Help Me Think of a Chapter Name

[Bishoujo]

Topic says it all. I've got piles and piles of un-opened space marine goodies sitting here and I want to turn them into an army instead of keeping them buried away in the darkness of my closet. I'm having trouble coming up with a name for the chapter though. Let me share with you the basic idea I have in mind and hopefully you guys/girls will prove more creative than me!

 

I'm going to play the army using the Blood Angels codex, and I'm thinking that the chapter should be some sort of Blood Angels successor, or a successor to a Blood Angels successor. From a fluff stand point, I'm thinking that they are not tied too closely to their parent chapter and thus I'll be giving myself a restriction preventing me from taking Sanguinary Guard or Death Company (and Death Company Dreads).

 

I imagine the army as a very fast mechanized army. Quick response and lightning fast raids. Lots of Razorbacks, Baal Predators and regular Predators. Not heavy use of Whirlwinds and Vindicators - but having them as 'Fast' using the BA codex fits my theme as well ("We don't use them often, but when we do they have to keep up with the rest of the army").

 

My theme is that their home world (where their Fortress Monastery is located) is perpetually night. A big planet is between their home world and their system's sun, and its orbit maintains just enough speed to constantly block the sun. Fortunately, there are several moons around their home world, leaving the planet with constant moonlight. So, combined with their fast raid tactics and comfortability in the dark - they are incredibly adept at night raids.

 

The cosmetic look is going to be a dark/medium purple color, with bleached bone and gold trim colors. I'm also thinking of using Night Lords heads, as I really like those bat wings. The chapter is 100% loyalist, but still might use some Night Lords iconography (obviously painted in my chapter's colors).

 

So, I'd like my chapter name to reflect their proficiency in the dark, their planet being in perpetual night, or their fast attack raid tactics.

 

I think Nocturne (which I *think* is the French word nocturnal) is a good name for their planet.

 

My initial idea was Lunar Knights, but that seems kind of cheese (isn't there a video game with that name?). One guy suggested "you should call them Grape Angels since they are purple Blood Angels". He got slapped for his Grape Angels suggestion. ;)

 

So, that's all I've got for now. Once I come up with a name - I'll get working on my fluff and details. Thanks in advance!

[Espada Azul]

We do have a Chapter Name generator. ;)

 

You might need to think of another name for a homeworld though, as Nocturne is the name of the homeworld of the Salamanders.

[Jacobius]

Have you given any thought to the way the BA geneseed is going to affect these guys? That might also give ideas for a name. Something a bit over the top would be:

 

The Twilight Sarcophiles

 

Or:

 

Eternal Knights (see what I did there?)

Night Seraphs

Angels Obscurum

Dark Angels...wait a minute...

 

Purple in ancient rome was only allowed to be worn by royalty or the praetorian guard so:

 

Twilight Praetorians?

 

 

Night Storm chapter?

Nachtsturm?

Black Lightning?

 

I should prolly stop, they're starting to get ridiculous... ;)

 

-J-

[Octavulg]

Dark Angels!

 

No, wait...

 

Blood Ghosts or Ghost Angels would both fit well with the usual BA successor name schemes.

[Bishoujo]

We do have a Chapter Name generator. :)

 

You might need to think of another name for a homeworld though, as Nocturne is the name of the homeworld of the Salamanders.

 

I had no idea about Nocturne. I shall have to think of something else for sure. It would be quite silly to copy their planet's name. 8-)

[Bishoujo]

I don't think I'll be using any blood angels iconography so the "Blood" part of a name would seem weird. I like the "Ghost Angels" suggestion, but I'm not sure how well 'Angels' would fit if I end up using the Night Lords helmets. I could always just not use the Night Lords iconography, but normal marines are just so... plain for my tastes.

 

Hmm...

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

Twilight Guard

 

Luna Angels

 

The Knights Chiropter (dont use this one its more of a joke)

[Philip S]

Blood Scions?

 

Philip

[Ferrata]

Edward Marines?

 

Seriously, I think Lunar might be a good choice of word as this could link into their beliefs (I'm guessing the moon might play a big part in this). Lunar Angels sounds a big cheesy, a lot of BA successors use the name style of Angels [something], so Angels Luna is probably more correct.

