Shieldwall Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 If you think I went over the top there then I worry for you in the big bad world. I think I expressed my view fairly reasonably, to be honest. I personally was well aware of the humor in the OP's post the moment I read it. Your reply, however, came across quite insolent. I can only advise to check the tenor of a specific subforum before getting excited. Here it's quite obviously normal to have the whole "noble and proud savage" attitude going on in each post, which is what the Space Wolves are after all. No offence meant. As for the trailer.. Meh, I expected to see at least some more of the actual animation. If that's all they managed to get done till now, this might well take a while. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2416941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 But, let's not forget that Ultras need a movie to be assured that they are awesome. We don't . We are awesome because of our inbuilt/implanted awesomeness unlike any other chapter. AREN"T WE? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2416954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 on a more related note, i have to agree with the sentiment of the wolf brothers here, im an ultra nut and am happy that they are concentrating on us.. we knew that many wouldnt like it but this is a movie being released to the general public, many of whom have no idea about the 40k 'verse.. The ultras are the perfect choice to reprisent the space marines to a blank canvas audience. I feel a better choice, and one that would have made many happy overall, would have been to do a deathwatch killteam frankly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2416961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutteman Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 You know what, I did kind of face palm when i heard that line in the teaser...only cos I KNEW within a day something like this would of happened ;) :) I have to admit though, everyone has handled the whole thing better than I expected. One reason I like the B&C. I prefer Ultras being the flag carriers, because I don't want GW messing with my fluff all the time. One reason I go DIY, I make it up. ;) On the teaser note, I think it was more of a heres what the models look like close up etc. Defo not a trailer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2416965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godhead Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 I think the imperial fists would have been a good choice too. They have some cool chapters that spawned from them. I still have a soft spot for the Crimson Fists simply because I thought the painting on the Rogue Trader book was AWESOME. I don't really have my panties in a bunch because the Ultra's have a movie that's spouting off about them being the greatest chapter known to man. Because, lets face it, the Space Wolves are the greatest chapter known to everyone else right before they kill them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2416978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlk Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 I think the imperial fists would have been a good choice too. They have some cool chapters that spawned from them. I still have a soft spot for the Crimson Fists simply because I thought the painting on the Rogue Trader book was AWESOME. I don't really have my panties in a bunch because the Ultra's have a movie that's spouting off about them being the greatest chapter known to man. Because, lets face it, the Space Wolves are the greatest chapter known to everyone else right before they kill them. An interesting theory. I guess we just prefer to spend everything for new chainswords instead of vox-commercials celebrating our own greatness. Makes sense .) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2416989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiplash Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 out of the space marine chapters i also think imperial fists would be best, but... 40k movies should have started with Imperial Guard films! War films apeal to most audiences, and it wouldn't even seem that much in the future as IG are little different to WW2 or modern day soldiers imagine films like battle of algiers, something that would easily port to the 40k universe, or tv shows like Generation Kill or Band of Brothers, the characters are the same they would just look slightly different, sci-fi doesnt have to be star trek does it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem of the Wolf Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 Well...nothing says that we can't be very cunning,sneaky and dangerous. But when we cut loose in the heat of battle, we pretty much go off in as spectacularly violent a manner as possible. Restraint is not really one of the Space Wolves virtues in battle. We do choose the moment to strike when its right,but when we strike...we go all out,going for the throat without a second's hesitation. That is what they are talking about with the whole psychotic killing machine bit I believe. As for the Ultramarines looking pretty while kicking ass. Yes that is true...I still maintain that we Wolves kick more ass but that is of course Chapter Loyalty speaking...Every Chapter thinks theirs kicks the most ass. We Wolves just happen to be the only ones that are right *grin* Seriously though...I think that ANY Warhammer 40k movie will be a good thing. And the better it is made,the better all around it will be,both for current fans,and for future fans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkseer Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 I just got back from the MCM London Expo today where there was a big ULTRAMARINES stand with...well...nothing really. 