Sisters of Sanguinius

[undeadfilth]

So, here's my idea. I plan on using all Sister of Battle models to represent my Blood Angels force. I already have a tactical squad converted. Essentially what I'm doing is scraping/shaving off the Inquisitorial markings and replacing them with blood drops. Not sure what color to make the blood drops but their armor is red and I'm relatively sure that I'm going to be painting their cloth parts white with a bleached bone finish. Not sure if this idea is really "cool" or not but I really just think that most Space Marine models are really big and bulky(:cussing jump packs are HUGE!)so I'd rather use the smaller and more detailed Sister models. I'm not worried about people in tournaments bitching because the "counts as" rule is very very broad. So long as I represent all upgrades properly I'm sure it'll be all good. Oh, and another thing. Fluff wise my army will be very sparsely populated by males. They will be there pretty much only for heavy lifting, like missile launchers and dangerous things like plasma weaponry. The men are the bitches in my army^.^ Anyways, I have a bunch of Seraphim on the way which will take the place of my assault marines and I also have Repentia and and a Misstress on the way too that will represent my death company with chaplain. Let me know what you all think. Any questions or comments are more than welcome^.^

[Rybnick]

Sounds fun to me, so long as you enjoy the army and your opponent is ok with "counts as" then I say go for it!

[Cpt. Salvatore]

Sisters of battle order that is exceptionally fierce and stuff (i am already making Index for one of these -- okay, enough of self advertising) is okay, I'll even get on with the "counts as" rule here no matter how I hate these...But Female space marine chapter is completely wrong in my opinion, no matter how fluffed out it might be or whatever. Geneseed of Primarch's is sexist and male only, the more the one of Sanguinius, the most handsome guy around...And nobody dare to question Sangy's manliness lest ye be purged by dropping a Land raider on your head from Thunderhawk via Deep strike!

[Isryion]

Sisters of battle order that is exceptionally fierce and stuff (i am already making Index for one of these -- okay, enough of self advertising) is okay, I'll even get on with the "counts as" rule here no matter how I hate these...But Female space marine chapter is completely wrong in my opinion, no matter how fluffed out it might be or whatever. Geneseed of Primarch's is sexist and male only, the more the one of Sanguinius, the most handsome guy around...And nobody dare to question Sangy's manliness lest ye be purged by dropping a Land raider on your head from Thunderhawk via Deep strike!

 

Aren't there a couple of destroyed records of some of the original chapters foundings, and aren't there lost foundings as well? Or, maybe that's why Angels Sanguine (I think it's them, right) always wear their helmets?.....

[spu00sed]

I would just make it a sister convent that venerates the sangy.

 

I would go for black armour with red gems and silver highlights.

 

The other option is to have a sister convent support a marine chapter.

 

So the marines provide assault marines and devastators whilst he sisters provide the rank and file.

 

The sisters believe that their faith is rewarded with the Emperors angels decending on wings of fire, or smiting his enemies from afar.

 

The marines know that they have too few men to fight so use the sisters as rank and file to absorb the enemies fire.

 

Over time the two start working more and more closely together and start sharing a common colour scheme.

[Cpt. Salvatore]

I would just make it a sister convent that venerates the sangy.

 

I would go for black armour with red gems and silver highlights.

 

The other option is to have a sister convent support a marine chapter.

 

So the marines provide assault marines and devastators whilst he sisters provide the rank and file.

 

The sisters believe that their faith is rewarded with the Emperors angels decending on wings of fire, or smiting his enemies from afar.

 

The marines know that they have too few men to fight so use the sisters as rank and file to absorb the enemies fire.

 

Over time the two start working more and more closely together and start sharing a common colour scheme.

 

Now that is a claim that I would support,yes.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

I would just make it a sister convent that venerates the sangy.

 

I would go for black armour with red gems and silver highlights.

 

The other option is to have a sister convent support a marine chapter.

 

So the marines provide assault marines and devastators whilst he sisters provide the rank and file.

 

The sisters believe that their faith is rewarded with the Emperors angels decending on wings of fire, or smiting his enemies from afar.

