King_Wulfen Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 These are my wold lord ,thunderwolf cav and my lone wolf i just want to know what you all think of the set up. Wolf Lord runic armour frost axe storm shield thunderwolf 2 fen wolves wolftooth necklace wolftail tailsman belt of russ saga of the wolfkin Lone Wolf terminator armour frost axe thunderhammer melta-bomb 2 fen wolves mark of the wulfen Thunderwolf Cav frost axe, storm shield, melta-bomb, and mark of the wulfen plasma pistol, ccw, melta-bomb storm shield, ccw, melta-bomb storm shield, ccw, melta-bomb plasma pistol, ccw, melta-bomb Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203725-my-wolf-lord-and-others/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Caleb Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 The SS and Belt of Russ are redundant. The SS gives a 3+ invulnerable save, while the Belt gives a 4+. Beyond that, you'll have to wait for wiser counsel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203725-my-wolf-lord-and-others/#findComment-2428848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaguewolf Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 wolf lord: as brother caleb said lone wolf: you do as you wish but i think it is not a great idea to have two special weapons (frost axe,thunderhammer) and mark of the wulfen will make you lose the effects of the specials... lose the axe and the mark of the wulfen.. Thunderwolf Cav: same here with the special weapon and MotW... and to save some points, lose at least one SS, 2-3 meltabombs and personaly i hate plasma weapons so i would lose those to... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203725-my-wolf-lord-and-others/#findComment-2428872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Durendal Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 These are my wold lord ,thunderwolf cav and my lone wolf i just want to know what you all think of the set up. Wolf Lord runic armour frost axe storm shield thunderwolf 2 fen wolves wolftooth necklace wolftail tailsman belt of russ saga of the wolfkin Lone Wolf terminator armour frost axe thunderhammer melta-bomb 2 fen wolves mark of the wulfen Thunderwolf Cav frost axe, storm shield, melta-bomb, and mark of the wulfen plasma pistol, ccw, melta-bomb storm shield, ccw, melta-bomb storm shield, ccw, melta-bomb plasma pistol, ccw, melta-bomb Good start, but you've got some redundancies that are unneccessary. Wolf Lord: Belt of Russ and a Storm Shield both offer an Invuln save. THe SS ofers a better save, but you lose the bonus attack for having 2 CCWs. I'd drop the Belt and stick with the SS, as you've got plenty of attacks as is. Also, I I assume you're using Fen Wolves as troops? Otherwise there are better Sagas to give your Thunderlord (Beastslayer if you want him to go after Dreads and MCs, Warrior Born if you want him to eat through troops and Elites) Lone Wolf: He seems a bit confused as to what he wants to do. A TH is nice if you want to send him against MCs and dreads. If this is the case, then drop the Frost Axe and give him a SS instead. Also, MotW is wasted, as special CCW attacks don't benefit from the mark. In fact, having a TH and FA doesn't grant a bonus attack for having 2 SCCWs. TH require that you have 2 equipped to gain the bonus attack, whereas FA can gain a bonus attack for having a pistol, CCW, or another FA. But the two of those together doesn't grant a bonus attack, nor does it give you a S9 TH attack. Personally I like using Lone Wolves for what they're designed for: heroic and epic fights with MC's. As such, I'd drop the FA and MotW and get a SS. Otherwise he looks good. TWC: Drop MotW from the one guy as it's redundant and can't be combined with the FA. Otherwise, decent set up, though expensive points wise. That's about it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203725-my-wolf-lord-and-others/#findComment-2428902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdal Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 These are my wold lord ,thunderwolf cav and my lone wolf i just want to know what you all think of the set up. First of all, do you have a plan with the different builds? Saga of the wolfkin is useless unless you have a big pack of wolves. My guess is that you will throw your TW-Wolf Lord into a such pack but I do not know for sure. Wolf Lord runic armour frost axe storm shield thunderwolf 2 fen wolves wolftooth necklace wolftail tailsman belt of russ saga of the wolfkin The Belt of Russ is redundant. There is no use what so ever for it as you already have a better Inv save (3+ from the SS) Lone Wolfterminator armour frost axe thunderhammer melta-bomb 2 fen wolves mark of the wulfen Drop one Fenrisian Wolf as two wolves makes you take your saves against their worse armour save (5+) than the LW`s better terminator 2+ save. Drop the melta bomb, thunder hammers is so much better. Or drop the thunder hammer and keep the frost blade and meltabombs. Remove Mark of the Wulfen, as per previous advices. Thunderwolf Cavfrost axe, storm shield, melta-bomb, and mark of the wulfen plasma pistol, ccw, melta-bomb storm shield, ccw, melta-bomb storm shield, ccw, melta-bomb plasma pistol, ccw, melta-bomb For these guys I would recomend a thunder hammer every time! And other assorted special CC-weapons such as power weapons, frost axes and Wolf Claws.. They shouldnt be shooting (remove plasma pistols) as they then cannot use the run-move instead of shooting. Consider this: move 6" run (instead of shooting) 3" and assault 12". Thats a 21" distance of death. Get rid of the meltabombs too, You can rend most things with TW cav. Remove mark of the Wulfen from the TW. Its totally useless. You will generally get less attacks and you already got rending. You cannot use your special weapons either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203725-my-wolf-lord-and-others/#findComment-2428908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 These are my wold lord ,thunderwolf cav and my lone wolf i just want to know what you all think of the set up. First of all, do you have a plan with the different builds? Saga of the wolfkin is useless unless you have a big pack of wolves. My guess is that you will throw your TW-Wolf Lord into a such pack but I do not know for sure. Wolf Lord runic armour frost axe storm shield thunderwolf 2 fen wolves wolftooth necklace wolftail tailsman belt of russ saga of the wolfkin The Belt of Russ is redundant. There is no use what so ever for it