MagneticFreak Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Hi there, If a skimmer transport arriving within 24'' radius of my Runepriest, does the units inside consider all terrains as dangerous and difficult? I know the errata states that ''[the power]...may affect them later that turn'', the ''may'' confuses me. If a Storm Raven is used to deliver an assault squad that charges one of your squads within Tempest Wrath range, does that mean that this squad, even if it has Furious Charge, will strike last? thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203675-tempest-wrath/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Wrath will make disembarking models take a Dangerous Terrain. There is currently some debate (from what I've seen) in regards to the models taking another test for simply MOVING in the same turn that they disembark. They should take another Dangerous for assaulting, as well as Difficult. If the squad, therefore, does not have Assault Grenades (frags, in this instance), they will strike at I1. Otherwise, they will strike as normal, as per the rules for Assault Grenades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203675-tempest-wrath/#findComment-2428164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 hmm... can't remember what was discussed in past threads, but IIRC, they can be effected when they assault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203675-tempest-wrath/#findComment-2428171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagneticFreak Posted June 8, 2010 Author Share Posted June 8, 2010 What if you cast Murderous hurricane on a Land Raider?Does seem useless, but does the unit inside, once it gets out, will be considered as in both difficult and dangerous terrain? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203675-tempest-wrath/#findComment-2428175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 I would say no to MH. It's a shooting attack and the Landraider is a separate unit from the squad inside. If the Landraider were within the 18" of TW the unit inside would be affected when it disembarked as TW is an area effect as opposed to a shooting attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203675-tempest-wrath/#findComment-2428217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKAwolf Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 squad, therefore, does not have Assault Grenades (frags, in this instance), they will strike at I1. Otherwise, they will strike as normal, as per the rules for Assault Grenades. I fail to see how Diff/Dang Terrain confers the benifits of an assualted unit counting as in cover are you positive? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203675-tempest-wrath/#findComment-2428257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Folk REALLY need to read the Diff/Dang rules. Page 36, top right, "Assaulting through cover", Paragraph Two. "If an assaulting unit had to take a difficult or dangerous terrain test during their assault move, all of it's models have their Initiative value lowered to 1 when attacking, regardless of other Initiative modifiers." I swear, I should make that a Public Service Announcement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203675-tempest-wrath/#findComment-2428279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagneticFreak Posted June 8, 2010 Author Share Posted June 8, 2010 I agree with you. My point is aimed at seeing if the powers affect the units inside the targetted transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203675-tempest-wrath/#findComment-2428282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Folk REALLY need to read the Diff/Dang rules. Page 36, top right, "Assaulting through cover", Paragraph Two. "If an assaulting unit had to take a difficult or dangerous terrain test during their assault move, all of it's models have their Initiative value lowered to 1 when attacking, regardless of other Initiative modifiers." I swear, I should make that a Public Service Announcement. It is a reading comprehension issue. People see the title and don't think it applies Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203675-tempest-wrath/#findComment-2428424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem of the Wolf Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Folk REALLY need to read the Diff/Dang rules. Page 36, top right, "Assaulting through cover", Paragraph Two. "If an assaulting unit had to take a difficult or dangerous terrain test during their assault move, all of it's models have their Initiative value lowered to 1 when attacking, regardless of other Initiative modifiers." I swear, I should make that a Public Service Announcement. It is a reading comprehension issue. People see the title and don't think it applies The general 40k FAQ states that Psychic powers do not affect units that are embarked on transports. Though I could see an open topped vehicle,the troops being able to be targeted due to being able to draw LOS to them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203675-tempest-wrath/#findComment-2428498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 there are two FAQs which mention dangerous trrain and disembraking moves. The BRB says yes they are affected (but not required to test again during their movement- only one test per phase) the other is the SW FAQ which says no, disembarking does not trigger a dangerous terrain test. as for MH on a land raider, no it wont affect the unit inside. the only unit targetted by the power would be the land raider as the troops inside are a completely seperate unit they are merely sharing the space. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203675-tempest-wrath/#findComment-2428612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 there are two FAQs which mention dangerous trrain and disembraking moves.The BRB says yes they are affected (but not required to test again during their movement- only one test per phase) the other is the SW FAQ which says no, disembarking does not trigger a dangerous terrain test. as for MH on a land raider, no it wont affect the unit inside. the only unit targetted by the power would be the land raider as the troops inside are a completely seperate unit they are merely sharing the space. Technically the SW FAQ doesn't say that. It starts with a flawed assumption of BRB. BRB FAQ controls BRB rules Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203675-tempest-wrath/#findComment-2428621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 and technically either of them can be ignored by someone as they are gws house rules. most people dont bother reading through the BRB FAQ but most SW players should read their own FAQ so i felt it was worth mentioning. at the end of the day, discuss with your opponent or group which way you are doing it so there are no suprises in store Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203675-tempest-wrath/#findComment-2428631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 I agree with you. My point is aimed at seeing if the powers affect the units inside the targetted transport. No, it does not. Because transports are not part of the unit that is embarked or vice versa- not even dedicated transports. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203675-tempest-wrath/#findComment-2428656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem of the Wolf Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 The difficult and dangerous terrain test wouldn't matter till they disembarked anyways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203675-tempest-wrath/#findComment-2428713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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