4 screens allowed you to look at the official website -Pointless. Seen it. Then at 3:30pm they set up a huge plasma screen to run the latest 'preview' which was more talking from the cast and a still image of one of the space marines at the end. BUT, there was no volume. Doh! No one was impressed. Then Dan Abnett was there to do book signings. I was loitering for the 'preview' and didn't realised I'd effectively queue jumped and was stood right next to his desk. So I casually said "Alright mate" and asked him how Prospero Burns was coming along and that I was really looking forward to it. "Me too" he said, then added: "It's neeearly finished." Then he turned to the queue of neatly lined up geeks and the first took out a lovingly kept mint condition copy of Gaunts Ghosts in his sweaty nub hands and the queue shambled forward with fanboyish glee in their eyes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted May 29, 2010 Author Share Posted May 29, 2010 i personally thought that talking about the wolf in me seeing as I never actually drank from the cup of the wulfen made it quite clear that I was having a bit of banter I will remember in future that other chapters find it as difficult to take a joke as they do a jar of strong ale (that is another joke, hope that one was clear enough) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 I actually despise the notion we are psycho killing machines. I"d rather us stick to the cunning, determined uber killes of all enemies of the imperium and staunch killers of those imperial organizations who would try and make us submit. With respect to the ultras.....GW needs some type of poster marine to attract folks to the hobby. Also, I'm not disturbed by the Ultras being seen as so strong. Ultramar is an empire within an empire. But the Galaxy is big, and there are plenty of astartes who can kick big BooTe. I don't like thinking of SM as brain-washed killing machines either but the quote in my sig does have the ring of truth to it when you think about it... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonslayer Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 i personally thought that talking about the wolf in me seeing as I never actually drank from the cup of the wulfen made it quite clear that I was having a bit of banter I will remember in future that other chapters find it as difficult to take a joke as they do a jar of strong ale (that is another joke, hope that one was clear enough) Nope sorry, as you keep sloossing your words As for it not being a Space Wolf movie, we all know that we would be disappointed with the end result as GW wouldn't be able to show how awesome we really are Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 on a more related note, i have to agree with the sentiment of the wolf brothers here, im an ultra nut and am happy that they are concentrating on us.. we knew that many wouldnt like it but this is a movie being released to the general public, many of whom have no idea about the 40k 'verse.. The ultras are the perfect choice to reprisent the space marines to a blank canvas audience. I feel a better choice, and one that would have made many happy overall, would have been to do a deathwatch killteam frankly. Agreed! From a fan standpoint. You could rep. Several chapters with a very interesting storyline that being deathwatch. ................. On another note, lets keep things civil so we don't have to invoke the emperor's peace. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcm979 Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 I have to say, I didn't really care about the Ultramarines one way or another until I went on 40k 'fan' sites and found they were full of arguments about Ultramarines. Now I hate them as a sort of Pavlovian response to the :D storm that every thread that can be tangentally linked to them degenerates into with enough time. It's like the Godwin's Law of the Far Future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 on a more related note, i have to agree with the sentiment of the wolf brothers here, im an ultra nut and am happy that they are concentrating on us.. we knew that many wouldnt like it but this is a movie being released to the general public, many of whom have no idea about the 40k 'verse.. The ultras are the perfect choice to reprisent the space marines to a blank canvas audience. I feel a better choice, and one that would have made many happy overall, would have been to do a deathwatch killteam frankly. Agreed! From a fan standpoint. You could rep. Several chapters with a very interesting storyline that being deathwatch. ................. On another note, lets keep things civil so we don't have to invoke the emperor's peace. Yep.... called in by a passing rogue trader to clear out a space hulk thats floating slowly from one side of a system to the other. Deathwatch is sent out, locals seem alright at the moment... they go in with some Inquisitorial storm trooper support near the begining, cleanse and purify as they go... encounter tyranids. At some point, they fall back, successful in recovering something of great importance and having done the proper reconnaisance... only to find that the local population has fallen into total war as a genestealer cult attempts to use its people in power to rise up and take the world. They send