Defiler Question

[rahl07]

Okay, guys, I'm new to the forums and 40k. I'm running a 1750 Point list, and it seems to be competetive so far.

 

I have a question about my two defilers in particular.

 

I have them as the base model, +Havoc Missiles for 5pts, +TL Lascannon for +20pts, I think it is. My question is this:

Can I fire all three weapons in my shooting phase, or must i make a choice between firing my heavy torso-mounted cannon and the side "arm" guns? The heavy gun in Ordnance, and there was some muddiness to the rules.

 

Thanks for your help,

 

Rahl

[the jeske]

no. that is why defilers are run with 2 extra hth weapons

[CuznP]

Indeed you must choose. I tend to go with the extra close combat weapons for that reason.

[Wolfsrage]

There really isn't any "mudiness" to the rules.

 

If you fire an Ordnance weapon, you cannot fire any other weapons that turn.

[rahl07]

I appreciate the responses. To the above, I don't have the rulebook but our little group does. Where the muddiness came from was someone else trying to explain it to me :) . So, I 2 CCW's seems to be the choice. Do you guys just buy the bits for another of those tentacle-monster hands or did you make your own?

[Man Behind The Curtain]

There are many ways to make extra close combat weapons for your defilers some successful...some not so much

 

there is buying 2 defilers and putting both tentacle arms on one defiler

 

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z139/kroegerm/Slaughterfiends/DSCN1005.jpg

 

works pretty well

 

there is dreadnaught closecombat weapons from forgeworld

 

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z139/kroegerm/Slaughterfiends/Image002.jpg

 

...hmmm not so good

 

then there is using parts from a soulgrinder kit

 

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z139/kroegerm/Slaughterfiends/DSCN1009.jpg

 

just right ;)

the soulgrinder comes with a spare defiler claw and a spare sword or pincer peeeeeerrrrfect

 

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z139/kroegerm/Slaughterfiends/DSCN1006.jpg

[Spacefrisian]

Or go wild and build them like this.

 

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Spacefrisian/IMG_3227.jpg

Now its feet also count as Dread ccw.

[SquirrelKing]

you know, I like that.

 

Big ass two-legged deamon engine.

 

Stealing it! :)

[Brother RedAxe]

I had thought about doing that but as a quadrapedal. I took the flail and used it on my Dred so I don't have it to use anymore mabey or my next one I will give it a try.

[rahl07]

Thanks for all the conversion suggestions, and some great work. I like the optimus prime-esque bipedals. Only problem is they stick out a lot. bullet magnets >.<

[Brother Kovash]

Or go wild and build them like this.

 

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Spacefrisian/IMG_3227.jpg

Now its feet also count as Dread ccw.

 

Doing this allows your opponent to hit them from pretty much anywhere on the field. Bad choice in my opinion.

[SquirrelKing]

let's be honest, a defiler is a pretty big model already.

 

If you can't see it at all normally, then you are using very big terrain! :sweat:

 

This wouldn't concern me overmuch.

 

Plus now it's the best fire magnet out there, how can you not shoot at it? Gives the rest of your army a free pass :P

[thousandsons]

Or go wild and build them like this.

 

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Spacefrisian/IMG_3227.jpg

Now its feet also count as Dread ccw.

 

 

 

STOLEN!!!!

[minigun762]

As for weapons, the Reaper AC isn't a bad option as a backup to the BC if you play against alot of low AV vehicles like Raiders or Speeders because it out-performs the BC against those targets.

[Spacefrisian]

Or go wild and build them like this.

 

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Spacefrisian/IMG_3227.jpg

Now its feet also count as Dread ccw.

 

Doing this allows your opponent to hit them from pretty much anywhere on the field. Bad choice in my opinion.

 

 

I use actual size for shooting from and at it, actual size being on its middle.

[Brother Nihm]

Or go wild and build them like this.

 

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Spacefrisian/IMG_3227.jpg

Now its feet also count as Dread ccw.

 

Doing this allows your opponent to hit them from pretty much anywhere on the field. Bad choice in my opinion.

 

 

I use actual size for shooting from and at it, actual size being on its middle.

That is against the rules though. If any part of the legs, arms, torso or head is visible, it's a legit target for shooting attacks.

 

They do however look awesome like that.

[Librarian R. Zreiker]

The sad thing is that in my area, alot of the terrain that hides my normal defiler can hide a bipedal defiler. So woot for bipedal defilers, yeah!

[Dark Mechanicum]

Hell, i'm considering using the Blood Slaughterer and Blight Drone from FW as "counts as" Chaos Dreads for a Dark Mech army and one flies so it is fun to see kickass conversions.

[the jeske]

The sad thing is that in my area, alot of the terrain that hides my normal defiler can hide a bipedal defiler. So woot for bipedal defilers, yeah!

 

am cerious , how do your opponents deal with the fact that a four/six legged defiler doesnt see troops behind a rhino and a tall one does ?

[Spacefrisian]

They do however look awesome like that.

 

 

I'am lucky to possess a Hardcover rulebook.

 

p16

[Librarian R. Zreiker]

am cerious , how do your opponents deal with the fact that a four/six legged defiler doesnt see troops behind a rhino and a tall one does ?

 

Depends where you place the cannon. :(

I also haven't made a bipedal defiler, yet.

[David the Despoiler]

Actually, vehicle wise, it's all about the main chasis. So technically speaking, the torso is the main chasis of the "walker," meaning that that is the spot you need to be able to draw LoS to.

[Brother Nihm]

Actually, vehicle wise, it's all about the main chasis. So technically speaking, the torso is the main chasis of the "walker," meaning that that is the spot you need to be able to draw LoS to.

Hull or turret. p. 60 iirc.

[Dark Mechanicum]

Wow, this just came up with Stormravens earlier today, that is funny.

[Brother Nihm]

Wow, this just came up with Stormravens earlier today, that is funny.

Do you have a link for that and does it pertain to this discussion?