 

The marines know that they have too few men to fight so use the sisters as rank and file to absorb the enemies fire.

 

Over time the two start working more and more closely together and start sharing a common colour scheme.

The "Male only" requirement for Space Marines was up until very recently,never stated in anything other then white dwarf. That being said..I personally think its ridiculous to have it be male only. That being said,I think that your idea and the way your presenting it is..a bit over the top. Specifically treating the male members the way you have described. I think that you should make the duties and roles at least,equally spread between the two. Other then that bit,I think the idea is neat.

 

And worry not Cpt. Salvatore...No one would ever point out that the only real difference between the Sons of Sanguinius and Sisters of Battle is that the Sons of Sanguinius's hair is longer and often maintained better.

[spu00sed]

My split was based on a chapter short on man power having a load of crazy power armoured women follwing them.

 

Make the caries hold the center and take the brunt of fighting (count as tacticals).

 

Whilst the marines deal with enemies at range (devies). Or hit critical parts of the enemy line (assault marines), in keeping with the stories of them being avenging angels.

 

Another spin would be marines leading squads of sisters, spreading out their wisdom across the entire army.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

My split was based on a chapter short on man power having a load of crazy power armoured women follwing them.

 

Make the caries hold the center and take the brunt of fighting (count as tacticals).

 

Whilst the marines deal with enemies at range (devies). Or hit critical parts of the enemy line (assault marines), in keeping with the stories of them being avenging angels.

 

Another spin would be marines leading squads of sisters, spreading out their wisdom across the entire army.

I should make it clear that my statement prior to this was directed at the original poster. Your idea honestly seems to make far more sense,though I would try and spread out a few female models into the specialized squads to represent unusually talented or capable individuals. To my mind that would be a bit more realistic representation. The first example of something like this that comes to mind is the later Gaunt's Ghost's novels..Where the Tanith have gotten reinforced by surviving fighters from the Hive World they saved,including Women. And how they slowly worked their way into all of the units,even into the scout squads (the most prestigious of the Tanith)

[Marshal Rohr]

Please god, someone call a mod. This thread needs to feel an infernus pistol.

[Cpt. Salvatore]

And worry not Cpt. Salvatore...No one would ever point out that the only real difference between the Sons of Sanguinius and Sisters of Battle is that the Sons of Sanguinius's hair is longer and often maintained better.

 

--gets a thunderhawk ready and loaded with a few Land Raiders just to make sure if one scatters to far away--

 

Now, the real reply:

Yeah, I cannot support my claim by any cannon quoting,I confess. But still,if it was Female availiable, wouldn't there be some female marines in the cannon? Or once more,the sisters made marines instead letting them die with S3/T3? I just do not believe that, the less with the fact that has so many times been agreed upon and that is the fact that W40k universe is mostly sexism-free.

 

Also,the Idea of sister army with SM sergeants is kinda cool but it, in my opinion cannot be justified as usage of BA dex.

 

All in all, in my opinion no combination of SoB and BA dex is viable, due to the basic things like that aforementioned S/T difference...Only thing that is getting to me is chaos as it can explain almost everything...but then,why BA dex and not chaos one right?

[Requiem of the Wolf]

And worry not Cpt. Salvatore...No one would ever point out that the only real difference between the Sons of Sanguinius and Sisters of Battle is that the Sons of Sanguinius's hair is longer and often maintained better.

 

--gets a thunderhawk ready and loaded with a few Land Raiders just to make sure if one scatters to far away--

 

Now, the real reply:

Yeah, I cannot support my claim by any cannon quoting,I confess. But still,if it was Female availiable, wouldn't there be some female marines in the cannon? Or once more,the sisters made marines instead letting them die with S3/T3? I just do not believe that, the less with the fact that has so many times been agreed upon and that is the fact that W40k universe is mostly sexism-free.

 

Also,the Idea of sister army with SM sergeants is kinda cool but it, in my opinion cannot be justified as usage of BA dex.