out a databurst about whats going on... drop in, surgically removing several key nexii of the vangaurd organisms and crippling the insurrection. The final clip... word is sent than a small imperial battlefleet is on the way to support, some 18 million IG and two companies of space marines to quell the population and cleanse the hulk completely. The message is almost finished, when static builds, and the inquisitors cruiser reports that a tranid fleet is inbound- flash to the far reaches of the solar system, to a veiw of a hive splinter fleet. Drama created between the different ideas of the members of disparate chapters, facilitated by the words of the inquisitors apprentice who has not worked with space marines before and is trying to understand. Make three of the Space Marines the other "main characters" and try to split the screen time up as much as possible. Could probly make a full season series out of it, if you could find a way to do it without dropping the production value. "Deathwatch, a series about life, death, and humanity in the grim darkness of the future." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Rathul Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 The movie trailer was pretty good but to be honest, none of the space marines, not even ultramarines, space wolves, imperial fists or any other space marine chapter, can match with the power of the Grey Knights. If there was a Grey Knight movie replacing this one than all this quarelling would be solved. Enough said. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldaran Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 on a more related note, i have to agree with the sentiment of the wolf brothers here, im an ultra nut and am happy that they are concentrating on us.. we knew that many wouldnt like it but this is a movie being released to the general public, many of whom have no idea about the 40k 'verse.. The ultras are the perfect choice to reprisent the space marines to a blank canvas audience. I feel a better choice, and one that would have made many happy overall, would have been to do a deathwatch killteam frankly. Agreed! From a fan standpoint. You could rep. Several chapters with a very interesting storyline that being deathwatch. ................. On another note, lets keep things civil so we don't have to invoke the emperor's peace. Yep.... called in by a passing rogue trader to clear out a space hulk thats floating slowly from one side of a system to the other. Deathwatch is sent out, locals seem alright at the moment... they go in with some Inquisitorial storm trooper support near the begining, cleanse and purify as they go... encounter tyranids. At some point, they fall back, successful in recovering something of great importance and having done the proper reconnaisance... only to find that the local population has fallen into total war as a genestealer cult attempts to use its people in power to rise up and take the world. They send out a databurst about whats going on... drop in, surgically removing several key nexii of the vangaurd organisms and crippling the insurrection. The final clip... word is sent than a small imperial battlefleet is on the way to support, some 18 million IG and two companies of space marines to quell the population and cleanse the hulk completely. The message is almost finished, when static builds, and the inquisitors cruiser reports that a tranid fleet is inbound- flash to the far reaches of the solar system, to a veiw of a hive splinter fleet. Drama created between the different ideas of the members of disparate chapters, facilitated by the words of the inquisitors apprentice who has not worked with space marines before and is trying to understand. Make three of the Space Marines the other "main characters" and try to split the screen time up as much as possible. Could probly make a full season series out of it, if you could find a way to do it without dropping the production value. "Deathwatch, a series about life, death, and humanity in the grim darkness of the future." That, would have been AWESOME!! Why can't we have that now? On the SW v. Ultras thing, let the Ultramarines have their time in the spotlight; we don't need it to be epicly awesome; so, everyone back to the bar for a bit of ribbing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 No offence meant. None taken. ;) As for the trailer..Meh, I expected to see at least some more of the actual animation. Agreed, Severus is still pretty badass though. If that's all they managed to get done till now, this might well take a while. It's the first bit that they did, it isn't all they've got done though. Or at least, I hope so :lol: The thing is, I had hope that this movie would intorduce more people to the actual Ultramarines chapter behind the box art and the Mat Ward fanboyism. Instead, nobody will actually look past the 'greatest EVA!' line. It's a crying shame, as the Ultramarines really do have a lot of character. Their IA is one of the best GW has ever written, and is what got me collecting them. Oh well... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 To be honest, at this point Ill ive really got is the "greatest eva" line to go off of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 To be honest, at this point Ill ive really got is the "greatest eva" line to go off of. What I mean is that everyone will focus on this throwaway line (which, let's face it, is artistic hyperbole), and ignore whatever character the film gives the Ultras. