Brother_Dan'l Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 I'm going to eventually be facing a bug player who loves to field a couple of Tervigons (?, the ones that :D gaunts) along with Carnifexes (that's like codex :D ) and more and more I'm thinking that the Librarian Dreadnought is our only choice. You can't kill a TMC with a "normal" Furioso, too many chances for the dice to fail and not score enough wounds, even using furious charging Blood Talons. And it's bloody costly to hope that your RAS-10 will keep enough ablative marines to allow the PF/TH Sarge to do the job. But charge in and use the FL's Force Weapon to fry his little bug brain? That should work more often than not. Which leads to the second part of the problem. Can you still use the Force Weapon's ID ability even though you used the S10 of the Blood Fist? The weapons operate together, otherwise they wouldn't have allowed the 2nd weapon bonus, and since it's a function of one of your two weapons I can't see any reason why you couldn't. So is there something specifically blocking this specific situation? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202772-is-the-furioso-librarian-our-best-weapon-against-tmcs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 The Blood fist and force weapon can be used at the same time, although it wont bring that much extra as both are Str. 10 with one of them being able to insta kill. A better option would be to simply shoot the hell out of that tervigon and watch and laugh as all those spawned bugs keep dying of that result. Hilarious Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202772-is-the-furioso-librarian-our-best-weapon-against-tmcs/#findComment-2416647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Broker Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 The Blood fist and force weapon can be used at the same time, although it wont bring that much extra as both are Str. 10 with one of them being able to insta kill. A better option would be to simply shoot the hell out of that tervigon and watch and laugh as all those spawned bugs keep dying of that result. Hilarious No they're not. Force Weapons strike at Str 6, as they're not DCCWs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202772-is-the-furioso-librarian-our-best-weapon-against-tmcs/#findComment-2416654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ariman Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 Actually the force weapon is only str 6 because unlike the Blood Fist the Force Weapon does not double the users str, so the choice in this case would be choosing between str 10 which will most likely wound against a high T creature or risk the str 6 attacks in hopes of instant death. I would personally suggest dropping a blood taloned furioso next to one of these monsters because they have no invulnerable to prevent additional wounds with re-rolls to wound. Either that or just get Mephiston to cave there skulls in. *edit* ninjaed by The Broker Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202772-is-the-furioso-librarian-our-best-weapon-against-tmcs/#findComment-2416655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 Actually - the simple Talon dread is out best weapon. On the charge, youre looking at hits on 3s, wounds on 3s with rerolls to wound. He can carve through carny squads like butter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202772-is-the-furioso-librarian-our-best-weapon-against-tmcs/#findComment-2416665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 I would always worry about putting a dread of any type into combat with a Tyranid MC. Too much chance for them to rip you apart. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202772-is-the-furioso-librarian-our-best-weapon-against-tmcs/#findComment-2416765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 Remember that in regards to using the force weapon a shrewd Nid player will keep a unit with Shadows in hte Warp closeby so there is a good chance you'll be rolling 3d6 for the psychic test... Feeling lucky? :P I think the best bet is a DC dread with a pair of Blood Talons and remember he's S7 on the charge, so he should be able to gut even a squad of Carnifexen, barring bad dice. I also have the same apprehension as James, if your dice don't perform well then most likely the dread will be shredded. So proceed with caution. 0b :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202772-is-the-furioso-librarian-our-best-weapon-against-tmcs/#findComment-2416780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Dan'l Posted May 29, 2010 Author Share Posted May 29, 2010 Actually - the simple Talon dread is out best weapon. On the charge, youre looking at hits on 3s, wounds on 3s with rerolls to wound. He can carve through carny squads like butter. True, but don't the big bugs have 6 wounds? I guess you guys probably have it right, it's just that I've had terrible luck with Talons so I was looking for something better. And I've been very, very lucky with Force Weapons. I guess I'll just have to field both. It makes me so sad. Not even a little. :) Well at least I finally found a decent way to make the Force Weapon. Knew keeping those damned Tau bits lying around would pay off eventually. http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb219/Brother_Daniel/BA_LibDreadForceWeapon.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202772-is-the-furioso-librarian-our-best-weapon-against-tmcs/#findComment-2416809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 Nice, I like that force weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202772-is-the-furioso-librarian-our-best-weapon-against-tmcs/#findComment-2416831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isryion Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 Actually - the simple Talon dread is out best weapon. On the charge, youre looking at hits on 3s, wounds on 3s with rerolls to wound. He can carve through carny squads like butter. True, but don't the big bugs have 6 wounds? I guess you guys probably have it right, it's just that I've had terrible luck with Talons so I was looking for something better. And I've been very, very lucky with Force Weapons. I guess I'll just have to field both. It makes me so sad. Not even a little. Either way, Talons or Libby, if you don't go first and kill them, they're going to destroy your dread unless they are ridiculously unlucky. I don't think that dreads are necessarily the answer for big monsters. I killed a unit of 2 with Blood talons, but that is very lucky. I was rolling a single die for the last five wounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202772-is-the-furioso-librarian-our-best-weapon-against-tmcs/#findComment-2417235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeons Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 man that's a cool dread, nice conversion work Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202772-is-the-furioso-librarian-our-best-weapon-against-tmcs/#findComment-2417262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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