 

All in all, in my opinion no combination of SoB and BA dex is viable, due to the basic things like that aforementioned S/T difference...Only thing that is getting to me is chaos as it can explain almost everything...but then,why BA dex and not chaos one right?

--Waits patiently to either play skeet shoot with the Thunderhawk,or to watch the Landraiders explode on contact if they speed too fast to shoot----

Like I said,up until recently it wasn't in canon anywhere or even printed anywhere but in white dwarf. The fact that while in the fictional world,sexism itself may be gone,some of the pieces that world is based around,are clearly sexist. Such as "The greatest warriors of mankind" only being able to be male.

 

Now...If a person wants to ignore that piece of canon as it has ZERO impact on actual gameplay, the question becomes "Who gives a damn?" Now...It could as easily be said that it is nothing more then tradition that has prevented women from being implanted with the geneseed. And in a situation where there isn't another option,tradition could easily be thrown out the window.

 

Now,by the rules of the sisters of battle codex,Blood angels are allowed to take Blood Angel allies.

[Cpt. Salvatore]

...Now,by the rules of the sisters of battle codex,Blood angels are allowed to take Blood Angel allies.

 

Given that it was a typo and you meant BA are allowed to take SOB as allies, then:

 

In my eyes, that exactly nailed the head. You want sisters? Ally them. But for Emperor's sake, do not make them counts as. It is lame. Allies make perfectly for most of the ideas that are here.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Be prepared to be on the receiving end of a lot of complaints & snide remarks. 40k background does not support female Marines in any way at all. It's a lot of work for an army that will naturally receive lots of criticism. The only way you could even remotely make this plausible is if your army came from a parallel universe.

 

0b :tu:

[Loki73]

Dont listen to the fluff nazzies. I say go for it! Just make sure your stuff is wysiwyg. Then its all good.

[Cpt. Salvatore]

Dont listen to the fluff nazzies. I say go for it! Just make sure your stuff is wysiwyg. Then its all good.

 

It's MISTER fluff NAZI for you.One Z:D

[undeadfilth]

wow, alot of replies since my nap:P anyways I'm pretty dead set on it so hopefully pics will sway most of you over to my side^.^ I dunno why but marine models really just bug me, but sisters are gorgeous models. love the rules and fluff for BA but not too big on sister rules. I plan on writing extensive fluff about my army and will probably post it later along with pics.

[Priest33]

Females cant be enhanced to the state of a Marine unless they grow a pair. Testostarone is the reasion Marines are built like they are and the reasion women cant become one... Unless it was a YYX woman but they are rare as hell. The whole process burns testostarone like its going out of fashion unill theres nothing left. By this stage hopefuly the male has gone through the process if not they die as their body cant handle the change.

 

Please tell me how the process could be replicated in a female.

 

Fluff said its your army mate do what you want but I believe the Sisters of Battle have their place in the game and if you want to use their modles then use them, their rules are great to boot.

[Cpt. Salvatore]

Females cant be enhanced to the state of a Marine unless they grow a pair. Testostarone is the reasion Marines are built like they are and the reasion women cant become one... Unless it was a YYX woman but they are rare as hell. The whole process burns testostarone like its going out of fashion unill theres nothing left. By this stage hopefuly the male has gone through the process if not they die as their body cant handle the change.

 

Please tell me how the process could be replicated in a female.

 

Fluff said its your army mate do what you want but I believe the Sisters of Battle have their place in the game and if you want to use their modles then use them, their rules are great to boot.

 

Despite you have a heretical avatar...applause to you. You given my opinions words.

[Morticon]

Please god, someone call a mod. This thread needs to feel an infernus pistol.

 

Mod here.

But, I dont see why. Theres nothing wrong with this thread.

 

 

However, as is the regular warning for all femme marine threads, lets not talk about how it works and keep focusing on how you're going to do it.

 

 

So - no more discussion of whats possible and not possible in an imaginary world, thanks. It only leads to sadness, tears and melta.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Females cant be enhanced to the state of a Marine unless they grow a pair. Testostarone is the reasion Marines are built like they are and the reasion women cant become one... Unless it was a YYX woman but they are rare as hell. The whole process burns testostarone like its going out of fashion unill theres nothing left. By this stage hopefuly the male has gone through the process if not they die as their body cant handle the change.

