle mounted weapons. Which makes vehicle mounted flamers really kind of lame, because they are less useful and technically break the rule of "can't cover any of your own models".

 

"Instead if rolling to hit, simply place the template so that it's narrow end is touching the base of the model firing it and the rest of the templates covers as many models as possible in the target unit without touching any friendly models" - Warhammer 40K Rulebook 5th, Weapons, page 29.

 

This is the general rule for a unit firing a template weapon. Up to this point in the rulebook, most of the rules so far have been specific to standard infantry units. Other types of units (non-infantry) have some exceptions to the general rules, which are dealt with as those other units are introduced.

 

"As vehicle models do not usually have a base, the normal rule of measuring distances to or from the base cannot be used, instead, for distances involving a vehicle, measure to or from their hull (Ignore gun barrels, dozer blades, antennas, banners and other decorative elements).

 

This describes measurements only, for example determining how far a vehicle is from another model. This is especially useful when other units are targeting a vehicle (it tells us how to measure to a vehicle - must be to the hull!).

 

There is however a notable exception, a vehicles weaponry. When firing a vehicles weapons, ranges are measured from the muzzle of the firing weapon, whilst line of sight is determined from the weapons mounting point and along it's barrel." - Warhammer 40K Rulebook 5th, Vehicles, Vehicles & measuring distances, page 56."

 

This is the more specific rule for which modifies the more general rule used above (page 29). This is the one that is applicable for using any vehicle mounted weapon, to include your template weapon, the Flamestorm Cannon. You must place the small end of the Flamer template at the tip of your Flamestorm. A little bit of the template will probably be over your own vehicle, but that's okay and you don't need to worry about it.

 

I would prefer it just ignores itself but I want that written in nice clear black and white :)

 

Like "Template weapons fired from vehicles are placed from the muzzle and ignore vehicle chassis the weapon is fired from."

 

I've been playing with GW written rules for over 20 years now - get ready for dissapointment if you want the rules written nice and clear in black and white - that just ain't gonna happen.

 

Also, why do Vindicator shells and things like Nercon Particle Whips damage their own vehicles? It's UNPOSSIBLE!!!111

 

What's this? Not sure what you are on about here.

 

I also dislike how space marines that are a limited resource are given weapons that kill the user 16% of the time. (Plasma guns).

 

I agree. I've abhored the Gets Hot rule since it first appeared (back in '94 IIRC). Especially considering the high points cost of most plasma weapons, I think they can do without the added drawback.

 

I love this hobby but there are some retarded rules :jaw:

 

Tell me about it.

[Grey Mage]

Also, why do Vindicator shells and things like Nercon Particle Whips damage their own vehicles? It's UNPOSSIBLE!!!111

 

What's this? Not sure what you are on about here.

I think hes forgotten what the words "misfire" and "feedback" mean and so believes that a gun is incapable of injuring the person or vehicle firing it.

[Loki-LaughingDeath]

I usually refrain from commenting, but if you are looking for GOOD sci fi female figs, you might want to take a look at Corvus Belli's Infinity Line.

[Innocentz]

Also, why do Vindicator shells and things like Nercon Particle Whips damage their own vehicles? It's UNPOSSIBLE!!!111

 

What's this? Not sure what you are on about here.

I think hes forgotten what the words "misfire" and "feedback" mean and so believes that a gun is incapable of injuring the person or vehicle firing it.

I just dislike it when I shoot at a wall to destory it so I can move past, but the shell "bounces" back at me and annihilates me =(

In that situation it should be counted as the weapon jamming or something. ;)

 

 

I usually refrain from commenting, but if you are looking for GOOD sci fi female figs, you might want to take a look at Corvus Belli's Infinity Line.

 

The website seems down but thank's I'll have a look later x