Newbie needs help

[Avenger Of The Lion]

Hi guys I am a new 40K player, I got a very quick question. I have noticed that the Space Wolves and the Blood Angels have there own specific boxes for marines, do the DA have the same options or is it simply a matter of buying a box of tactical marines and then the chapter upgrade box?

 

Thanks for any help

AOTL

[the akratic]

There isn't an actual Dark Angels box. However, the chapter upgrade sprue comes with 10 robed bodies, plus bolters and (almost) everything you need to make a ten man tactical squad. All you need are the bases and special weapon upgrades like plasma guns and such. Fists and power weapons i believe ARE included on the sprues though, so you won't need these. This means that you ONLY need the chapter upgrade sprues, and don't need the tactical box.

 

This makes it a killer deal for the $20 or so, as long as you can find yourself some plasmas or meltas from a friend.

 

Or, at least when i bought mine a couple month ago that was the case. Can someone confirm that this is still true?

[TyrionTheImp]

There's a Dark Angel Veterans Box that contains 5 veterans (bases and what not included) as well as some extra bits for terminators and banners, etc. I'm pretty sure the Chapter Upgrade sprues come with almost the exact same stuff, but I can't say for certain. Other than that the only real Dark Angel boxes you can buy are Ravenwing Battleforces and Ravenwing Bike Squads. Everything else is the same as normal SM stuff, other than HQ's of course.

 

I highly recommend not focusing on buying veterans and Ravenwing to start out with, I do recommend Assault on Black Reach box (It's a steal, even if you don't use the orks) and a normal SM Battleforce though. Buy an Extra Rhino and then from that you can figure out what you wanna do next. Maybe one box of Veterans to make Sarges with robes. One of the robed bodies looks particularly good for an assault marine sergeant.

[Avenger Of The Lion]

Ok nice one thanks for the help, luckily a friend gave me the remains of his SM Battalion box and it had a Rhino and the scouts in there still plus the remians of what he didn't use. So I got a good little start

[Tanhausen]

Welcome!

 

As said, the Black Reach box works VERY nicely even if you only use the marines (you get 10 marines, 5 termies and a dradnought!).

 

If you already have some minis, I'm sure you'll fins some buddy or someone at your local store with symbols and icons and so on... that they can simply give you: most of us have a zillion bits ;)

[EPK]

Yes, the DA upgrade sprue is ideal for augmenting a normal box of tactical marines, devastators, terminators, command sqaud, etc. You could also technically make 10 robed marines with bolters from it.

 

And actually, the BA don't even have it as good if you think about it. Sure, they have a 5 man Death Company (or Sang Priest Box) box that gives you a handful of BA bits. But if you want to make regular Tactical marines or even regular assault marines you would still be buying a regular box and simply doing them up with bits from the DC or Sang Priest boxes (or painting DC as regular BA).

 

DA on the other hand a sprue for a great price that is specifically for augmenting normal SM boxes but can also work right out of the box by itself.

[notmattlythgoe]

except no bases or special weapons

[Avenger Of The Lion]

Yea luckily I have enough bases in the battalion box spares I got. Hopefully I will be getting to do the Scouts this week and slowly do the rest as I got an 8 week lay off lol. Thanks for the info about the black reach box I will have a look into it. I am probably going to be doing either the 4th or 5th company, now what I need to know is do they have there own Terminators or would they use members of the Deathwing?

[Tanhausen]

I don't know the fluff answer, but being practical: I'd do them Deathwing (paint and all) just in case you some day want to play a Deathwing :)

[EPK]

I don't know the fluff answer, but being practical: I'd do them Deathwing (paint and all) just in case you some day want to play a Deathwing :)

 

The fluff answer is no. No other company has terminators. If you need Terminator support, they would be calling in the Deathwing 1st Company. They are terminator armor-exclusive actually - so they actually do not have any power armor at all (as opposed to some other Chapter's first companies).

 

DA Successor chapters would also only field Terminators in their 1st Company but would have different color schemes than the standard Deathwing.

