Chaos/Renegade Sororitas?

[TheGodEmperor]

1. Have any Sororitas orders ever turned to Chaos or simply told the Emperor to "get bent" and go renegade?

2. Would it be feasable to create a renegade/chaos SOB'S order? I.e would it make sense?

[Judanas]

1. There has been one ever. She went chaos. That's it. There has been some that unknowing worked for chaos but no others willingly.

 

2. Not really. As answer 1 said, there has been one fallen to chaos. She would make a hell of a cool chaos sorcerer or chaos lord but there are simply not enough for a squad, let alone an army.

[Mud Duck]

1. As Judanas states, just one has fallen to Chaos.

2. Sure, Go for it. Fluff it out to say that a fallen Priest or the Word Bearers or that one fallen Sister or just someone thought that it would be a good idea to start a convent of warrior women dedicated to the gods of Chaos. Change the names on the acts of faith to something more "Chaosey" And don't just go pure Slaanesh army. It's been done to death and really (IMHO) lack creativity...

[Panzerkopf]

I remember hearing about her. Didn't they even give her name?

[Bishoujo]

Well, from a fluff standpoint, having a bunch of Sisters of Battle fall to Chaos isn't particularly believable. That being said, if you want to model an army like this, go for it.

 

Another option, assuming you're wanting to run Sisters models in a chaos army, is that they don't HAVE to be fallen sisters. I mean, chaos has many minions and cultists, and I'm willing to bet that there are females amongst those followers of the ruinous powers. They could always just be female followers of Tzeentch, or Slaneesh, or whoever - who have power armor. Who's to say that a giant mob of frenzied female followers of Khorne couldn't swarm a group of Sisters and take the armor and equipment by force.

 

I'd say Female Chaos followers in power armor makes more sense than Fallen Sisters - and it won't anger the fluff nazi's either. ;)

[Drukawski]

having a bunch of Sisters of Battle fall to Chaos isn't particularly believable

 

<sarcasm>

I totally agree, giant 8' tall genetically engineered super soldiers with nuclear reactors strapped to their backs traveling the stars armed with rocket rifles, motorcycles, and laser cannons fighting aliens, mutants, and the general dregs of a fallen human society that spans the entire galaxy... THATS believable, but a relatively small splinter group of military folk going rogue, or staging a coup? Unheard of!!!

</sarcasm>

 

The fact of the matter is GW put the fluff in YOUR hands, they just set the stage for you to use as you see fit. You want chaos sisters? I say why the hell not! You could say their background was buried in lost tomes, or maybe the Grey Knights purged all accounts from accepted history. Maybe exposure to some disease or psychic influence corrupted them? Or some warp borne entity snagged their ship on route to some emergency. Heck, you don't even HAVE to fully account for your contradiction of current published fluff; instead say they were sent back through time, or maybe they are just sisters from the alternate universe where everyone has a mustache and is evil. It wouldn't take but a bit of imagination to fluff your army into believability. The real problem is going to be deciding what rules to use with your "count-as" army. If you use sisters rules then you just have to accept that their chaos taint wont be represented on the board in any real way other than paint and customizations. If you use chaos marines or chaos daemons rules then your not going to really see the sisters side of things represented too well, i.e no faith. That being said, if your gaming group agrees to it you could always sit down and write your own rules for non-tournament use.

 

Have fun, don't take it too seriously, and at the end of the day just remember... their only little toy soldiers. <_<

[TheGodEmperor]

Thanks guys. I wasn't planning on an SOB army, just wanted to know if and how it could be done as I don't know too much about SOB fluff. Cheers.

[The emperors chosen]

having a bunch of Sisters of Battle fall to Chaos isn't particularly believable

 

<sarcasm>

I totally agree, giant 8' tall genetically engineered super soldiers with nuclear reactors strapped to their backs traveling the stars armed with rocket rifles, motorcycles, and laser cannons fighting aliens, mutants, and the general dregs of a fallen human society that spans the entire galaxy... THATS believable, but a relatively small splinter group of military folk going rogue, or staging a coup? Unheard of!!!

</sarcasm>

 

The fact of the matter is GW put the fluff in YOUR hands, they just set the stage for you to use as you see fit. You want chaos sisters? I say why the hell not! You could say their background was buried in lost tomes, or maybe the Grey Knights purged all accounts from accepted history. Maybe exposure to some disease or psychic influence corrupted them? Or some warp borne entity snagged their ship on route to some emergency. Heck, you don't even HAVE to fully account for your contradiction of current published fluff; instead say they were sent back through time, or maybe they are just sisters from the alternate universe where everyone has a mustache and is evil. It wouldn't take but a bit of imagination to fluff your army into believability. The real problem is going to be deciding what rules to use with your "count-as" army. If you use sisters rules then you just have to accept that their chaos taint wont be represented on the board in any real way other than paint and customizations. If you use chaos marines or chaos daemons rules then your not going to really see the sisters side of things represented too well, i.e no faith. That being said, if your gaming group agrees to it you could always sit down and write your own rules for non-tournament use.

