BladeEncarmine Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Hey all, I just wanted to get an opinion on how much of a :) I really am based on my last ;) move. Background: I was playing a 3.5k Spearhead/Apocalypse (no datasheets, just spearheads) game against a friend's Nid army. In our first couple of games, he took the Monstrous Spearhead with 6 Trygons (and yes, he actually does own 6 Trygons). This game, I took the Mechanized Assault spearhead against him consisting of 3 Stormravens each carrying a DC Dreadnought w/ Talons. My friend conceded on the spot when they arrive and said he'd never play against me again in Spearhead if I took that particular combination again. (NOTE: He still took the 6 Trygon Spearhead). Mind you, I didn't actually lose any of the games against him, I just was tired of having 9 Trygons rampaging around the table. Question: Do you think my counter ;) move was really all that bad? I'm looking for honest opinions, I won't take offense at screams of outrage... I already know I'm a magnificent :cuss. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ail'Slath'Sleresh Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Your friend just sounds like a baby!!! It's to my understanding that MC's own vehicles flat out(depending on the mc), and its not your fault that you know your tactics better than he does. 9 Trygons vs 3 outflanking SR's... Love it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Does anyone else see the super huge problem with this? So it might let the Death Co. get into combat on the first turn... he's playing Tyranids. Monstrous Creatures mulch a DC squad, unless you give them *several* s8/9 weapons. edit: Ah, I see you're talking about DC Dread with Talons. You can potentially get into 1st turn CC with those from a Stormraven anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeEncarmine Posted June 8, 2010 Author Share Posted June 8, 2010 Er... my DC was jumping up lead by Lemartes seperately. The passengers on the Stormravens were DC Dreads w/ Talons. Not the BEST Anti-MC, but certainly a lot of fun :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ail'Slath'Sleresh Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 He saId dc dread not dc... How do 6 mc trygons fear 3 dreads and ravens? What a wimp lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Don't Trygons still go first against DC Dreads even if they charge? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeEncarmine Posted June 8, 2010 Author Share Posted June 8, 2010 Nope, Trygons, even upgraded to Primes, are I4. They are WS5 though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ail'Slath'Sleresh Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 So they hit athe same time with 6 attacks and roll 2d6 for added str to an already S6.. Tell your friend to be less scared... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeEncarmine Posted June 8, 2010 Author Share Posted June 8, 2010 :cuss Yeah, that was my response. Mind you, he quit on me not because my Dreads and Ravens ripped into his Trygons, but they took on his second line of Warriors, Zoanthropes and Raveners in assault. His Trygons hadn't arrived via Deepstrike yet. *facepalms* And if I charge, I go first at S7 with rerolling wounds that create more attacks B) . Like I said, I'm a magnificient :cuss . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burningblood Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Sounds like a pansy. I would have fun playing that kind of game. he's probably too used to steamrolling people. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Ah ok, so the DC Dreads go first on the charge. Hmm. Still, 6 of them should be able to eat 3 DC Dreads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Descendant of Dante Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Hey all, I just wanted to get an opinion on how much of a :cuss I really am based on my last :cuss move. I would subtract :cuss with the word nerd and nerdy respectively. Then my response would be you are a very big one :lol: I think he was just feeling the pain of two many losses. You should offer to play the same armylist allowing him to tailor his list to yours, then have another throwdown with him. Kick his ass one more time then send him packing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ail'Slath'Sleresh Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Tailored lists are wack... If you want to make him feel better assure him he couldn't lose 9 trygons to 3 dreds... Come on!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian of the Rage Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 To be honest as soon as i read the Mech assault spearhead I thought that this would be done; with the table dimensions, units basically can't hide from a DC dread in a raven. Is it hideous well probably, but then he had 6 trygons; a little of the pot calling the kettle black i think. Kind regards, GotR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daboarder Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 question, why is he taking the MC spearhead with Trygon's anyway? they gain absolutely NOTHING they can't get otherways in the codex, cheaper, without the crippling blow that rage is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ail'Slath'Sleresh Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Seriously... why not take fexes instead or Mawlocs... Mawlocs can at least deep strike so they can rage at the target you want instead of being kited away! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 but then he had 6 trygons; a little of the pot calling the kettle black i think. A little? I can't think of many better instances of the pot calling the kettle black. Really this guy just sounds like he's moaning too much, I'd ignore him and find someone with more chops to play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 huh, i would say your friend is kindadaft. his trygons can buy furious charge too... can take regenerate also. i wouldnt fear the dreads, it would be thethunder hawks id be worried about. although ifhad any venomthrope id say hed probably do alot better at such high points level... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Your friends a big whiney girly boy. Tell him to grow a pair. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem of the Wolf Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 huh, i would say your friend is kindadaft. his trygons can buy furious charge too... can take regenerate also. i wouldnt fear the dreads, it would be thethunder hawks id be worried about. although ifhad any venomthrope id say hed probably do alot better at such high points level... *shrugs* I think unlimited point spending on spearheads is ridiculous honestly. That being said,your move was no more or less then what he was doing in the first place. Though really he should have gone for the troop based choice for his spearhead,given a couple hundred gaunt's S7 krak grenades and the ability to recover leadership no matter the situation,and just swarm over a mechanized list. Throw in a couple fexes to deal with dreads and that would solve the problem handily. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ail'Slath'Sleresh Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 If your friend needs help with understanding why dreads aren't that bad vs mc put it like this. 36 wounds fromthe mc spearhead vs 15 charging attacks from dc dreads... Not enough to wipe them out!!! Plus the rest of his ungodly horde! What else scared him off? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeEncarmine Posted June 9, 2010 Author Share Posted June 9, 2010 I think the part that pissed him off the most was the fact that he lost all his synapse (9 Warriors and 3 Zoanthropes from the DC Dreads, Swarmlord and Flying Tyrant got assassinated by Fury Unbound Lemartes and a lucky Sanguine Sword Epistolary, respectively) by the bottom of turn 1. While he DID have a pair of Trygon Primes, both were waiting for deepstrike. That and I had 3 Flamestorm Baals as an Armored Spearhead and a pair of Vindis firing from turn 1 as well :devil:. So... I basically butchered approximately 1400 points worth of his models from at the end of turn 1? (the aforementioned synapse, approximately 60 or so roasted/carved gaunts of various types, 6 Raveners smashed by my 3rd DC dread, the Doom of Malantai took a demolisher shell, and a Broodlord w/ 19 genestealers took massed Sternguard Hellfire shells + the other demolisher shell). Yeah... he wasn't happy. Especially since I think I only lost 5 JP DC and the Librarian to Tyrant Guards, plus 8 Tactical Marines and a HF/MM Landspeeder at that point. Though WHY he blamed it on the DC Dreads I have no clue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Sounds like a combination of poor luck, bad deployment and a lack of tactics to me. That he even let so many of his Synapse creatures get into smash range without getting the charge was poor form. At 3,000+ points stuff is going to die... quickly, and by the bucket-load and when tides turn they turn quickly. He shouldn't be surprised. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeEncarmine Posted June 9, 2010 Author Share Posted June 9, 2010 Yeah... well I don't think many people expect 3 DC dreads to assault out of 3 Stormravens on turn 1, so I do have to be fair... I guess B) . As for tactics... SHHHH!!! Don't ruin my advantage! :devil: *EDIT* Oh, and I think he was execting me to shy away from his warriors. I've avoided charging them before because they're such a large squad of Bonesword/LashWhip Warriors and when they swing first it HURTS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeEncarmine Posted June 9, 2010 Author Share Posted June 9, 2010 question, why is he taking the MC spearhead with Trygon's anyway? they gain absolutely NOTHING they can't get otherways in the codex, cheaper, without the crippling blow that rage is. There were two reasons he took Trygons as his spearhead. One, he wanted some of them to be primes for some extra synapse. And two: if he took carnifexes, he would "only" be able to field 8 if all my Nid playing friends combined them, which means the Trygons had more wounds in total. He's eventally planning on fielding a full 27 (6*3 units in the spearhead, 3*3 Heavy Support) against me, just wait for it. As for him being used to steamrolling people... yeah, his main list is a leafblower guard list and he usually plays against Nids and footslogging orks with it :ph34r: . My Eldar and Blood Angels and another friend's Dark Eldar Dark Lance spam list are the only armies which he's not yet managed to steamroll over with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203693-opinions-on-how-much-of-a-insert-curse-here-i-am/#findComment-2428863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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