 

In fact I'm pretty sure every Chapter adheres to having Terminator armor only worn by their 1st company (or equivalent - SWs are organized oddly)

[Avenger Of The Lion]

Nice thanks for the that. I will probably have a crack at them from tomorrow so I might use this as a progress thread but I'm not the best painter in the world lol. Again thanks for all the help.

[TyrionTheImp]

Basically, each Chapter has a set amount of Terminator Armor that vary from chapter to chapter. Some can barely field a single squad, while the Dark Angels (and their Successors) can field a whole company, plus HQ's.

 

For Codex Chapters, this means that only the 1st company, and any commanders, librarians, chaplains, etc, are allowed to wear Terminator Armor, but they may or may not wear it depending on the need, because Termie armor is extremely difficult to come by. Instead 1st Company may join a battle in power armor, usually as either Sternguard or Vanguard veterans.

 

The Unforgiven (DA and successors) are only partially codex adherent, and any Deathwing (1st Company) members are ONLY ever fielded in Terminator armor, never in power armor. Now, each Company Master, Librarian, and Interrogator Chaplain is part of what is known as the "Inner Circle" and they too are allowed to wear Terminator armor into battle, as each one has had to advance through the ranks of the Deathwing to join the Inner Circle. Regular Chaplains are not Inner Circle because they are attached to Companies and cannot wear Terminator Armor.

 

All Deathwing armor is painted Bone White, as well as any vehicles (Land Raiders and Venerable Dreads) that belong to the Deathwing as opposed to the normal DA Colors. For successors, they follow the same scheme as the rest of the Chapter.

 

Despite playing a successor, I still paint my Terminator (and Land Raiders, and Venerable Dreads) Deathwing colors. I just explain that my chapter doesn't have enough terminator armor to sufficiently field Deathwing forces, so they call on the original DA Deathwing needed. This lets me use my chapter's vets as Sternguard, my favorite C:SM Unit, and still use a Deathwing army when I want to.

[Avenger Of The Lion]

Right I will get my paints and stuff tomorrow so hopefully I will have at least 3 up by the weekend. Again thanks for all the help

[EPK]

Despite playing a successor, I still paint my Terminator (and Land Raiders, and Venerable Dreads) Deathwing colors. I just explain that my chapter doesn't have enough terminator armor to sufficiently field Deathwing forces, so they call on the original DA Deathwing needed. This lets me use my chapter's vets as Sternguard, my favorite C:SM Unit, and still use a Deathwing army when I want to.

 

I like this reasoning and was thinking this is really how it should be for DA successors. I mean, it's one thing for the DW to have so much TDA, but would all their successor chapters also have a full companies-worth of it? I don't think that's realistic. Considering the amount of TDA that the DW horde, I'd say the successors should mostly be relying on their parent chapter for Terminator support and probably only have a quarter company or less of it for themselves.

[TyrionTheImp]

I thought it was a fairly reasonable explanation. I also plan on using a normal C:SM bike army to represent my 2nd Company most of the time, every master having a Jetbike doesn't seem possible either, but sometimes I'll just have to use Sammael if I want to do a Doublewing list.

[Brother-Redemptor]

Despite playing a successor, I still paint my Terminator (and Land Raiders, and Venerable Dreads) Deathwing colors. I just explain that my chapter doesn't have enough terminator armor to sufficiently field Deathwing forces, so they call on the original DA Deathwing needed. This lets me use my chapter's vets as Sternguard, my favorite C:SM Unit, and still use a Deathwing army when I want to.

 

I like this reasoning and was thinking this is really how it should be for DA successors. I mean, it's one thing for the DW to have so much TDA, but would all their successor chapters also have a full companies-worth of it? I don't think that's realistic. Considering the amount of TDA that the DW horde, I'd say the successors should mostly be relying on their parent chapter for Terminator support and probably only have a quarter company or less of it for themselves.

