Why would a Space Wolf fall?

[LordGates]

A good example being those who turned and joined Huron Blackheart.

 

 

And you believe that story?

 

Since when did the Wolves of Fenris leave such a ship to a wannabe chaos boy.

 

 

Yeah, I do, since it is in the Chaos codex. As I said in the original post for those that read the entire thing, I do not know really ANY fluff for the wolves which is why I am posting here. The only reason why I referred to that story is because that is the only one I have seen. Also, I was trying to go more for the consciously/over time turning rather than a mutation causing them to go crazy.

I appreciate all those who have put their thoughts into this.

[Lone Scout]

Again I say it was a lousy piece of writting and I agree with graymage it is the execution of the "turning" that was ... well just amaturish.

The statement that they found Huron as a alpha wolf is obsene...really it is. If you have been brainwashed into thinking that chaos is an incideous evil and said evil attacks your ship you ARE NOT going to attack you own side mid battle....survival instincts and fear would not allow it. Again I echo graymages views that if the wolves had already planned to take the ship and turn it over to Huron than fair enough but the story as it stands is rubbish, horrible, amaturish rubbish!

 

Could spacewolves turn yes proberbly, just don't use that story to justify it :(

[LordGates]

Well, opinions of the story aside, I am still more or less looking for the reasons why a wolf would turn. I am not here to argue about the story, because realistically, I don't care about the story. I was just echoing it as an example.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

A good example being those who turned and joined Huron Blackheart.

And you believe that story?

Since when did the Wolves of Fenris leave such a ship to a wannabe chaos boy.

Yeah, I do, since it is in the Chaos codex. As I said in the original post for those that read the entire thing, I do not know really ANY fluff for the wolves which is why I am posting here. The only reason why I referred to that story is because that is the only one I have seen. Also, I was trying to go more for the consciously/over time turning rather than a mutation causing them to go crazy.

I appreciate all those who have put their thoughts into this.

The reason that is the only story you have ever seen,is because that is the only story ever written that has wolves falling to chaos. In the Chaos codex it states that all chapters have had Marines fall,except for the Grey knights. And those are the only two things in canon that support Wolves falling to Chaos.one very unspecific,and one not at all explained. The author could have just as easily said 'And then the Emperor's Champion showed up wearing a pink tutu,bunny ears and 6 inch stilleto heels and said to Huron "Now you shall be spanked red by the hand ruler of the Inquisition you naughty naughty boy" and then got shot down in a hail of bullets.' And if it had gotten past the editor...It would have became Canon. And honestly it would have made about as much sense really. Specific examples of any chapter falling to Chaos are few and far between from what I have seen,because it is a sensitive subject with the fanbase. You have seen how rabid some people can get claiming that their chapter would never have a member fall to Chaos.

 

All this being said,I hope you have gotten a better idea of what might cause a Wolf to fall. If you are talking about the fall of an entire great company..Then your work is even harder. For something like that...you would almost have to have the Wolf Priest,Wolf Lord and Rune Priest all fall at close to the same time,then have them work to subvert those that follow. Now..Another option might be to have a Wolf Lord decide to go his own way,taking his company with him. This has been known to happen many many times throughout history,where one Wolf Lord doesn't see eye to eye with the Great Wolf and decides basically "Screw you guys I am leaving home!"..And this might well result in a Company without a Wolf Priest. This would automatically put that company at greater risk,given that they no longer have one who works as the heart of the Company. This would cause them to rely more and more on the Rune Priest and Wolf Lord for guidance. If something then happened where the Rune Priest fell in battle as well...It could open the possibility of the Company falling as a whole,given that its greatest protection against the powers of the Warp,and the spiritual guidance to help resist the Wulven curse were both gone.

 

Some more things to consider.

[Grey Mage]

Well, opinions of the story aside, I am still more or less looking for the reasons why a wolf would turn. I am not here to argue about the story, because realistically, I don't care about the story. I was just echoing it as an example.

I could see a particularly proud and enthuisiastic young blood claw coming to love bloodshed for its own sake and falling to khorne over time.

 

I could see Lukas falling to tzeentch or slaanesh, and taking his pack with him.... one experiance after another, changing things for the straightforward reason of needing them to not be the same... simply to defy tradition.

