Fathers of Orin

[Tutteman]

Calm down. You posted this on here for C&C. We have given you honest opinions. I know several people have turned to being more blunt, but this was because you seemed to ignore their earlier comments and they wanted to get the point across. If you don't like our suggestions, then fine. You paid for the models and they are yours, within your friend groups you are probably okay.

 

 

The main issue is this chapter is so awesome. They have psykers who have all the powers of the warp, but none of the dangers of it. They have two thousand TDA suits acquired in less then a tenth of the time that the Dark Angels have maintained about 150! They use a fantastic new system of genetic manipulation to ensure every single one of their recruits survives the process and these recruits can be up to 30 years old compared to the 12 or 13 that other chapters have to start procedures at. It just creates a chapter that are just so awesome they are unbelievable.

 

It is not that we will not accept anything new, but that if you are going to make a Space Marine Chapter they need to stay within the boundaries of the fluff of the 40K Universe.

 

 

I've linked the guide to DIYing below. It is really helpful reading. While it is very long, it should really be required reading for DIY creators.

Guide to DIYing

[Ace Debonair]

FINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I'LL LEAVE!

 

IF YOU DON"T EXCEPT NEW AND RANDOM IDEAS, THEN NOTHINGS GOING TO CHANGE.

 

Steady on there.

We're trying to help you make a chapter that isn't over the top, because they are much, much cooler than the ones that are.

I don't think more than 1/1,000 people come in here and get it right on the first try, so don't be too down about it.

 

I think my first attempt at a chapter was as bad, if not worse. They all rode Dragons, for Emperor's sake. Dragons! :thanks:

You posted this on here for C&C. We have given you honest opinions. I know several people have turned to being more blunt, but this was because you seemed to ignore their earlier comments and they wanted to get the point across.

Ah, my honest apologies for the bluntness of my earlier statements. Looking back, they were partially the product of hasty typing, and look a lot more biting than I intended them to be. So, sorry about that. :D

 

If you want to ignore my advice and press on with your chapter as it is now, do it. I'm just some guy on the internet, after all.

[ChaplainMathreyn]

I'm just some guy on the internet, after all.

 

Not just some guy... You're Ace Debonair... on the Internet.

[Nickles 138 SUP]

Thanks, but I'm not shure I want to buid the chapter anymore.

I mean, the chapter is going to die grusome and brutal death anyways.

 

Gradualism has a 1 out of 700 chance of sucsess, and that is at the best of situations. Virals only have 3 powers also. I mean they are really just Greyknight, misks, that cannot be seen by the Warp. They would be damned lucky to survive a 1 on 1 with any being with phykick potiential.

 

Just imagin. The crouds roar, the stiffnes in the air, and the electrical sparks from a Librarians hand. All is still, and then the starting bell rings. 3,2,1 and POW the Viral has just been sucked through a vortex that the Librarian created. All is still, all is quit. There knealing befor all the Librarian that squits at the pain when he relizes that he pulled a mucle. Finally he stands up and says, "Well he's the Tau's problem now," and the croud roars in agreement.

 

I liked your idea about dragons. HECK I like anything with dragons. One thing I must ask though. If the Space Wolfs are allow monsterous dogs as mounts and fighters, then why not allow flying reptiles that breath fire to be dwarf sized and fight with a chapters captains?

 

Any way I am not getting rid of their Terminator Armor. It is all part of the plan. It is the main reason for their undoing.

 

There is only 1 Viral in this chapter and he is seccond in comand.

 

As others see the glory and beginning of one thing, I see its ending and its down fall.

[Espada Azul]

Again, it all boils down to you fitting in your Chapter to the Warhammer 40k universe, and not the other way around. A Chapter can be heroic and admirable, but will never ever be perfect in every way -- which, in essence, is what you want your DIY to be.

 

Unfortunately, in the 40k Universe, where most things might be slightly plausible, it still beggars disbelief.

 

Like having an All-Terminator Chapter. Not really possible. Consider the Ultramarines, one of the if not THE pre-eminent Chapter out there, and they only have around 74 Suits. The Blood Angels, another First Founding, has around 88. The Deathwing of the Dark Angels are a special case, but your run-of-the-mill successor will rarely have more than 30 or 40. You can't just mass-produce TDA off a production line, and the loss of a single suit is very often a MASSIVE blow to the Chapter, as they're extremely hard to make or replace.

 

I mean, have you even read the DIY Chapter Guide? How about the Octaguide? It's required for everyone who wanders into Liber, or else the aforementioned wanderer will be in for a lot of grief. It's like... I dunno, you're not even reading what many of the older Liberites are saying.

 

We're trying to help, but it won't mean anything if you just ignore our advise anyway.

 

Also, re: Dragons. Where would you find them? I mean, the Salamanders have massive lava-living reptiles on Nocturne, but they don't go around using those as mounts.

[Nickles 138 SUP]

Should I stop talking about this chapter and instead talk about the Guardinas or the Imperial Swifts?

 

What I have been trying to say is this is a Terminator Chapter, and if it is not excepted, then we are waisting time here. Hell if I wanted to make a chapter that was like all the others I would have chosen Ultramarines. People why can't we have chapters with pet dragons, or Imperial conspiracies, or Regements of plain Ogryans, or... What am I doing!

