wiplash Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 thinking of fielding an iron priest on thunderwolf with cyber wolves but then i thought why not field him with servitors too my instant thought was that they do not move the same so it would slow the unit or make it impssible however there is no mention that servitors/thralls impair the iron priests movement, or any mention of them as a wargear option for more detail or special rules so... do i go with common sense and just not field them, or because it doesnt say can I take it as they move at the speed of the iron priest? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 I'm not sure on the exact rules but since I believe servitors don't count as cavalry they shouldn't have cavalry charge rules without some other rule going into effect. However, why not field them even if you are slowed down? You miss out on 6" of assault but get 3 servo arm attacks (i.e. PFs) and 3 ablative wounds that count as T5. You can also repair any vehicles nearby on the way to the party Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2415004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pils Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 You also loose the fleet ability that cavelry have Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2415010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdall Skullcrusher Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 You could field 1 or 2 figuring they would die off before you actually got into charge range to soak up some hits. Save some of the cyberwolves from taking the bullet and ensure maximum carnage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2415034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 you couldnt have him on a TWM and servitors in the same unit. this isn't to do with moving at different speeds (your unit would move at the speed of the slowest) but rather the TWM entry which states '...However, he may only join TWC or fenrisian wolves units- anything else is asking for trouble.' as servitors are neither TWC nor wolves they can't be in the same unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2415045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdall Skullcrusher Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 you couldnt have him on a TWM and servitors in the same unit. this isn't to do with moving at different speeds (your unit would move at the speed of the slowest) but rather the TWM entry which states '...However, he may only join TWC or fenrisian wolves units- anything else is asking for trouble.'as servitors are neither TWC nor wolves they can't be in the same unit. He isn't joining them, they are his wargear essentially Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2415048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 beside the point, only wolves and TWC are allowed in a unit with TWM. wargear or not they don't fit that requirement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2415054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 beside the point, only wolves and TWC are allowed in a unit with TWM. wargear or not they don't fit that requirement. I disagree The IP is an elite unit and can't "join" Joining is a specific rule Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2415075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem of the Wolf Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 beside the point, only wolves and TWC are allowed in a unit with TWM. wargear or not they don't fit that requirement. I disagree The IP is an elite unit and can't "join" Joining is a specific rule Exactly. And the fact that it is Wargear makes it...technically possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2415090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pils Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 I would have to side with they are allowed, the IP does not join units, he is the unit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2415241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 The IP is not an independant character, so can't join units. The quote is irrelevant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2415296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiplash Posted May 28, 2010 Author Share Posted May 28, 2010 okay so i think i agree they can join him but how do we know he is slowed down? servitors aren't described as a specific unit type iron priest is a unit type "infantry" but that wouldn't carry over to the servitors as the cyber wolves aren't either so as far as i can see there is no ruling to say that the unit will be slowed down to infantry Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2415628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 okay so i think i agree they can join himbut how do we know he is slowed down? servitors aren't described as a specific unit type iron priest is a unit type "infantry" but that wouldn't carry over to the servitors as the cyber wolves aren't either so as far as i can see there is no ruling to say that the unit will be slowed down to infantry Closest comparison I can find is the servitor entry for SM codex Servitor unit type = infantry Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2415664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 okay so i think i agree they can join himbut how do we know he is slowed down? servitors aren't described as a specific unit type iron priest is a unit type "infantry" but that wouldn't carry over to the servitors as the cyber wolves aren't either so as far as i can see there is no ruling to say that the unit will be slowed down to infantry Closest comparison I can find is the servitor entry for SM codex Servitor unit type = infantry Barring any other description, I would side with this from the SM codex. Classed as infantry, so therefore unable to move as cavalry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2415980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningWolfFenris Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 I'd argue that he loses movement. But I did get the wonderful mental image of a servitor on a TW... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2415990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Exactly, you always move at the slowest rate of the unit... Wich is why bikes dont take fenrisian wolves as wargear... 6" move, no running, 6" charge... sucks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2415995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 Since the IP servitor unit is listed as wargear and is not provided a unit type, one could argue that if a IP preferred to ride a TWM into battle, he would construct his servitors in a way they would be able to keep up with him. I could see some wicked conversions to represent this ability. Fluff wise who is to say that he has not used part wolf part human and part machine to build such a construct. If someone came to my table with this type of conversion I would give them the nod and allow it to play, if they brought a standard 2 legged model I would say nice try, but no. Basically it would be a show and tell before a game to make sure you opponent is cool with it before you drop them on the table, for any type of tournament you would have to go to the judge for its allowance. WG Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2416346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem of the Wolf Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 Since the IP servitor unit is listed as wargear and is not provided a unit type, one could argue that if a IP preferred to ride a TWM into battle, he would construct his servitors in a way they would be able to keep up with him. I could see some wicked conversions to represent this ability. Fluff wise who is to say that he has not used part wolf part human and part machine to build such a construct. If someone came to my table with this type of conversion I would give them the nod and allow it to play, if they brought a standard 2 legged model I would say nice try, but no. Basically it would be a show and tell before a game to make sure you opponent is cool with it before you drop them on the table, for any type of tournament you would have to go to the judge for its allowance. WG Vrox You know....That is an interesting Idea...I might have to try doing just that lol. After all...any excuse for more conversion fun is eagerly jumped on as far as i am concerned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2416355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 I would only allow it as well on Vrox's conditions. That much work has to pay off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2416366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Clinto Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 Since the IP servitor unit is listed as wargear and is not provided a unit type, one could argue that if a IP preferred to ride a TWM into battle, he would construct his servitors in a way they would be able to keep up with him. I could see some wicked conversions to represent this ability. Fluff wise who is to say that he has not used part wolf part human and part machine to build such a construct. If someone came to my table with this type of conversion I would give them the nod and allow it to play, if they brought a standard 2 legged model I would say nice try, but no. Basically it would be a show and tell before a game to make sure you opponent is cool with it before you drop them on the table, for any type of tournament you would have to go to the judge for its allowance. WG Vrox I could agree with this if the servitors were modelled with tracks or wheels even and 2 legged models just wouldn't fit in this case. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202640-iron-priest-thrallsservitors-question/#findComment-2416678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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