 

I could see a particularly distraught wolf, faced with the death of his entire pack, praying to anyone, anyone at all who would listen, to return them to life. The pack is incredibly important to a SW... that they would shun him afterwords or be enslaved to darkness themselves, might not occur to him in the heat of the moment.

 

And of course... the slow, gentle, slippery corruption of carrying a daemon weapon. There was a wonderful set of short stories about a 13nth company WL who was fighting to contain a daemonic sword, while using it in dire need to go on with his quest through the eye alone.

[Demonslayer]

For a Space Wolf or even an entire Company to fall to chaos it will be a slow, slow progress.

 

*Putting my Runic Armour, Wolf Tooth Necklace, Wolf Tail Talismain, now grabbing my Frost blade, Thunder Hammer and giving a wake up kick to my Thunderwolf and Fenrisian Wolves. Take a last gulp of ale*

 

(This will be a bit sketchy because of too much ale and bad memory)

 

Even the might Russ could of fallen to those foul chaos scum, not because of personal pride, not even for something he mite of wanted but to do the right thing;

 

We all know how he fought with the dress wearer to save a planet from Chaos,

 

Now, what would of happened if the Wolf Guard wasn't there and chaos got there way, we could be going down a different root.

 

We have a Company of Wolves who see a loyal planet that needs help, so we do and win. We've just helped chaos and not defeated them as that's how they planned it.

 

Next we see a loyal convoy being attacked by pirates, we help and win because we're awesome. We've just helped chaos again with there logistics and so did the loyalist crew believing its for the good of the imperium.

 

Now we run into some corrupt Inquisitors (unknown to the Inquisition) killing loyal subjects, so like the Great Space Wolves we are we take them out, just witness by the Inquisition. Being such great friends with the Inquisition we explain why, who them finds no taint of chaos on the dead Inquisitors but suddenly on some of the subjects instead.

 

Now what do you do? The Inquisition has been watching you on your rampage for awhile.

1st) You helped a planet fall to chaos.

2nd) You helped keep a chaos supply line open, while the Inquisition were paying the raiders until they had a battle force ready.

3rd) You just killed some of there own to protect some chaos subjects.

 

Now what do you do?

You was doing the right thing, you didn't even find a hint of chaos on anyone you helped, who's gonna help you?

 

Just to note, all the above is pure hersey, the Almighty Russ would never do work for chaos and the Space Wolves are to awesome to fall to them

 

*Picks up a new mug of ale and shouts*

 

'For the Almighty Russ, the All Father and the Wolftime'

[Wispy]

I hate the Huron Blackheart fluff. I mean, seriously, no, Wolves don't fall to Chaos that easy.

 

Which is why I must assume they Wolves in his service will one day over throw him. :P

 

 

Grey Mage is right. The isolated Space Wolf is the one in danger.

[Night Runner]

Personally I prefer the 5th ed codex's reason for why SW are so resistant to corruption. It is basically a cultural one; where SW are content with there lifestyles, way of life and how they see themselves in the wider scheme of things - simply because they are fulfilled living the warrior's dream punctuated by feasts and drinking competitions. It is hard for the insidious tendrils of Chaos to find a grasp on the SW spirit and drag him under.

[Mammon]

Seems like most everyone agrees its all but impossible for a significant number of Space Wolves to fall to Chaos. Significant numbers being more than an average-sized Pack. There have always been allusions in our Codex to Wolf Lord's breaking their Oaths to the Great Wolf, but there has been no evidence of this leading towards the Great Company coming into the service of the Ruinous Powers.

 

There are Skyrar's Dark Wolves. Yet, we can't draw any definite conclusions about their origins because there is no fluff or history of them. It could be a warband of Chaos Marines from other chapters lead by a handful of Fallen Wolves or it could be an assembly of Fallen Wolves who have, over time, drawn themselves together into a small warband.

 

As for the Wolves who betrayed their brothers and Joined Huron, it is a canon story. That being said we have little to no knowledge why these wolf-brothers yielded to Huron where the rest of their cohort fought him to the death. While Space Wolves have an obvious pack mentality it is not so flexible as to allow for a Traitor Marine to step in and take the head of their pack-leader and assume his role as Alpha. Were that the case we'd have several renegade wolfpacks causing havoc. the High Lords of Terra would also probably seek to tighten their grip on the Wolves, leading to an open confrontation between the Imperium and the fiercely independent Space Wolves. Since this has not happened, I think we can say that the Wolves pack mentality is not, by itself, a legitimate reason for Wolves to Fall to Chaos.