as you already have a better Inv save (3+ from the SS) Lone Wolfterminator armour frost axe thunderhammer melta-bomb 2 fen wolves mark of the wulfen Drop one Fenrisian Wolf as two wolves makes you take your saves against their worse armour save (5+) than the LW`s better terminator 2+ save. Drop the melta bomb, thunder hammers is so much better. Or drop the thunder hammer and keep the frost blade and meltabombs. Remove Mark of the Wulfen, as per previous advices. Thunderwolf Cavfrost axe, storm shield, melta-bomb, and mark of the wulfen plasma pistol, ccw, melta-bomb storm shield, ccw, melta-bomb storm shield, ccw, melta-bomb plasma pistol, ccw, melta-bomb For these guys I would recomend a thunder hammer every time! And other assorted special CC-weapons such as power weapons, frost axes and Wolf Claws.. They shouldnt be shooting (remove plasma pistols) as they then cannot use the run-move instead of shooting. Consider this: move 6" run (instead of shooting) 3" and assault 12". Thats a 21" distance of death. Get rid of the meltabombs too, You can rend most things with TW cav. Remove mark of the Wulfen from the TW. Its totally useless. You will generally get less attacks and you already got rending. You cannot use your special weapons either. There is no majority save bs that people keep bringing up. Two wolves on the Lone Wolf is just fine, you will not have to take their worse save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203725-my-wolf-lord-and-others/#findComment-2429332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Wulfen Posted June 9, 2010 Author Share Posted June 9, 2010 thank you for all the advise and ill put a new list up in a bit with the changes that everyone has suggested. the part with the twc i read in the codex that only one unit could take a special weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203725-my-wolf-lord-and-others/#findComment-2429801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Durendal Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Yup you're correct. Every squad of TWC can ONLY have 1 SCCW. But, everyone can swap their CCW and/or pistol for a SS. Personally this gets fairly pricey. Only if I have points to spare will I give 2 guys in a TWC pack SS's (I usually run groups of 3 - 1 with TH, 1 with SS, and 1 with MBs. Points permitting he also gets the SS). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203725-my-wolf-lord-and-others/#findComment-2430064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Wulfen Posted June 12, 2010 Author Share Posted June 12, 2010 ok thank you for clearing that up ill hope to have a up date soon im just working alot at the minute to up date the list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203725-my-wolf-lord-and-others/#findComment-2432186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKAwolf Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 max wound allocation for the TWC would look like: 1 SS 2 Fist or Hammer 3 melta bombs 4 neked 5 something like a bolter or MotW, or even giving him a SS and melta bombs personally Id just run 4 with a Thunder Lord (Frost/SS and Saga:Warrior, else Bear if vs. MCs) but thats because Im buying the 5 TWC from the Filipino sculptor on eBay Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203725-my-wolf-lord-and-others/#findComment-2432618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKAwolf Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 Yup you're correct. Every squad of TWC can ONLY have 1 SCCW. But, everyone can swap their CCW and/or pistol for a SS. Personally this gets fairly pricey. Actually anyone can switch their Pistol for a SS only one can can swap the CCW for either a Hammer or SS all that means is a full unit with shields will only have one marine who can shoot anything Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203725-my-wolf-lord-and-others/#findComment-2432623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Wulfen Posted June 12, 2010 Author Share Posted June 12, 2010 i was reading threw my codex and i have desided that ill run a wolf guard battleleader instead of a wolf lord and still be able to get my thunderwolf. why is a thunder hammer better then a frost axe/blade? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203725-my-wolf-lord-and-others/#findComment-2432857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbrow II Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 i was reading threw my codex and i have desided that ill run a wolf guard battleleader instead of a wolf lord and still be able to get my thunderwolf. why is a thunder hammer better then a frost axe/blade? Because getting S10 on something that can potentially move 24" a turn is self-explanatory. The only thing to factor in is that if you are willing to trade the Initative loss for the S boost then you might seriously consider the Saga of the Bear simply because he'll be attracting a lot of heat. As soon as someone gets wind of what he's capable of he attracts attention. Its not the enemy having S10 that will get him as its actually pretty rare - I've found that its Force Weapons (especially S5 charging BA and Meph) that will scare you as they need a solitary wound and you're gone and when you've spent that many points on a model you don't want to risk it going so easily even if you have a Storm Shield. The WGBL is not comparable to a tooled-up Lord as they do different things - where a Lord can go toe-to-toe with almost anything else in the game the Battle Leader is best used at killing light tanks and infantry so keeping him cheap and cheerful is the order of the day. I'd recommend that you keep him with a Claw or Frost Blade and use his high I value. I prefer the Claw for the re-rolls options to be honest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203725-my-wolf-lord-and-others/#findComment-2432902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Wulfen Posted June 12, 2010 Author Share Posted June 12, 2010 true on the wgbl but if want him in a great company when said wolf lord is still the lord.that s why i changed him from a wl to a wgbl. and wc are sweet and all but not a practical weapon on the back of a raging wolf in the heat of battle but i get what u are saying in that point. but i still like the frost axe for my leader. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/203725-my-wolf-lord-and-others/#findComment-2432910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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