TDA Wolf Lords with Frost Blades

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

I am sure this has been discussed rather widely and heatidly and like it says above that I have read the FAQ and so know that it says that frost blades are supposed to be allowed to a Wolf Lord in terminator armor with the same price as a powerfist. What I am wondering is where did that come from? I mean is it from a GW FAQ? The reason I ask is because I am the only one in my gaming group who is a member of the B&C and everyone else keeps saying that FB aren't allowed on TDA wolf lords but the FAQ says it does?

[Sarapham]

Yes it is stated in the Errata part of the FAQ, which means that it is as official like if it would have been in the codex from the start.

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

Ok good. I'll find a copy of that and print it off for proof. Cheers B)

[Wispy]

It's right here: http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Custom...paceWolves_2009

 

It was a mistake in the codex, and any second printings will have the correction.

 

Print it out and show it if your opponent gives you guff.

[Grimtooth]

Remember that FAQ are classified as house rules by GW but errata are actual rewrites of the rules as written.

 

If your gaming group does not recognize the errata as valid, they are not recognizing the rules as written.

[Wispy]

why exactly are FAQs considered house rules?

 

I mean, well, it makes no sense to me. It sounds like something some guy declared because he wanted to keep his OP thing that a FAQ allowed.

[stinkenheim]

FAQs are effectively GWs own house rules. it says as much on the page before you download their FAQs.

errata is considered 'hard rules' and as has been said are corrections of, or rewordings of the existing rules and are considered as legitimate as anything printed in your codex.

[Wispy]

I'm just happy people treat them as gospel

[Grimtooth]

I'm just happy people treat them as gospel

 

I treat them as gospel pretty much as well.

 

I figure GW has found what works with game play and have put it in the faq. So why bother trying to hash out a houserule when one is already present?

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

i've never had anybody regect a ruling made by a FAQ, so far.

 

they might be soft in GW's eyes, but are 100% better than people who run around with indy RTs FAQs and quote them as gosel.

 

WLK

[JMac]

Not too far off topic, but as a noob I've always wondered if dual frost blades grants +2 str. True or false?

[Grey Mage]

Not too far off topic, but as a noob I've always wondered if dual frost blades grants +2 str. True or false?

False, and patently so.

 

pg. 42 of the BRB, under the close combat weapon area states that you only get the weapon's bonus and a second attack for having two of the same type- not that "weapon's" is possessive, not plural. Thus, a pair of powerfists only gives you S8, and a pair of frostblades only gives you S 5.

[the jeske]

but the frost blade doesnt not give you str 5 or double strengh it gives a pasive +1str bonus. Nothing in the rule book say that two pasive bonuses cant stack , in fact it is possible to have bikers with t4(6) for chaos .

[Grey Mage]

but the frost blade doesnt not give you str 5 or double strengh it gives a pasive +1str bonus. Nothing in the rule book say that two pasive bonuses cant stack , in fact it is possible to have bikers with t4(6) for chaos .

Yes, in the english version atleast, it does.

 

BRB pg. 42

Two of the same special weapon

These models gain one additional attack. All of their attacks, including the bonus attack, use the special weapon's bonuses and penalties.

 

Like I said- note, possessive NOT plural. You only get the bonuses and penalties once.

[Vash113]

but the frost blade doesnt not give you str 5 or double strengh it gives a pasive +1str bonus. Nothing in the rule book say that two pasive bonuses cant stack , in fact it is possible to have bikers with t4(6) for chaos .

 

As Grey Mage said, two Frost Blades do not stack. If you want Str 6 then you have to buy a Thunderwolf Mount.

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

Not too far off topic, but as a noob I've always wondered if dual frost blades grants +2 str. True or false?

 

While it may not be to far off topic it is covered in the SW FAQ. Be carefull with this, there are some wolves out there who like to nip young pups for things like that -_-

[Grey Mage]

Not too far off topic, but as a noob I've always wondered if dual frost blades grants +2 str. True or false?