[Grimtooth]

I really think too many of you are discounting the pack mentality in lieu of trying to find outside influence to break a Space Wolf.

 

The pack mentality is beyond just a force organization or myth within the chapter. It is a basic tenet of the foundation of the Space Wolves passed down from Russ himself. It is ingrained from aspirant to wolf lord and is much more then just a quirk that the SW chapter is known for.

 

Just my $.02. I think the pack mentality is very much more a likely cause in the Wolf of Fenris loss then any outside influence.

[Martok]

Hey,

 

I just read through this and.......

 

My Wolves are chaos :unsure:

 

My fluff is loosely written but I went with Wolf Brothers. As I remember (could be wrong) the Wolf Brothers mutated and all became Wulfen, Crazy etc etc. In my mind if this mutation could occur from the Gene Seed then the Canis Helix would not be safe. Therefore one Wolf Lord (Martok) was offered the salvation of his charges and as his Great Wolf and fellow Lords lost all control around him he took the only route out for his Great Company.

 

Thus Chaos Wolves!

 

- Martok13

 

p.s. please don't flame me lol

[Grimtooth]

Hey,

 

I just read through this and.......

 

My Wolves are chaos :unsure:

 

My fluff is loosely written but I went with Wolf Brothers. As I remember (could be wrong) the Wolf Brothers mutated and all became Wulfen, Crazy etc etc. In my mind if this mutation could occur from the Gene Seed then the Canis Helix would not be safe. Therefore one Wolf Lord (Martok) was offered the salvation of his charges and as his Great Wolf and fellow Lords lost all control around him he took the only route out for his Great Company.

 

Thus Chaos Wolves!

 

- Martok13

 

p.s. please don't flame me lol

 

Goof fluff IMO. Kinda along the same lines of Magnus making a deal with Chaos to save the 1k Sons from their flesh change.

[Lord Ragnarok]

I have to say that while I generally agree Space Wolves are extremely loyal, and while the Canis Helix does provide some amount of protection against possession and Chaos sorcery, I could also certainly see a Space Wolf falling to Chaos. The road to damnation is rarely obvious or intuitive, and the very properties that make the Space Wolves great (their honor, their humanism, their desire for glory) could easily drag somebody down. Not in a single step, not in a single action, but over time, without any obvious changes taking place. Not until it was far too late.

 

The Imperium of man is a brutal, evil place, all things considered, and the only moral leg it has to stand on is that any alternative is worse. I could easily see the idealism and self-empowerment of the Space Wolves clashing with the repressive, bureaucratic, and more than occasionally genocidal tendencies of the Imperium at large - in fact, such conflicts are all over our fluff. Grimnar calling the Inquisition and the Ecclisiarchy itself out over the the heroes of Armageddon that they doomed so blithely is one such instance. Now, to be sure, this was a righteous and honorable thing to do, but it was also dangerous. Is it such a step to see a Space Wolf not having Grimnar's foresight, and actually attacking the Inquisition? That's happened too, after all. And if you make war on the Inquisition, the hand of the Emperor himself, where do you go from there? The Space Wolves as a chapter have gotten away with doing so because the chapter as a whole is far too powerful to be quashed without draining critical resources from the Imperium at large.

 

But what about a single Great Company? The Space Wolves are always willing to fight the long odds, and normally this is one of their best qualities, but couldn't it also lead a single Wolf Lord to declare war on the Imperium itself if his convictions told him it was right? The Space Wolves have a long history of putting morality before law, and honor before reason. But if the Imperium itself becomes the enemy... where can you really turn but to Chaos?

 

Of course, no Space Wolf would swear himself to Chaos overnight. But is it so hard to imagine that one could become so disillusioned with the Imperium that tearing it down would seem the best option? It is, truly, a terrible, terrible institution. Is it so hard to imagine that, after decades of fruitless combat against its overwhelming forces, one might accept any help available, even if that help came from the soldiers of the Dark Gods. And although it might start as an alliance of necessity, a desperate step in the name of a greater cause, the Four give nothing for free...