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 To be honest, at this point Ill ive really got is the "greatest eva" line to go off of. What I mean is that everyone will focus on this throwaway line (which, let's face it, is artistic hyperbole), and ignore whatever character the film gives the Ultras. Well, I look forward to it either way.... I suppose, like many SW players, Im not a fan of pretty-boys. And no offense intended but most artists portray them as such, wich makes them slightly annoying. Individual players of UMs vary like the stars... but the fiction? *shrugs* Like I said, deathwatch would have been better in my opinion, but Ill go to see Space Marine the opening weekend assuming Im not dead broke- if nothing else just to ensure its not the last 40k movie they make. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 I suppose, like many SW players, Im not a fan of pretty-boys. And no offense intended but most artists portray them as such, wich makes them slightly annoying. Individual players of UMs vary like the stars... but the fiction? Agreed we are somewhat victims of GWs continuing party line, however many of us choose them for other reasons.. as i said before, a little understanding goes a long way. Thankfully the wolves in general have been very much the gentlemen about it (not quite sure why they are more understanding than other groups) *shrugs* Like I said, deathwatch would have been better in my opinion, but Ill go to see Space Marine the opening weekend assuming Im not dead broke- if nothing else just to ensure its not the last 40k movie they make. Its staright out to DVD, so im sure ill be putting an order with play.com to get it a little cheaper Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branek Icefang Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 When creating a movie based around SM, Ultramarines are the logical choice, considering that they can account for over half the marines around today (well, 10000 years in the future) whereas the Wolves can only boast our one chapter. Ultramarines are the Paragon of the Codex Astartes. Blood Angels are the slight variant chapter of the Codex Astartes. Space Wolves give a big middle finger to the Codex Astartes. Considering a whole 1 chapter (that is well known) just says hell no to the marine guidebook, it seems redundant to base a movie around them. That said, I still think the movie should of been Deathwatch, introduce the Inquisition, a few different SM chapters and the Tyranids all in one movie! (There was actually a deathwatch comic with an Inquisitor, An ultra sarge, a SW, a DA, a BA, an IH Techmarine and a Doom Eagles apothacery.) If they were to make a second SM movie, I would start foaming at the mouth if it was Ultramarines as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 They are refered to as "the greatest of all Space Marine chapters" in the teaser? We knew that since 2nd Edition. Surely that will not surprise anyone now, will it? It's ok, there is nothing wrong with playing other Chapters. So the Ultramarines are getting a movie... and that is supposed to be a good thing? I am worried by that kind of thing for a few reasons: - It is probably going to suck - They are going to use the wrong color scheme again (gold trims and black weapons) - It is probably going to suck If no GW author in recent years has managed to adequately write about the Ultramarines, how will this movie be different? Perhaps I should give Dan Abnett a chance, at least I liked his Guard books. Oh, and on "pretty Ultramarines" i.e. "pomp". The Ultramarine iconography is largely practical. Companies are denoted simply by a colored trim, and the squad icons are simple shapes. With the Blood Angels and the Dark Angels you already have more complex patterns. The Dark Angels use a pattern to denote company, not just a color. The Blood Angels have a symbol for every Company, and a graphical icon to differentiate between the squads of a company (instead of the numbers the Ultramarines use). The Space Wolves have the most complex iconography of the four big Chapters. INstead of one single Chapter icon, every Great Company has their own graphical icon. Every single squad is denoted by a different pattern, and unit types (GH, BC, LF, WG) use different colour combinations for their patterns. The Space Wolves are also famous for decorating their armour with personal items and marks. The Ultramarine armour decorations and iconography is pretty clean and straight forward, practical. Space Wolves decoration and iconography is more intricate and individualised. It does seem like the Ultramarines put the least emphasis on appearances of the four big Chapters. They are, after all, the only of the four (or even the only of the five, if you add Black Templars) that did not get an upgrade sprue and has to do with the basic models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 Three words (Sort of...?) Straight. To. DVD. It will join the lofty ranks of such greats as "Starship Troopers 2: Hero of the Federation" and "Jack Frost 2: Revenge of the Mutant Killer Snowman" I'm not holding my breath on this one. If it's good, excellent, I'll buy it and watch with a joyous look on my face. Otherwise, it'll live up to the Ultramarine name. I'm glad, though, that it's not the Wolves on this first attempt (that wasn't aborted mid-way through) at movie fandom. As said previously, it could never convey the true, sheer Wolfy awesomeness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/202781-ultramarine-movie-trailer/page/2/#findComment-2417529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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