 

While it may not be to far off topic it is covered in the SW FAQ. Be carefull with this, there are some wolves out there who like to nip young pups for things like that :)

Yes, and there are some dire wolves wholl nip them for doing so in turn -_-.

 

Really though its ok to be confused- weve all been there, and it was a two week discussion to get most of the forum on the same page for this one.

[Decoy]

*pops in from the warp with a wet gurgling sound*

 

Oi, this actually came up in the "Devil's Advocate" thread, but no one answered me. Mayhaps here's an appropriate place to say it again.

 

Frost Blades provide a passive +1 Strength, not just in Close Combat, aye?

 

What happens when you combine that with a Wolf Claw? I see no rule saying that you can't get a S5 Wolf Claw out of it. I'm pretty sure there's a rule against it SOMEwhere, but for the life of me, I cannot find it for the life of me.

[Michaelus]

Erm.. Because two special weapons don't ever stack? Wolf Claw and Frostblades count as two different weapons, which means you have to choose either +1 Strength, or the rerolls. I don't have the Big book with me..

[Decoy]

Yeah, I got that, Michaelus, Page 42 under Two Different Special Weapons. "When it is there turn to attack, these models must choose which weapon to use that turn, but they never get the bonus attack for two weapons (such is the penalty... blah blah.)

 

What I find intriguing and important, however, is that the Frost Blade conveys +1 Strength. It doesn't convey "+1 Strength in Close Combat", it just gives +1 Strength irregardless of whether or not you're using the weapon (You're S5 when firing a S4 Bolter, for instance [And no, I'm not advocating a S5 Bolter.]) If simply being armed with a Frost Blade is a passive +1 to Strength, you need never use it in Close Combat, as that +1 Strength does not disappear if you're using another weapon IN close combat.

 

I'm trying, hard, to find a contradictory rule, but I can't seem to do so...

[Michaelus]

Decoy. You confuse me.

 

In one way, you ARE right about the passive-confering-strength.. (S5 bolter? Would love to have that..)

 

How about this: Frostblades, by all means, count as close combat weapon. Wolf Claw also counts as close combat. But, the wording itself IS rather confusing. It only says +1 Strength and reroll to hit and wounds (JUST reroll. No close-combat and things like that..). And I lost my sentence right there. Completely lost it.

 

How about a little help, oh great Grey Mage? B)

[Decoy]

Perhaps this might help a bit, Michaelus? Attempting to summarize for ya.

 

"Frostblades are a Close Combat weapon. However, a character armed with a Frost Blade does not need to be in Close Combat to gain a +1 Strength, as the +1 Strength gain is passive.

 

Wolf Claws are a Close Combat weapon. A Character armed with a Wolf Claw does not get a bonus attack from TCCW unless armed with two Wolf Claws. A model armed with Wolf Claws may reroll all To-Hit or all To-Wound rolls, player's choice."

 

Therefore, the Frostblades are a passive Stat increase, exactly as Thunderwolves. This, in turn, allows for Strength 5 Wolf Claws, as the Frost Blade's passive ability does not necessitate using it in close combat to get the bonus. (Gods help you if you throw it on a TWM Lord, meaning S6 Wolf Claws, by the same token.)

[Michaelus]

Ok, I think i get it. Thanks for clearing those up!

 

Still confusing (in a way to make the +1 Strength and rerolls clear).

 

Str 5 rerolls.. (str 6 with TWM) Emperor have mercy, I'm going to slay them all.

 

Serious note: I'm not good with the rules. I can't even read the rules right. B)

 

I'm sorry, but can't help ya on this one. Perhaps the Long Fangs will help you out.

 

Thanks again for clearing the problem!

[Spacefrisian]

Seriously, the fact you are considering using the +1 s of the frost blade on ranged attacks can only be describes as Facepalm.

 

Since when could the frostblade shoot?

[Michaelus]

Well, he's talking about the +1 Strength that the FB gives, not the FB itself.

 

And, no, he also isn't talking about ranged attack, since we all now that shooting attacks use the Str of the weapon.

 

He's talking about FB and another weapon, most notoriously Wolf Claws. Str 5 reroll to hit or wound is downright nasty.