 

In before "HERESY!"

 

-Stormshrug

 

Just because you recant your oaths to does not mean you are a traitor. In the TRADITION of lost companies some Wolf Lords may recant their oaths to the current Great Wolf (not to Emperor or Primarch) and leave the fang to server the Imperium as they see fit. In any other SM chapter this would be viewed as traitorous, but not us wolves. Since our inception, and very much in sync with the views of our Russ, we've fostered a very anti authoritarian nature.

 

My personal is that SW's can become traitors but less so. I love the idea that the curse in many ways is protection against falling prey to the warp powers. Indeed, still a very bad situation, and quite dishonorable in many SW's eyes, but way better than falling to chaos.

 

I also hate the fluff in the Red Corsairs fluff in the 4th ed. Chaos book. Like Grey Mage said, it's too quick. Too easy. More explanation is desired. Hopefully with more substance then "Ohhh I don't want to be caressed by Huron's claw! Save me lord Huron, we will join!". I'd like to think those wolves were turned long ago and were instrumental in laying the trap on their loyal brethren.

[Martok]

Hey,

 

I just read through this and.......

 

My Wolves are chaos :unsure:

 

My fluff is loosely written but I went with Wolf Brothers. As I remember (could be wrong) the Wolf Brothers mutated and all became Wulfen, Crazy etc etc. In my mind if this mutation could occur from the Gene Seed then the Canis Helix would not be safe. Therefore one Wolf Lord (Martok) was offered the salvation of his charges and as his Great Wolf and fellow Lords lost all control around him he took the only route out for his Great Company.

 

Thus Chaos Wolves!

 

- Martok13

 

p.s. please don't flame me lol

 

Goof fluff IMO. Kinda along the same lines of Magnus making a deal with Chaos to save the 1k Sons from their flesh change.

 

Cheers that was sort of the idea... going further from this me and a friend discussed the possibility that The Wolf Lord may have even been present on Prospero and that is where the first seeds were planted when he was captured by the thousand sons before going on to become a founding member of the Wolf Brothers. What you think? is that a step too far?

[Grimtooth]

Hey,

 

I just read through this and.......

 

My Wolves are chaos :unsure:

 

My fluff is loosely written but I went with Wolf Brothers. As I remember (could be wrong) the Wolf Brothers mutated and all became Wulfen, Crazy etc etc. In my mind if this mutation could occur from the Gene Seed then the Canis Helix would not be safe. Therefore one Wolf Lord (Martok) was offered the salvation of his charges and as his Great Wolf and fellow Lords lost all control around him he took the only route out for his Great Company.

 

Thus Chaos Wolves!

 

- Martok13

 

p.s. please don't flame me lol

 

Goof fluff IMO. Kinda along the same lines of Magnus making a deal with Chaos to save the 1k Sons from their flesh change.

 

Cheers that was sort of the idea... going further from this me and a friend discussed the possibility that The Wolf Lord may have even been present on Prospero and that is where the first seeds were planted when he was captured by the thousand sons before going on to become a founding member of the Wolf Brothers. What you think? is that a step too far?

 

The 1k Sons were all swept away when Magnus made his final deal with Chaos so that would be pretty far fetched. Also, the Space Wolves knew nothing of the deal made by Magnus, so that seed could not be planted. I mean even the 1k Sons did not know until Magnus let Ahirman take a peek.

[Martok]

Hey,

 

I just read through this and.......

 

My Wolves are chaos :unsure:

 

My fluff is loosely written but I went with Wolf Brothers. As I remember (could be wrong) the Wolf Brothers mutated and all became Wulfen, Crazy etc etc. In my mind if this mutation could occur from the Gene Seed then the Canis Helix would not be safe. Therefore one Wolf Lord (Martok) was offered the salvation of his charges and as his Great Wolf and fellow Lords lost all control around him he took the only route out for his Great Company.

 

Thus Chaos Wolves!

 

- Martok13

 

p.s. please don't flame me lol

 

Goof fluff IMO. Kinda along the same lines of Magnus making a deal with Chaos to save the 1k Sons from their flesh change.

