how do the ultramarines and blood angels view each other?

[chaplain belisarius]

Hi,

 

im just wondering how the ultramarines and blood angels view each other? Do they get on? do they clash at all?

 

Im just curious because there isnt much written on how the 2 chapters interact and see each other?

 

Please guys can we keep it civil and respectful...i really dont want it to descend into a my chapters bigger than your chapter thread, thats not my intention.

[SamaNagol]

The Ultramarines view the Blood Angels in the absolute highest regard. With Calgar relinquishing control of the Armageddon campaign to Dante who is his senior, that is all you need to know.

[chaplain belisarius]

Thats good...any more info?

 

Thanks for the reply mate!

[Liltom]

I seem to remember the Blood Angels put up a little resistance to the Codex, but not as much as the Imperial Fists (Can anyone confirm this?) for instance and are fairly close to it these days. So, probably not the Ultramarines favourite, bestest buddies but definitely very much respected by them, what with the Armageddon thing and the fact the Blood Angels are generally held in high regard due to Sanguinius.

[Firedrake28]

I seem to remember the Blood Angels put up a little resistance to the Codex, but not as much as the Imperial Fists (Can anyone confirm this?) for instance and are fairly close to it these days. So, probably not the Ultramarines favourite, bestest buddies but definitely very much respected by them, what with the Armageddon thing and the fact the Blood Angels are generally held in high regard due to Sanguinius.

 

Immediately after the Heresy when it was proposed that the Legions be broken up into Chapters, Dorn was the most vocal of those who disagreed. Since then though, the Imperial Fists (and some of their Successor Chapters) have stuck to the Codex Astartes almost as vehemently as the Ultramarines. It says in Codex: Space Marines that the Imperial Fists are second only to the Ultramarines in their rigid adherence to the Codex. So as far as "sticking to the guidelines laid down by Gulliman" the Imperial Fists win every time.

 

The Blood Angels try to follow the Codex Astartes and do so as much as their genetic heritage allows. The Red Thirst and Black Rage aside, the Blood Angels have a love of flight that is impossible for anyone who isn't a Son of Sanguinius to understand as well as a preference for up close and personal fighting. This means that the Ultramarines probably view the Blood Angels as noticeably Flawed allies, but invaluable nonetheless. There's no enmity between the two Chapters and as mentioned above, Marneus Calgar conceded overall command to Commander Dante during the 2nd Armageddon War. As proud as Calgar is, he knows his betters when he meets them and I'm sure the rest of his Chapter would have equally been in awe of Dante, as the man's deeds have been legend for centuries.

[Judaz]

Wasn't it Guilliman who "took care" of the Blood Angels after Sanguinus died? And Dante sent 3 (?) companies to help the Ultramarines cleanse their systems of Tyranids.

 

I would say that Ultramarines and Blood Angels get along very well. BFF!

[Whitefireinferno]

Yeah we sent help to the Ultramarines when they had a roach infestation But do you think we will see the same help when we have Bugs and Khorne knocking on Baals doors.... Nah The Flesh Tearers will be there so the Boys in Blue wont be needed. :D

[Walter Payton]

Yeah we sent help to the Ultramarines when they had a roach infestation But do you think we will see the same help when we have Bugs and Khorne knocking on Baals doors.... Nah The Flesh Tearers will be there so the Boys in Blue wont be needed. :D

 

Well, it might be easier for you if you use some anti-Tyranid tactics. Now, who was it who developed them, I wonder.... :P

 

On this note, I would imagine the two chapters afford each other the utmost respect. The Ultramarines may well be wary of the BA due to their 'little problem', but I don't doubt that they are known to be mighty warriors.

[Liltom]

Yeah we sent help to the Ultramarines when they had a roach infestation But do you think we will see the same help when we have Bugs and Khorne knocking on Baals doors.... Nah The Flesh Tearers will be there so the Boys in Blue wont be needed. ;)

 

I love the Flesh Tearers so much for this. First to throw themselves in, every time :lol:

[Brother Rathul]

Yeah we sent help to the Ultramarines when they had a roach infestation But do you think we will see the same help when we have Bugs and Khorne knocking on Baals doors.... Nah The Flesh Tearers will be there so the Boys in Blue wont be needed. :lol:

Don't worry, the Ultramarines will bail both the Flesh Tearers and Blood Angels out of any scape! ;)

[Brother Nathan]

The fists never were the most against the codex, that would be the wolves... followed by the fists :lol: And the blood anelsdidnt realy want the codexbut saw that without the angel they needed something to keep them united and strong whilst they were beginning to figh the rage etc that would have been developing... but yea we would be respectful of each other as we are different yet effective in different ways. so all seems good.

[Brother Rathul]

Umm. I don't belive so. Rogal Dorn if you have read Imperial Fists fluffery was the anti-christ against the codex. Leman Russ supported him and it was only by Rogal dorn seeing he was going to cause another civil war that he reluctantly accepted the codex.

P.S.- How much would the blood angels like the imperial fists and vice versa?

[Nomus Sardauk]

According to the BA Codex the Blood Angel welcomed the new Codex Astartes, if only for the sense of stability it brought to the soon-to-be downsized Legion in the aftermath of Sanguinius's death.

 

I think the Blood Angels respect the Ultramarines greatly for their contributions to holding the Imperium together after the Heresy among other things and the Ultramarines respect us for the many sacrifices we've made for the Imperium. It seems that despite our flaws the Ultramarines still view us as honoured battle-brothers where others *coughInquisitioncough* look upon us with great suspicion and mistrust.