[Bishoujo]

Edward Marines?

 

Seriously, I think Lunar might be a good choice of word as this could link into their beliefs (I'm guessing the moon might play a big part in this). Lunar Angels sounds a big cheesy, a lot of BA successors use the name style of Angels [something], so Angels Luna is probably more correct.

 

Yeah, I really like Lunar in there somewhere. I want to build fluff around their origins and their planet - and how they have no sun and several moons. Perhaps it is by the Emperor's will alone that a planet that has no sun still receives light through its moons.

 

I agree that Lunar Angels sounds cheesy. Though I'm not a fan of the way Angels Luna sounds either. Hmm...

[Lord_Reven]

restriction preventing me from taking Sanguinary Guard or Death Company (and Death Company Dreads).

 

If you plan on running a Blood Angel succesor, there is no way you can avoid having a death company (fluff wise anyways, for games you can ofc just not use them). The reason being The Flaw, wich makes the poor sods see themselves as Sanginius on the day he fights, and is killed by, Horus.

[Bishoujo]

restriction preventing me from taking Sanguinary Guard or Death Company (and Death Company Dreads).

 

If you plan on running a Blood Angel succesor, there is no way you can avoid having a death company (fluff wise anyways, for games you can ofc just not use them). The reason being The Flaw, wich makes the poor sods see themselves as Sanginius on the day he fights, and is killed by, Horus.

 

Well, one successor was able to remove the effects of The Flaw, though they had some terrible luck (which may or may not have been related).

 

I'm not saying that my chapter has overcome The Flaw, but I'd like to think that they aren't AS heavily affected by both the positives and negatives. They still have issues with the Red Thirst and Black Rage, but not enough for them to regularly field Death Company (thus why I won't field any). As an aside, they also don't have the crazy lifespans that most Blood Angels do either. So, both the negative and positive effects of Sanguinas' gene-seed are somewhat diluted.

 

Also, since my chapter is very much like the calvary of old - coming in unexpected or at a weakened point, moving in quickly and inflicting maximum damage before moving out... The death company would have little value for that style of tactic. The entire purpose of the Death Company is to offer those newly affected by the Black Rage an opportunity at a quick and honorable death in combat. However, charging into Assault isn't something my chapter does intentionally, so sending Death Company into an assault would be pointless, unnecessary, and completely against the tactics that the chapter holds dear. Far from an 'honorable death' as far as my chapter is concerned. So, unfortunately for those marines, anyone who begins to succumb to the effects of the Black Rage are sent to the Tower of the Lost to wait out their remaining days under the watchful eyes of Blood Angels Chaplains.

[Lord_Reven]

Poor sods :cry:

 

Anywho, i dident mean to bash your plan, what you have planned out sounds good. FyI it was the Lamenters who "claimed" they had found a cure for the flaw, but yeah their almost all dead. As for controll of the flaw, i like the way you planned that out. The blood drinkers have gained a large amount of control of the flaw by accepting the red thirst and using it as a part of their rituals (blood rituals ftw). Meh, im ranting, you asked for names and i have some ideas.

 

If you dont like Lunar angels, but want a night theme, how about:

Night Angels

Angels of the Nightfall (Nightfall angels.. something with Nightfall :P)

Twilight Angels / Angels of Twilight

Moon hunters

The Lunar Avengers

 

(Tried comming up with other names for Lunar).

 

P.S. Blood Angels dont live long cuz of the flaw, no Space Marine has ever died of old age. Blood Angels are simply Baddass!

[Bishoujo]

Alrighty! Based on the good feedback in this thread, feedback through PMs, and chatting with some people here and there... I think I've got my core theme.

 

Chapter Name - Angels Nocturna (Angels of the Night)

Planet Name - Nox Aeterna (Eternal Night)

 

For the scheme, I'm sticking with the purple with white/bleached bone/gold as trim. I've decided against the Night Lords iconography (rather, I was talked out of it). Instead, I'll be using some Blood Angels iconography, painting the blood drops purple (or white depending on where it is on the armor).