 

 

Your both right. If you read into the fluff given about the Successor chapters it states that when the Legion was split, the legions terminator armour was also split. Now given that I would think that the DA would keep as many Terminator armour sets as they could, while only given 100 sets to there successors. Now if you are making a third or fourth founding off of one of the successor chapters, then your army will be even more limited on the number of terminator armour that they could feild. Do to the fact that each successor chapter only has 100 suits, not including the ones that were beyond repair or never recovered. So each time if you go by what founding they are then there going to have less an less terminators...Say you make a chapter that was a successor to say the Angels of Redemption (So you would be a 3rd founding). Then your 1st company will only have 50 sets of Terminatior armour. My reasoning is that they would be given roughly half of the of the parents chapter. Again if your chapter is a 4th founding then your 1st company would only have 25.

[Isiah]

Despite playing a successor, I still paint my Terminator (and Land Raiders, and Venerable Dreads) Deathwing colors. I just explain that my chapter doesn't have enough terminator armor to sufficiently field Deathwing forces, so they call on the original DA Deathwing needed. This lets me use my chapter's vets as Sternguard, my favorite C:SM Unit, and still use a Deathwing army when I want to.

 

I like this reasoning and was thinking this is really how it should be for DA successors. I mean, it's one thing for the DW to have so much TDA, but would all their successor chapters also have a full companies-worth of it? I don't think that's realistic. Considering the amount of TDA that the DW horde, I'd say the successors should mostly be relying on their parent chapter for Terminator support and probably only have a quarter company or less of it for themselves.

 

 

Your both right. If you read into the fluff given about the Successor chapters it states that when the Legion was split, the legions terminator armour was also split. Now given that I would think that the DA would keep as many Terminator armour sets as they could, while only given 100 sets to there successors. Now if you are making a third or fourth founding off of one of the successor chapters, then your army will be even more limited on the number of terminator armour that they could feild. Do to the fact that each successor chapter only has 100 suits, not including the ones that were beyond repair or never recovered. So each time if you go by what founding they are then there going to have less an less terminators...Say you make a chapter that was a successor to say the Angels of Redemption (So you would be a 3rd founding). Then your 1st company will only have 50 sets of Terminatior armour. My reasoning is that they would be given roughly half of the of the parents chapter. Again if your chapter is a 4th founding then your 1st company would only have 25.

 

Two things are unknown and would influence this answer:

 

1. How many suits of termy armour were in the original Legion?

2. How many DA Successor chapters are there?

 

As the relevant pages relating in the DA dex make no mention of Successor Chapters not enough having termy suits, we must assume that each of their 'DW' (and 'RW') companies have enough specialised kit to be mirror-Dark Angels in the equipment stakes. That's a big leap of faith I know, but until something to the contrary comes to light...

 

Cheers

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[HsojVvad]

With the DA so secritive, and them having to adhere to the Astartes or what ever it's called (sorry forget the name again) when a new chapter is created, the IC gives them 100 from there secret stash. No more than 100 will be given so everyone else thinks they are a strict codex chapter and no quesitons will be asked then. Well that is what I think, got no proof of it though.

 

We don't know how many successor DA chapters are out there, but in total, I think there are what 5000 or 10 000 DA in total? So they really are one huge chapter, but looks like they keep to the codex astartes (what is it called again?) so no more HH II again or the =I= comes a knocking.

[LardO'Blood]

Try the upgrade box, equipment for a tactical squad, only downside is lack of chainswords, bolt pistols, special weapons, heavy weapons and plasma pistols.

Those all can be purchased for a rather low price on multiple websites. Or you can try getting the veteran package and upgrade for 1 tactical squad minus heavy weapons and a veteran/small tactical squad.

[Avenger Of The Lion]

Sorry just another quick question, I will be eventually doing some Ravenwing Models like Land speeders etc. What is the paint combo for them as I will be starting by base coat spraying them chaos black.

[Isiah]

By "paint combo" do you mean the typical colour palette they use? Well mainly black, some white for the 'raven' icon detailing, blood red, DA green or black for weapon cases depending on your choice, and boltgun metal for metallic parts, various browns for the leather bags and pouches.

[Avenger Of The Lion]

By "paint combo" do you mean the typical colour palette they use? Well mainly black, some white for the 'raven' icon detailing, blood red, DA green or black for weapon cases depending on your choice, and boltgun metal for metallic parts, various browns for the leather bags and pouches.

 

Ok nice one, I am guessing if I am going to try and do highlighting then it would be greys