[Brother Rathul]

I'll see if I can get some more info.

[Walter Payton]

It seems that despite our flaws the Ultramarines still view us as honoured battle-brothers where others *coughInquisitioncough* look upon us with great suspicion and mistrust.

 

Any man who can swing a gladius and tear a bug-eyed alien apart is an ally in these dark times...

[Brother Nathan]

Fists and angels.... hmm, compleate oppisits and yet both still loyal. they shoot we charge. we bothfought alongside each other on terra so we must have been close. anyone rember the current story on the carrying off the emperor off horuses barge? wasnt it dorn carried the emperor and his termies/guard carried sanguinius(all sanguinys guard bar one died, and he was left on terra. id say we owe them for that. so id say not too bad relationship wise. And of course the angels accepted the codex. they lost sanguy and howmany do you think were actually left? we were the second smallest chapter to start with after wolves. the deamon trap bound to have weakened us never mind terra and so on. probably more survived the spacehulk fiasco.

[Black_Sky]

...we were the second smallest chapter to start with after wolves.

 

This is news to me, any more on this?

[Leonaides]

Erm - someone's forgetting the loyalists at the Istvaan Dropsite massacre... We still had at between 4 and 5k marines left (to form 5 chapters incl BA's) after the Heresy. I believe that the RG and Sals almost certainly had less than this.

[Vash113]

Erm - someone's forgetting the loyalists at the Istvaan Dropsite massacre... We still had at between 4 and 5k marines left (to form 5 chapters incl BA's) after the Heresy. I believe that the RG and Sals almost certainly had less than this.

 

The Raven Guard formed 3 successors and the Salamanders had none. In fact to this day the Salamanders still have only 7 Companies, while each is roughly 120 Marines strong, it's still 160 shy of the normal 1000 so even now the Salamanders are noticeably smaller than other Chapters.

 

As for the Imperial Fists and Blood Angels well, having fought on Terra together and better than that having both fought on the walls of the Emperor's Palace together I expect both Chapters hold each other in the highest respect. Particularly for Sanguinius' sacrifice against Horus. There's also little to suggest either Chapter has had any problems with the other since then and while the Blood Angels aren't the best exemplars of the Codex Astartes the Imperial Fists probably wouldn't mind too much, and certainly less than the Ultramarines would.

 

With regards to the Ultramarines and Blood Angels, I mentioned this in the other thread, but while each probably holds the other in high esteem and the Chapter Masters are wise enough to respect each other mutually, I would be shocked if the Ultramarines Battle-Brothers and certain officers wouldn't flinch at the sight of a Blood Angel Assault and the reckless manner with which the Blood Angels tend to throw themselves into battle and the Death Company would certainly draw some ire from the more straight-backed Ultramarines.

[Brother Rathul]

I think all the chapters were low on astartes except the Ultramarines apparently.

[Priest33]

Ultra's and Blood respect each other greatly. Ultra's see the BA as one of the founding legions with a history of glorious battles and heros of the imperium streching back as far as their own history. Whilst the ba are flawed people still see the ba as one of the highest reguarded chapters in the imperium. The successors however have more of a tarnished reputation (FT being maniacs, Knights of Blood turning on their allies, Lamingtons [lamenters] turning renegade with Hurion Blackheart [abet briefly] ext ext)

 

The BA in turn have a huge respect for the Ultras considering they helped them after the death of the angel, held the imperium together after the heresy and also have a history of glory. They are also stalwart defenders of the Imperium. The BA also sent the Ultras help during the infestation of their worlds and (the) Magnar Cartar and Old man Dante have nothing but respect for each other.

[Ranwulf]

Uriel Ventris apperently consider the Blood Angels single-minded butchers...but that's his opnion, I think both chapters do great!

 

Oh, it's on the first book.

Right when the city is under a coup and de Valtos is going after the Governor.

 

 

Ran

[Rob_Loken]

Uriel Ventris apperently consider the Blood Angels single-minded butchers...but that's his opnion, I think both chapters do great!

 

Oh, it's on the first book.

Right when the city is under a coup and de Valtos is going after the Governor.

 

 

Ran

 

Well the way my army has performed in my last few games, old Uriel might be onto something. :wub: But as others have said I think the BA and the Ultras get on quite well going by the fluff. And that's good enough for me.

[Brother Nathan]

i honestly cant rember where i read that but i do rember it and it does make sense, as beng an assault orientated chapter meand high losses in short time, but it only takes us a year to make a marine (though he then has to earn his power armour)compared to other chapters, which is what 10? So it dosent take us long to recover our losses. rember in the space hulk fluff we were wiped down to 50 men and were back to full strength in a relatively short period of time. as for the istvian survivors, well duh the were pretty much wiped out. probably the majority of survivors were on guard duty of their home worlds. salamanders, well its hard to know if they are trying to go big or not. i just cant see itbeing the way they work. are the black dragons one of their succesors though?

3000 basurvived theherasy? since when. i would imagine that most legions, bar the ultra marines were running very very low on manpower. how long after terra was the chapters split. as i said we can recoup losses very fast

[Brother Jim]

P.S.- How much would the blood angels like the imperial fists and vice versa?

 

Well, since both legions fought together against Horus' forces during the defense of the Emperor's Palace, I'd imagine that they are pretty tight. :o