 

Cheers that was sort of the idea... going further from this me and a friend discussed the possibility that The Wolf Lord may have even been present on Prospero and that is where the first seeds were planted when he was captured by the thousand sons before going on to become a founding member of the Wolf Brothers. What you think? is that a step too far?

 

The 1k Sons were all swept away when Magnus made his final deal with Chaos so that would be pretty far fetched. Also, the Space Wolves knew nothing of the deal made by Magnus, so that seed could not be planted. I mean even the 1k Sons did not know until Magnus let Ahirman take a peek.

 

I was a little poor in my explanation. The knowledge of the warp and what it can do was known toi the 1k sons. This would be the knowledge that would lead my Lord to find clues in the warp when the Wolf Brothers started mutating.

 

More valid?

 

- martok13

[Grimtooth]

Wolf Lord no, rune priest yes. With all the evidence that a council of rune priests would present to a wolf lord, he could make that choice to stop the mutations of the Wolf Brothers by making a deal with Chaos.

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

A good example being those who turned and joined Huron Blackheart.

 

 

And you believe that story?

 

Since when did the Wolves of Fenris leave such a ship to a wannabe chaos boy.

 

 

Yeah, I do, since it is in the Chaos codex. As I said in the original post for those that read the entire thing, I do not know really ANY fluff for the wolves which is why I am posting here. The only reason why I referred to that story is because that is the only one I have seen. Also, I was trying to go more for the consciously/over time turning rather than a mutation causing them to go crazy.

I appreciate all those who have put their thoughts into this.

 

As a source it could only come from chaos adherents and so is almost certainly a fabrication to weaken the Chapter's image.

 

There are no examples of fallen space wolves in any verifiable source.

 

Yes, some have recanted their oath to the Great Wolf, but they have retained loyalty to the All Father and are not under the sway of the ruinous powers.

 

So, there is no canon to support fallen space wolves, what-so-ever.

[Whitefireinferno]

As a source it could only come from chaos adherents and so is almost certainly a fabrication to weaken the Chapter's image.

 

There are no examples of fallen space wolves in any verifiable source.

 

Yes, some have recanted their oath to the Great Wolf, but they have retained loyalty to the All Father and are not under the sway of the ruinous powers.

 

So, there is no canon to support fallen space wolves, what-so-ever.

 

So what of page 58 and 59 of C:CSM "Blah blah blah several of the wolves turned on their bretheren attacking from behind blah blah pledges of loyalty to Huron"

 

My take is the whole pack mentality and having the Alpha wolf of the ship Die to Huron and for Huron to claim his fangs and his Axe as trophies they would see Huron as the new Alpha and those fighting against Huron are Betreying the Wolves and such thus what happens and are Now loyal to their new Alpha wolf Huron, BUT I would also like to say Huron is a Pirate not a Chaos lord sure he may have minor powers of the warp but hell who don't these days so really these wolves havent turned to chaos they have gone renegade a slight difference.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

There are no examples of fallen space wolves in any verifiable source.

So, there is no canon to support fallen space wolves, what-so-ever.

Durfast...it states that all chapters have had fallen members. The Huron story,as stupid as it is...is Canon. Wolves have fallen.

 

Few Wolves want to admit it,but it is a fact.

 

Now Martok..I think having him be there is a bit over the top. Honestly...I would not have your chaos wolves chapter be too old..a couple hundred years maximum,and possibly even less. I recommend this for two reasons..One..the responses on this website should give you some insight to how the Wolves think...and as fierce a response as you got for the idea...having it actually happen would end with probably half the Lords going hunting. So either your Wolves would be recent converts to Chaos,far enough out of the main areas that word hasnt reached Fenris yet. Or they have been in the Eye for decades or centuries and are unknown for that reason.

 

But the basic concept...a Wolf lord doing everything he could to save his brothers,Yes I could totally see that sacrifice. Probably what he tried for was giving his life to prevent them from changing further,but got tricked. He might have tried to resign from the position to insure his sacrifice didn't lead to their downfall,but rather then killing him,the Tzeentch daemon twisted him,made him return to his wolves who accepted him back,and then he guided them into falling themselves.

 

Oh yes...and don't make the mistake of having them follow any other God but Tzeentch...not only is the "spare them from the wulven change" bit make sense for that god alone...only that god would have a chance in hell really of making a Wolf fall.