 

Have fun, don't take it too seriously, and at the end of the day just remember... their only little toy soldiers. :D

the thing is, GW has clearly said there has only ever been 1 sister to fall to chaos,ever. GW doesn't set a lot of things in stone, but somethings are. You could have them be tricked into working for chaos, but they would not willingly serve chaos.

[daboarder]

look this is one instance where I think the GW fluff is clearly insufficient. If the original primarchs could turn against their own father then its more than possible for a bunch of religous women who have never met him to have doubts and therein lies the path to damnation. Not just that but quite frankly it is FAR to good a narrative oportunity to let slip, every body loves a story where the bad guy wasn't always a bad guy. I'll be the among the first to say that female marines strikes the wrong cord but fallen SOB comepletly fits the flavour of the 40k galaxy.

[Judanas]

*Sigh*

 

Here we go again...

 

Except for the fact that it goes completely against one of thier points of pride. They have nigh-incorrupability as one of thier defining traits.

 

There has been a fallen Sister but only one. Miriael Sabathiel is a lonely solo Chaos sister.

[Lone Scout]

LOL you people are funny...why get so.....authoritive? If you can write a bit of fluff that says they turn to the dark side so be it. Yes they have acts of faith but there are many faiths in the 41st millanium.

I wouldn't simply paint them purple and say they are chaos but a bit of flair and forethought and I think it would be a wicked army.

Most important thing is it is YOUR army, people shouldn't judge too harshly those with outside the square imagination. :P

[Kizzdougs]

I'm sure that if you wanted you could justify an army of fallen SOBs. If the promarchs fell to chaos i'm fairly positive a mere marotal would not prove any more resistant.

 

Look at Lorgar the most ardent and devoted worshiper of the Emperor. If chaos can bend him to their cause what chance do the SOBs have. Horus was the Emperors favoured son and yet with the tempting of chaos he fell just like anyone else.

Fulgrim was completely loyal and yet he was corrupted by the influence of a Daemon weapon.

 

If the SOBs were isolated from their sisters or felt they had been abandoned by the Emperor i'm sure chaos would love to corrupt them. Its always funner watching the high and mighty fall.

 

The AL and the WB would be able to sway the sisters especially if they were separated from the res of their order.

The AL infiltrated a SM chapter and turned it against its self. Maybe the sisters arn't quite grand enough a target? After all we all know how much the AL enjoy humiliating the Astartes.

[Artein]

Fallen Sisters are something as common as Imperial Orks or Tyraninds working for the Greater Good. One sister? Sure, write an amazing story and it can be done. One unit? Maybe, probably impossible. Whole army? No way.

[ArmouredWing]

Fallen Sisters are something as common as Imperial Orks or Tyraninds working for the Greater Good. One sister? Sure, write an amazing story and it can be done. One unit? Maybe, probably impossible. Whole army? No way.

Well, what's to say that any of those examples aren't possible?

 

Way, waaaaayyyy back in the mists of time there was such a thing as an 'imperial' ork force. If my memory serves me right the Blood Axez were the cross over between imperial forces and orks (including being able to field imperial vehicles and equipped with imperial weapons) and could be fielded as allies to the imperium. So not a great stretch to the imagination by any means.

 

Tyranids working for the greater good? So no 'documented' cases of this happening but given the Tau's penchant for using other Xenos species to fight their battles and the fact that they have pretty advanced technologies if anyone could harness the tyranids and use them as a weapon my money would be on the Tau (also considering their lack of presence in the warp too).

 

So to my mind fallen sisters are a very real possibility in the 40K universe. If one can fall then it means they are susceptable, however unlikely that may seem to be and if it did happen the ecclesiarchy would work very hard to cover any evidence of the event happening in the first place. Sisters are human and they are fanatics and that's what can be used to turn them, a somewhat similar strategy used by Goge Vandire.

 

So can sisters fall? The answer is a definite yes. Is it probable? No, but it is entirely possible.

[boreas]

My bottom line is this: if you're doing fanfic, it has better be very very good. If you're building an army to play, they are you models and you can do whatever you please with them.

 

In both case, post the results here!!!

 

Phil

[WarInHeaven]

2 words: Dornian Heresy!

 

if entire titan legions (not to mention the good-to-shoes Sallys) followed Dorn to Chaos, i'm sure some of the Emperor's Daughters followed him

 

that's the excuse i'm using anyway

[GodwynDi]

Having an excuse does not make a thing right.

 

Primarchs and other SM are not an adequate example of why SoB falling to Chaos is "reasonable." None of them follow the Emperor as a God, they looked upon him as a father. There is a distinct difference there. The defining characteristic of SM is as soldiers. The defining characteristic of SoB is their Faith.