 

Also, since I wanted to spice up the normal marine heads, I'm going to be ordering the helmet wing bits from Hasslefree miniatures. Don't have a link because I can't pull up .co.uk websites at work today for some reason?

 

Anyways, we can let this thread die and I will start a new thread to work on fleshing out my chapter's background, fluff, etc.

 

Thanks to everyone for the great feedback! :cry:

 

Edit: @ Lord_Reven - You certainly didn't bash my plan. The feedback was good, and helpful. I'll be counting on you to keep me in line when I start writing out my fluff. :P

[Lord_Reven]

Glad i could help :cry:

[Lysimachus]

I'm going to play the army using the Blood Angels codex, and I'm thinking that the chapter should be some sort of Blood Angels successor, or a successor to a Blood Angels successor. From a fluff stand point, I'm thinking that they are not tied too closely to their parent chapter and thus I'll be giving myself a restriction preventing me from taking Sanguinary Guard or Death Company (and Death Company Dreads).

 

One small point to think about... It sounds kind of like you're making these guys BA successors more because you want to use the C:BA when gaming, and less that you want to use their 'special' fluff (Red Thirst, Black Rage, etc) and units. Might it be simpler to use a less complicated gene-seed, Ultra's being the obvious choice? In fluff terms an army that follows the doctrine you mentioned....

 

I imagine the army as a very fast mechanized army. Quick response and lightning fast raids. Lots of Razorbacks, Baal Predators and regular Predators. Not heavy use of Whirlwinds and Vindicators - but having them as 'Fast' using the BA codex fits my theme as well ("We don't use them often, but when we do they have to keep up with the rest of the army").

 

....could easily have come from any of the Legions (with the possible exceptions of the slower IF and Salamanders). If you want to downplay the BA anyway, don't feel your fluff has to be tied down by the game rules system.

 

 

 

N.B. It's possible I'm biased against the BA when it comes to DIY Chapters. I just find it very difficult to make something unique when so much of their character, flaws and resulting tactics are so set in stone; you just can't get away from it! The only BA DIY successor that comes immediately to my mind as really different in the way they handle the curse (and that I therefore really like) is Grey Hunter Ydalir's 'Bloodsworn'.

[Bishoujo]

I guess I really want to use the fast vehicles from the BA dex, as well as Baal predators, as it fits the theme of my chapter.

 

I wonder what is less of a burden on the fluff. Explaining why a blood angels successor doesn't really have death company and sanguinary guard - or explaining why my Ultramarines/Salamanders/whoever successor has fast rhino chassis vehicles as well as a super cool predator variant (the baal predator).

 

Thoughts?

[Lysimachus]

Explaining why a blood angels successor doesn't really have death company

 

This is the difficult bit. Either you go the 23rd Founding route (a la Lamenters) and have to come up with a different curse anyway, or you just flat out cure the Red Thirst/Black Rage and end up being a bit MISS (Me I'm Super Syndrome).

 

explaining why my Ultramarines/Salamanders/whoever successor has fast rhino chassis vehicles as well as a super cool predator variant (the baal predator).

 

To my mind, this is easier. They could have 'borrowed' the designs from a BA successor (perhaps after seeing the technology used victoriously?) or even come up with something very similar on their own (a 'convergent evolution' kind of thing). You just give it a different name. After all, most of the BA stuff is not unique in itself, it's just the way they field/use them. For example, every Chapter has Assault Cannons, they just don't all mount them on Predators, etc, etc.

[Lord_Reven]

Dropping the units would be less of a burden fluff wise, as the lucifer pattern engine is something the blood angels reverse engineered from the baal pred, wich they "stole" from the mechanicum. They are basically a blood angel and CO only.

 

On a side note, you dont actually have to "drop" the units. You can always rename them and rethink their fluff.

Example: One of the roles of a BA chaplain is to lead the death company to the place where they can do the most damage.. soo if you want them to follow your armies tactics there CAN be a fluffy way to make them do so. You CAN rename the sanguinary guard and think up totally new fluff for them.. they can be some special lunar marines :P

Or you can drop them, totally your choise.

