I suck...!

[Coverfire]

Its usually just this one guy, and I mean no disrespect to him at all; but since he doesn't play against many

opponents, he views the rules as written or as his world perspective see how they should be. For Example the

question above with Frag Grenades. His argument was that they are well trained soldiers that would be able to

benefit as the enemy will still be taking cover from grenades even if it wasn't from all the models in the unit.

 

These rules disputes can be quite lengthy and exhausting. If he had the time to come to the wargaming club

during the week he might get a handle on what is generally accepted. My knowledge of the rulebook isn't vast

enough and find everything.

 

and too much of the time, it is the same rule or spin on the rule as the last game, which he thinks I did it differently

three games ago and I don't remember exactly that moment or situation so can only start again from the top.

[Grey Mage]

Write it down.

 

My gaming group has a living FAQ- that way we can go back and say "how did we do this the last time it cropped up?" and usually we throw in cliff notes on WHY we did it like that too.

 

Or, find a better partner to regain your hold on everything with.

[Coverfire]

Funny you should say that I just came to that conclusion myself like 1.5 minutes ago when I picked up the rulebook

 

should have thought of it sooner, a brilliant idea!

[TiguriusX]

Nothing wrong with newer players or rusty players taking time with the rules again. Let your opponent know before you play and it should be fine.

 

And don't ever roll over just because someone is spouting rules at you. There are people who cheat by bluffing rules.

[Black2Jack1]

I just played my friend who uses alot of Khorne Bezerkers. I found that my Grey Hunters got crushed while holding objectives in cover even with the I1 on the KB. 5 Thunder Hammer/SS Wolf Guard obliterated his two scoring units towards the end of the game. Of course I took a big gamble dumping those points into the Land Raider and the Wolf Guard, but who doesn't like to gamble?

 

It was a 1250 Point game.

[Black2Jack1]

A normal vehicle can fire 1 gun while moving 6", the vindicator is no exception- ordnance can fire on the move.

 

There was a dispute over this when playing against a ORK Army. So no matter the weapon as long as 6" was the move it can fire?

[Grey Mage]

Yes. Its really that simple. The downside for ordnance is that you then dont subtract your BS score *wich for some of us is quite high* from the scatter roll.

[Valerian]

Funny you should say that I just came to that conclusion myself like 1.5 minutes ago when I picked up the rulebook

 

should have thought of it sooner, a brilliant idea!

Coverfire,

 

I've got some "back to the basics" recommendations/guidance in my blog. Here is the URL (I'm having trouble linking to it with my iPhone.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...;showentry=5838

 

In addition to the advice in the blog, reread the Rulebook. Go through it with a highlighter and tabs. Get to know it like you are studying for a Masters Degree in 40k. Spend some time over in the Official Rules forum to see what the big issues are, what the common questions are, and what the consensus answers are, too. After you play, do a quick After Action Review- figure out what went right, what went wrong and why.

 

V

[WG Vrox]

Yes. Its really that simple. The downside for ordnance is that you then don't subtract your BS score *which for some of us is quite high* from the scatter roll.

 

A bit confused on this statement Grey. A Vindicator fires a ordnance weapon and uses the large blast marker which confirms it is a blast type weapon thus uses a scatter roll to determine if it hits. Under the blast rule it states if the firing unit has LOS to its target it is able to subtract it's BS. No where in the Ordnance rule does it say that they do not get the benefit of the BS modifier if they have LOS to their target.

 

Now in the Ordnance Barrage weapon section you do not get the benefit of the BS modifier if the firing unit can not see its target. Maybe this is where you are getting the no BS modifier statement. This also suggests that if the firing unit can see it's target, they use the BS modifier regardless of direct or indirect fire. The negative of firing indirectly is they are not able to move, the positive is they are able to fire at a target they are not able to see.

 

Vrox.

[Wildfire]

Part of you problem may be that there is a significant difference in the way the old 13th Company fought, compared to how the latest SW 'dex fights. You may be still trying to fight as a member of the 13th, when for optimal results you should be fighting as an ordinary Space Wolf.

 

13th Co was an all out assualt army. The tactics they used were to scout as close as possible and charge as soon as possible. The 5th edition SWs are essentially a SoB army with good (but not excellent) CC ability. Current SW usually rely on the close-range firefight and counter-attack, rather than assualting themselves.

[Grey Mage]

Yes. Its really that simple. The downside for ordnance is that you then don't subtract your BS score *which for some of us is quite high* from the scatter roll.

 

A bit confused on this statement Grey. A Vindicator fires a ordnance weapon and uses the large blast marker which confirms it is a blast type weapon thus uses a scatter roll to determine if it hits. Under the blast rule it states if the firing unit has LOS to its target it is able to subtract it's BS. No where in the Ordnance rule does it say that they do not get the benefit of the BS modifier if they have LOS to their target.

 

Now in the Ordnance Barrage weapon section you do not get the benefit of the BS modifier if the firing unit can not see its target. Maybe this is where you are getting the no BS modifier statement. This also suggests that if the firing unit can see it's target, they use the BS modifier regardless of direct or indirect fire. The negative of firing indirectly is they are not able to move, the positive is they are able to fire at a target they are not able to see.

 

Vrox.

Never mind, Im just getting batty apparently- I let an ork player talk me into that this sunday, and I thought he was right. Dang it.

[Hotspur]

Thunderwolves are all well and good but they're more of a... side unit, rather than a staple. To borrow one of GM's old analogies, consider the thunderwolves as the sauteed onions and mushrooms to your ribeye steak and potatoes, which in this case are the grey hunters.

 

Even if you totally max out the squad and give them all the toys, i.e. MotW, standard, etc, they're going to cost far less than a t-wolf unit and be, in my opinion, far more effective.

 

Start with a solid base of these guys and build around them. Whether you're a footslogger or a mech, you can't go wrong with them. Once you have a solid base, add other things like TWC, bloodclaws, etc...

 

Good luck!

[Hotspur]

Never mind, Im just getting batty apparently- I let an ork player talk me into that this sunday, and I thought he was right. Dang it.

 

Fleeced by on ork, Mage?!

 

You must've been fighting those orks that the Crimson Fists ran into on Rynn's World...

 

Damn those intelligent greenskins!

 

:D

 

Better have a couple tankards of ale to help you forget about that one!

[Requiem of the Wolf]

*cough* Senility creeping in *cough cough*

 

Bah...Mead went down the wrong pipe

 

(*grins* Just kidding Grey...Gotta tease you old wolves every now and then...helps keep you young,having to chase us Claw's about with your walking stick and such)

[Grey Mage]

Baah! Ill just hit you with Murderous Hurricane and watch you trip onto my pistol :P. Then maybe we can teach you how to drink.

 

Wow, never thought Id have to teach a fenrisian the basics of drinking... advanced techniques sure, but basic quaffing?

 

Speaking of wich, coverfire, what are your experiances with fielding rune priests?

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Baah! Ill just hit you with Murderous Hurricane and watch you trip onto my pistol :P. Then maybe we can teach you how to drink.

 

Wow, never thought Id have to teach a fenrisian the basics of drinking... advanced techniques sure, but basic quaffing?

 

Speaking of wich, coverfire, what are your experiances with fielding rune priests?

Bah...Trying to Talk and Drink simultaneously is definitely an Advanced Technique

[Grey Mage]

*laughs* If you cant master it, youll never be a Wolf Priest.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

*laughs* If you cant master it, youll never be a Wolf Priest.

*grins wickedly* just means I need lots of practice!