 

The only one to fall was corrupted directly by Slaanesh. So yes, more could fall if they Chaos Gods really bothered to put forth the effort, but I doubt they care enough, or really have the spare time and energy to do so.

 

And people are overlooking that being tricked into doing something is NOT the same as falling to the worship of Chaos. Tzeentch probably tricks and benefits from the actions of a majority of the Imperium. That does not make any particular instance of that WORSHIP of Tzeentch. Khorne takes pleasure in all bloodshed, Sisters purging a group of cultists is not worshiping Khorne, even if Khorne enjoys the death. That is a distinction that must be understood.

[Kizzdougs]

"None of the Primarchs worshiped the Emperor"..... WHAT!

Lorgar was the most devout worshiper the Emperor ever had. It just goes to show how the most zealous can fall.

If the sisters felt rejected the way Lorgar did, i think it would be entirely possible for them to find new, more caring masters

 

This discusion is just like the one regarding the SW that is currently running.

No hardcore fan is going to accept that their favourite army could fall to the might of chaos.

[Judanas]

More along the lines that were are agruing that it is nigh-impossible for a Sister to fall to Chaos, as evidenced by the fact that only one has.

 

Much better than the Space Marines and thier 50% fall rate.

 

See 'fireborn' for a good example of what the Sisters are like. I just finished listening to it.

[Chengar Qordath]

More along the lines that were are agruing that it is nigh-impossible for a Sister to fall to Chaos, as evidenced by the fact that only one has.

 

Much better than the Space Marines and thier 50% fall rate.

Very true; I'm reasonably sure it has been stated somewhere in official fluff that standard Space Marines are actually more vulnerable to Chaos than the average human being, especially before the changes spawned by the Horus Heresy.

[Zode]

Oh come on, "the rightous can never fall" my ass. It is in no way inconcevable that a group of sisters could have some reason for turning their backs to the emperor. Jedi's fall to the dark side, the Kingpriest in Dragonlance caused the cataclysm and Catholic priests have molested young boys. The rightous have fallen to evil by misstep or by design for as long as there have been good and evil. Judas betrayed Jesus, do you really think a Cannoness somewhere out in a practically endless universe can't turn on her god and convince her sisters to do the same?

 

As long as you write a convincing back story then I think it's a great idea to have an army of sisters who went bad. It adds flavor to your gaming group and gives you a chance to play with a different set of allies.

[Obliterator]

Sisters of Battle are about the most devout of the God-Emperor's servants. Ruthlessly indoctrinated by a regime that will not accept the slightest deviation from Imperial religions and/or laws, they are about the most fanatical soldiers you're likely to encounter in the entire Imperium of Man.

 

But can they sway from this rightuous path? Yes! After all, they're 'only' human. Sure, it's not likely they will reject the Emperor and give in to Chaos, but given the right leverage, even the most pious heads can look for other idols. On distant planets, isolated from the influence a God-Emperor that has never been seen, people will follow men/gods that walk among them rather then wait for miracles that will never occur.

 

The fact that only one Sister has been known to reject the Emperor proves nothing! After all, this is the Inquisition, we're not known for our open communication culture. If a subject has been found lacking, it will be removed from this civilisation, any trace of its existence wiped away. Entire fleets stand ready at the command of agents of His Holy Inquisition, prepared to wipe out planets if a taint has been found.

 

Can you field corrupted Sisters on the battlefield? Sure, after all, it's your army. But I'd keep an eye on the shadows, a blade in the dark could end the taint of heresy before it has the chance to spread :) .

[Seahawk]

There has been a fallen Sister but only one. Miriael Sabathiel is a lonely solo Chaos sister

There was that, plus a whole half a convent or more. They listened too much to what a Keeper of Secrets had to say...

[Librarian R. Zreiker]

]There was that, plus a whole half a convent or more. They listened too much to what a Keeper of Secrets had to say...

 

Black Library doesn't count, otherwise where is this fluff?

 

Sister Maryse: You know, I don't think The God-Emperor is so hip anymore.

Sister Betty: Ya know what? Me too!

Sister Penny: For the Emperor! Die heretics! *Kills Maryse and Betty with flamer*

[Panzerkopf]

]There was that, plus a whole half a convent or more. They listened too much to what a Keeper of Secrets had to say...

 

Black Library doesn't count, otherwise where is this fluff?

 

Sister Maryse: You know, I don't think The God-Emperor is so hip anymore.

Sister Betty: Ya know what? Me too!

Sister Penny: For the Emperor! Die heretics! *Kills Maryse and Betty with flamer*

 

That's exactly why I think Sisters don't fall! It's not that they're incorruptible, but that they're so good at policing their own that the ones who do are quietly cleaned up before they can get far. It also bears mentioning that Space Marines are much more independent as an organization than the Sororitas and operate without any supervision from anyone. Whereas, through their close cooperation with the Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy, Sisters have lots of eyes on them.