[Lord_Reven]

To my mind, this is easier. They could have 'borrowed' the designs from a BA successor (perhaps after seeing the technology used victoriously?)

This is one of the most heavely guarded secrets of the BA and co. The reason being the whole thing with the Mech people.

 

or even come up with something very similar on their own (a 'convergent evolution' kind of thing). You just give it a different name.

TECH-HERESY! This would reeeeally upset the Mech people. The only reason the Blood Angels got away with it is because they found the design pre-heresy, and were legion strength. The chanses of a totally new chapter evolving something like this on their own and getting away with it are, at best, slim.

 

After all, most of the BA stuff is not unique in itself, it's just the way they field/use them. For example, every Chapter has Assault Cannons, they just don't all mount them on Predators, etc, etc.

The special part is the Lucifer (fast) engine, and the flamestorm cannon, wich IS BA only.

[Lysimachus]

This is one of the most heavely guarded secrets of the BA and co. The reason being the whole thing with the Mech people.

 

Techmarine BigSpanner of the Lunar Somethings - "Oh, wow, look! They've put assault/flamestorm cannons on a Predator. I want one!!!"

 

See, they don't need to know the exact specifics of the BA design....

 

TECH-HERESY! This would reeeeally upset the Mech people. The only reason the Blood Angels got away with it is because they found the design pre-heresy, and were legion strength. The chanses of a totally new chapter evolving something like this on their own and getting away with it are, at best, slim.

 

The Predator Annihilator and Land Raider Crusader were both originally created by Chapters (SW and BT, if I remember correctly) who were just playing with the load-out of the vehicles to suit their needs. Other Chapters copied them and eventually the Ad-Mech looked into it and approved the designs for official use. As far as I remember, they didn't have a huge amount of choice, given how quickly the use of them had already spread. Chapters do stuff with their vehicles all the time without any (or very little) regard for what the Ad-Mech thinks. Besides, in the end, what the Ad-Mech doesn't know can't hurt it...

 

The special part is the Lucifer (fast) engine, and the flamestorm cannon, wich IS BA only.

 

Um, how is it different from the Flamestorm cannons mounted on LR Redeemers used by C:SM and C:SW too? (fluffwise anyway, I don't have C:BA to know if the rules are the same?) As to the engine, it's an overcharged version, it's not that hard for someone to come up with an alternative design, the Beelzebub (see what I did there?) fast engine for example.

[pueriexdeus]

Bringing the thread back on topic:

 

Another option is to us an online English to Latin translator. can take a mundane name and well, Latin it up. I use this one but there are others.

 

For example the Moon Angels become; Luna Angelus, spice it up even more Angelus ex Luna = Angels of the Moon. Keep in mind some of the nline translators are not as good as a real dictionary.

 

One of my units DIY Deathwing are known as Those who wait in the dark" Latinise it and "Qui Expecto in Atrum"

 

Let your imagination run wild.

[Ace Debonair]

I guess I really want to use the fast vehicles from the BA dex, as well as Baal predators, as it fits the theme of my chapter.

 

I wonder what is less of a burden on the fluff. Explaining why a blood angels successor doesn't really have death company and sanguinary guard - or explaining why my Ultramarines/Salamanders/whoever successor has fast rhino chassis vehicles as well as a super cool predator variant (the baal predator).

 

Thoughts?

 

Easy. Make an Ultramarine successor, because their geneseed is a blank slate that you can add any mutations you want to, should you in fact want any. :D

 

I'd personally incline towards the giving them the blood-angel-style-tanks, if you've got to pick one method from the above.

Better still, have it so it's only rumoured that the chapter make use of similar modifications, and keep your marines tight-lipped on the matter. ;)

[Lord_Reven]

Techmarine BigSpanner of the Lunar Somethings - "Oh, wow, look! They've put assault/flamestorm cannons on a Predator. I want one!!!"

 

See, they don't need to know the exact specifics of the BA design....

Yeah, I guess the weapon part makes sence.