 

Please tell me how the process could be replicated in a female.

 

Fluff said its your army mate do what you want but I believe the Sisters of Battle have their place in the game and if you want to use their modles then use them, their rules are great to boot.

This is again,fluff that was not stated as canon until recently But it is now canon so should be treated as such. Now,the point about the YYX woman is a actual documented thing,and while it is rare on EARTH,it is entirely possible that their is a entire planet of them somewhere out there in the 40k universe. You could even say that the rejection rate for this procedure is 10 times as bad as for men...However...if your Chapter is situated in a position where they can't get anyone else..Then they would do what they had to do to ensure the survival of the Chapter as a whole. You could explain that the army you are fielding is all that is left of the entire chapter,due to the high rejection rate..But still...you could do that. Your chapter's recruiting ground could be a world of Hermaphrodites for all that it is anyone elses business....You could even say that by mutation in the basic genes,its the Men that feed the newborns instead of the women. As stated in Canon,there is a ratio of One Space Marine,Per Planet in the Imperium. So yes...there is plenty of oppurtunity for you to come up with reasons why you have female Space Marines.

 

My advice however would be to have a Planet where it is YYX and YYY as a standard for instance. Maybe their Ancestors tinkered with their genetic structure to help them survive on a planet that either IS a death world,or is pretty close to it. But the men on that planet,due to the extra chromosome,have a 1000% increased chance of homicidal behavior then normal,along with genetic predisposition to Psychotic behavior and all sorts of other unpleasant social behaviors (also documented fact about the triple Y chromosome male) So the population is kept at a Artificially controlled 90% Female/10% male. The next step would be having your Chapter have this planet as their recruitment ground. Reasons for that are possibly your chapter is an offshoot that was lost,almost wiped out,thought destroyed,Believed by the Inquisition to be renegades...who knows maybe your chapter is Renegage but not Chaos. All sorts of possibilities...The key for you is to find one that sounds appealing,and work out why it is the way it is.

 

Nothing in Canon states that this situation couldn't work...Unlikely yes. But as long as it is Possible,then your Chapter could be the one that it happened to. I had allready considered the Idea of the YYX gene for having a couple female Space Wolves,But for me I hate working on conversions in metal,so till they make plastic Sisters I will not have any in my Army. Once they do,yeah...I will have a couple. Not many...Not treated any different..and anyone that objects can in the slightly amended words of Bender "Bite my shiny ceramite-plated *Censored by Inquisition*"

[BrotherMoses]

I don't see why people get all worked up over female space marines. We know that fluffwise its impossible, but why does it always cause such a negative reaction?

[Morticon]

Brother Moses- maybe a question for another thread.

[Vel'Cona]

Isn't there already a red Battle Sisters paint scheme? You'll have to make sure to differentiate your models carefully from that existing scheme to assure your opponents will know what you're using. All in all, I'd say "Sisters of Sanguinius" is probably the more respectful name for this chapter, as opposed to "Brides of Sanguinius" or something like that. Now that I think about it, wasn't "Brides of the Emperor" one of the original titles for the Battle Sisters (ie. back in the Reign of Blood era)?

[Brother Nathan]

I like the idea of sisters of sanguinius, with the blood drops etc. after all sanguinius is loved throughout the imperium, there is a feast day throughout the imperium in his name.so theres bound to be a sisterhood founded in his example. simply love the idea. However take that and play it using the blood angels codex.... that me no likey. Feels like undivided using our codex, only worse. So id be against it. Like say you went to your local store and they ask you what army do you play, how do you reply, blood angels or sisters etc. its not like the game aint complicated enough with all the armys and stats and charts and rules etc never mind mistakes and obmissions etc without really confusing it in yet another compleately unnessary way. Why not use the thema normal witch hunters? I find their codex is still completative and balanced and although old its still good.