 

Why must I always try to use my imagination to make things above and beyond the norm? Why can't I think like every one else?

 

I'm ending this Forum. (I don't know how but...) Sigh! I'm not going to write in this forum any more.

 

Say your good byes. I'm not going to read them, sorry.

[Espada Azul]

Who says you can't be creative within the established rules of the Universe? The background establishes the difficulty of making, maintaining, and obtaining suits of Terminator Armor for FIRST FOUNDINGS, the Legions all of the current Chapters are descended from.

 

I mean my DIY is descended from the Ultramarines, but that doesn't mean they're exactly like the Ultramarines. The follow the Codex, its rank structure, and tactics, but only recently was forced to focus on stealth and hit-and-run.

 

There's a difference, and it's called 'character', which is built up through background that does not contradict what we currently know of how the Warhammer 40000 universe works. If you can't understand that, if you won't understand that, then we can't help you.

[RagingGriffon]

Fine. You can use gradualism. There is a 1 in 700 chance of it working. Can you please explain how you went through 700,000 Imperial Guardsmen to create that Chapter? I am dying to know. I don't think your Guardsmen would care to put up with those odds.

 

If you wanted to create a Terminator "Chapter" I think the only way people on this forum would accept (not "excepted") a full Chapter of Termies would be if there were 150 at the MOST.

 

I just think you need to slow down a bit, RTF Chapter Guide, write your ideas down in Microsoft Word, spell/grammar check, let it sit for a week, read some of the other people's created Chapters, read some canon Chapter guides, then re-attack. Or take your toys and go sit in the corner, because that is what I do with my son when he throws a tantrum. Constructive criticism is good for a person. It makes the person grow. Unless this takes a serious turn for the better, I am done feeding the troll.

[Ace Debonair]

What I have been trying to say is this is a Terminator Chapter, and if it is not excepted, then we are waisting time here. Hell if I wanted to make a chapter that was like all the others I would have chosen Ultramarines. People why can't we have chapters with pet dragons, or Imperial conspiracies, or Regements of plain Ogryans, or... What am I doing!

 

Why must I always try to use my imagination to make things above and beyond the norm? Why can't I think like every one else?

 

So you didn't read the DIY guide, then.

The answers you seek are within it's pages.

 

I still have my Beige Templars, on their dragons. It'd take more than

I'm not going to write an IA for them - that's what I have the Stonebound/Infinity Knights/Red Lords for.

 

It doesn't mean I can't have a thousand marines on dragons the size of rhino tanks, I'm just not going to write their history because it would be impossible to believe - like a flying kick to face of Warhammer 40k's history. :yes:

 

 

I think what Griffon was trying to say was;

"It's your chapter, do what you want. But if you totally ignore our advice, you'll have a chapter that very, very few people are impressed by."

I'd advise you to listen to the general thrust of his argument, rather than the actual words in this instance. :P

 

 

EDIT:

I'm just some guy on the internet, after all.

 

Not just some guy... You're Ace Debonair... on the Internet.

I'm Ace Debonair everywhere, buddy. It's as much a way of life as a name. ;)

[Tutteman]

I can only echo Ace here. We have told you to read the DIY Guide from post 3. Please do, if nothing else it's interesting to read it and learn more about how chapters are formed.

 

If you wanted to create a Terminator "Chapter" I think the only way people on this forum would accept (not "excepted") a full Chapter of Termies would be if there were 150 at the MOST.

 

Okay, I'm going to build on this point. Hopefully this will be taken in a constructive manner and used to create a 40K Space Marines Chapter.

 

Perhaps the reason you can recruit older people then other marines chapters is a flaw in your gene seed. Due to this flaw the rate of sucess falls and you have only about 100 to 150 marines at current time. Gradualism is a technique of treatment that is being secretly used to increase sucess rates (Note it must be kept secret or you will be purged by those nice charming people at the Mechanicum or Inquistion.) Due to the larger number of gene seeds required they farm mind wiped criminals in much the same way the Mechanicum do to create the original gene seed stock.

 

Now you can engineer this gene seed flaw any way you like really, I'd suggest you run with your isolated by warp storm idea and say the chapter were exposed to the warp causing the flaws. However, your chapter did have SOME good luck, while trapped on this planet they found a store of Terminator Suits. Not a huge amount, say about...oh...120-150 sound good? (I presume you were going to play Deathwing Dark Angels for the rules.) Now due to their inherent loyalty to the Imperium/Humanity they all suit up arguing that they must make up for their lack of numbers by using whatever they have, also the toughness of the suits means they are better protected so to survive.

 

This also is kept a COMPLETE SECRET. You now have a chapter that fufils many of your original ideas, but is not unbelievably awesome and has some interesting character to explore.

 

How has this flaw in their gene seed affected their faith? How do they justify keeping all these secrets from the Imperium? How do they fool the Mechanicum when they send their Gene Seed tithe? Why hasn't the Inquistion noticed this tiny chapter? Why haven't they noticed EVERYONE wear TDA?

 

This is, I suppose, the final offer. If you want to create a chapter that we will accept, it must be from the 40K universe, not purely your imagination. Trust me, I've tried both and basing it in the fluff works far better. If you don't want to listen to us then fine, that is called free will. Hopefully we can work on an idea that all parties can accept, but otherwise. Goodbye and enjoy life :P