Tanhausen Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Hi all, I've been reading the BRB about the IC rules... and can't find why Mephiston can't join a unit and Belial (to put an example) can. Thanks for the help PD. If this question has already been answered (didn't find it...), please just drop me the link and close the topic. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingo Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Mephiston doesn't have the Independant Character special rule. Therefore he is simply a unit in his own right and cannot join another unit. An IC can join Mephiston, but not the other way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 An IC can join Mephiston, but not the other way round. incorrect. ICs can not join units that are always one model (like Mephiston or the Sanguinor). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhausen Posted June 1, 2010 Author Share Posted June 1, 2010 @pingo: thanks, perfect answer. @JamesI: don't have the rules now... does it say that IC can't join one-man-units? The other day had a bit of an argument with a BA (I'm DA-DW)... just want to be sure for next time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingo Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 An IC can join Mephiston, but not the other way round. incorrect. ICs can not join units that are always one model (like Mephiston or the Sanguinor). Did not know that! Seems like a weird rule though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 @pingo: thanks, perfect answer. @JamesI: don't have the rules now... does it say that IC can't join one-man-units? The other day had a bit of an argument with a BA (I'm DA-DW)... just want to be sure for next time Its in the IC rules. ICs can not join units that are always 1 model (but for some reason ICs can join other ICs as that is specifically allowed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhausen Posted June 1, 2010 Author Share Posted June 1, 2010 Again, thanks to both of you for such a fast reply. It certainly is wierd the IC-IC attaching... but I guess that is another issue. Close the post if you want, I think the issue has been 100%+ solved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 This got me reading this morning...what constitutes a unit that always consists of one model? Mephiston, certainly. Consider, though, the BA codex Techmarine. He can (but need not) take servitors as a part of his unit. (Note that he is not an IC and cannot otherwise join units on his own.) Can ICs join this lone techmarine? Either he (for the purposes of a single game) consists of one model as he hasn't taken any servitors, or (for "always") he does not always consist of a single model as he has the option to take servitors. In the latter case, an IC can join him. In the former case, not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhausen Posted June 1, 2010 Author Share Posted June 1, 2010 I'd say that the TM is not a one man unit... because you can upgrade the unit (whether you do so or not is your choice) with more miniatures. That would like LS squadrons...1 model is still a unit, but you can upgrade it. Now for a fluffy one... could Sammael in his LS attach himself to a LS Squadron (even if its only Sammy + 1 LS)? I'd say yes... because its not a one man unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Now for a fluffy one... could Sammael in his LS attach himself to a LS Squadron (even if its only Sammy + 1 LS)? I'd say yes... because its not a one man unit. Fluff wise, sure. Rules wise no. Sammael is not an Ic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhausen Posted June 1, 2010 Author Share Posted June 1, 2010 @James The idea was beautiful... and I'm sure no other DA had EVER thought of that... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Dajin Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Actually, with the spearhead rules you can :tu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 When it says untis that are always a single model it means just that, not units that are currently a single model, a lone techmarine is fine as he is not always a single model, the only real exceptions are vehicle squadrens as they are specificly disalowed. As of 5th Carnifex can also be joined, which excepting Hive tyrant/tyrant guard special rules are the only MC with that distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Sasha Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 In terms of WHY GW did this to Mephiston, and Sammael, I was told that it prevents what are already powerful models being able to bury themselves in a squad for wound absorption etc. With all Meph's stats, having to kill 10 marines before you even get to him would be too unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 In Sammael's case remember he can be taken with a Jetbike or a Land Speeder. They didn't want the problems of a vehicle (land speeder) joining units. He's not that Uber in CC and fluff-wise ( and game -wise) having him join a squad of Ravenwing bikes would be great. He can offer some excellent fire support but has a talent of killing himself with the plasma cannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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