 

The Predator Annihilator and Land Raider Crusader were both originally created by Chapters (SW and BT, if I remember correctly) who were just playing with the load-out of the vehicles to suit their needs. Other Chapters copied them and eventually the Ad-Mech looked into it and approved the designs for official use. As far as I remember, they didn't have a huge amount of choice, given how quickly the use of them had already spread. Chapters do stuff with their vehicles all the time without any (or very little) regard for what the Ad-Mech thinks. Besides, in the end, what the Ad-Mech doesn't know can't hurt it...

Both the BT and the SW chapters have a huge amount of political suport. They are well known, the two biggest SM chapters, and both patterns were copied by nearly every other SM chapter. The Ad-Mech dident really have a say in the matter. They consider the fast tanks of the BA "stolen" though, and would do just about anything to get their hands on one. But your point about them not knowing and not getting hurt is true i guess.

 

Um, how is it different from the Flamestorm cannons mounted on LR Redeemers used by C:SM and C:SW too? (fluffwise anyway, I don't have C:BA to know if the rules are the same?) As to the engine, it's an overcharged version, it's not that hard for someone to come up with an alternative design, the Beelzebub (see what I did there?) fast engine for example.

Dont have the C:SM or C:SW, but if they have the same name i guess i was wrong and its only the engine thats special. Just "thinking up" a new engine though is not that easy (fluff wise). The BA tech-marines were unable to copy the Baal design over to their other tanks. They tried and failed to copy it. So in the end they had to reverse engineer the tanks engine over to the rhinos and razorbacks. This dident work with the LR cuz it was to big for the engine to make it move faster. So unleas the chapter for some reason has super smart tech-marines, IMHO the fast engines are BA and sucsesors only.

[NightrawenII]

For the scheme, I'm sticking with the purple with white/bleached bone/gold as trim. I've decided against the Night Lords iconography (rather, I was talked out of it). Instead, I'll be using some Blood Angels iconography, painting the blood drops purple (or white depending on where it is on the armor).

This could be helpful.

 

The Predator Annihilator and Land Raider Crusader were both originally created by Chapters (SW and BT, if I remember correctly) who were just playing with the load-out of the vehicles to suit their needs. Other Chapters copied them and eventually the Ad-Mech looked into it and approved the designs for official use. As far as I remember, they didn't have a huge amount of choice, given how quickly the use of them had already spread. Chapters do stuff with their vehicles all the time without any (or very little) regard for what the Ad-Mech thinks. Besides, in the end, what the Ad-Mech doesn't know can't hurt it...

Both the BT and the SW chapters have a huge amount of political suport. They are well known, the two biggest SM chapters, and both patterns were copied by nearly every other SM chapter. The Ad-Mech dident really have a say in the matter. They consider the fast tanks of the BA "stolen" though, and would do just about anything to get their hands on one. But your point about them not knowing and not getting hurt is true i guess.

The Redeemer pattern Land Raider was created by Fire Lords, until this date a unknown Chapter. The Helios pattern Land Raider was invented by Red Scorpions Chapter, another rather unknown Chapter.

 

Um, how is it different from the Flamestorm cannons mounted on LR Redeemers used by C:SM and C:SW too? (fluffwise anyway, I don't have C:BA to know if the rules are the same?) As to the engine, it's an overcharged version, it's not that hard for someone to come up with an alternative design, the Beelzebub (see what I did there?) fast engine for example.

Dont have the C:SM or C:SW, but if they have the same name i guess i was wrong and its only the engine thats special. Just "thinking up" a new engine though is not that easy (fluff wise). The BA tech-marines were unable to copy the Baal design over to their other tanks. They tried and failed to copy it. So in the end they had to reverse engineer the tanks engine over to the rhinos and razorbacks. This dident work with the LR cuz it was to big for the engine to make it move faster. So unleas the chapter for some reason has super smart tech-marines, IMHO the fast engines are BA and sucsesors only.

They didn't failed. "The Overcharged Engines" special rule from the BA pdf codex are proof of that. It is just that the Lucifer engine is more stable and reliable than the previous attempts.

 

Edit: After some thinking, the codex says that BA refuse to give it to the Admech, not to their fellow Astartes. So there is a open way.....