[Legatus]

Didn't the Wolves had some kind of issue with certain Tzeentch followers? :)

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Didn't the Wolves had some kind of issue with certain Tzeentch followers? B)

Yes they did...But there isn't another Chaos god that stands a snowshoe rabbit's chance in Catachan of making a Space Wolf fall. Besides...you know that if given the chance,Tzeentch would toss the 1k's out on their now non-existant asses the moment it had the chance of taking powerful Psykers and latent psykers (which some fluff represents almost everyone in Fenris as) who also happen to be some of the biggest badasses in hand to hand that the Imperium has ever known.

[Brother Rathul]

:) To many Space Wolves, and too drunk to know that the Black Templars are so much better. No Black Templar has fallen to chaos, not one! Followed by the Imperial Fists of course. :D

CHAOS SNOW ANGELS!!!!! I love it. :D

Sorry Rath,but your armor is a bit too stained to qualify as a Grey Knight...and that is the only way you get to say you have never had a brother fall to Chaos. As for better..*chuckles* only a lapdog of the Inquisition would be so blind...But come on then...Raise your fists whelp..prove your claims...or slink back under the skirts of your high marshal.

 

Now that the whelp has been reminded of it's place *grins* back to the business at hand. I think I see what Ramses is trying to say..and while not entirely logical for how a Wolf would think in my opinion,it at least tries to explain something that to date,even being as old as people say,still has never been adequately explained. Personally,I think the idea of Huron having found a way to make a pack turn traitor before he attacked would make alot more sense,as odd as that sounds. The points raised about the persecution of the Inquisition leading a Wolf to turn to Chaos as a last resort is another example of what I meant by "doing what was right,following a path of good intentions and having it lead to a dark place"

 

Vanity is not often a prevailing sin amongst the Wolves...But for sure it does happen. Whether it would be enough to make a Wolf fall to Chaos,that I would doubt...but I suppose it is possible. Of all the Chaos gods,it would be Tzeentch that would be the likeliest to cause Wolves to fall. The intricate planning and weaving of chance that would be the likeliest way for a Wolf to fall is described as his greatest joy. A wolf might fall to the bloodlust exemplified by Khorne here and there...but they would be the rarest of the rare.

 

And this is also one of the only problems I had with the Dornian Heresy story...That it was Khorne that the Wolves worshipped....turning our backs on the rune priests. Ignoring the fact that every son of Fenris is at least in part a son of the storm. But further awakening the latent psychic power that is described to be a part of all Fenrisian's inhabitants would have made the story about the imperium surviving much less likely. Imagine every pack having at least one Rune priest as part of it. The wrath of the storm protecting each pack while it stripped the flesh from those that opposed it. Scary thought isnt it?

A welp hmmmm?

Not to be hating, but lets' get this straight.

1. No Black Templar has fallen to chaos, because of their belief in the Emperor's awesomness.

2. Defended the Imperial Palce during the Heresy as the Imperial Fists First company, oh sorry, you were getting your buts kicked by the Thousand Sons :P

3. Far more troops than Space wolves

4. Far more belief in the Empeor

5. More honorable

6. Far more wins than Space Wolf chapter

7. Chaplain Grimaldus, enough said

8. Veterans of thousands of campaigns

9. Trained far more in close combat than a Snow Angel ;)

10. IMPERIAL FISTS GENE SEED!

11. Never fought and fellow battle brethren or the Imperium

12. While oyu drink ale and beer and have a good time, we slay and hunt down the enemies of the empeor, what you should have already done if your so good.

 

Ayway, it's very feesible for a Space Wolf to fall to the Dark Powers because of their practices and fighting only for themselves.

[Brand]

Wolves going renegade, you bet! Wolves going to Chaos, very rarely. .

 

Renegade seems much more plausible then actually falling to Chaos. The whole I don't like your ideas so I'm just going to do what I want any way attitude. I can see that coming to blows with the Imperium, and if he's managed to piss off most the other wolf lords or even the great wolf himself then I could see the Inquisition saying hey you need to reign wolf lord so and so in and wolf the great wolf going He's kind of pissed at the galaxy and I don't really know who you are talking about any more so have a great day dealing with him! Then they name a new wolf lord and start the great company over again.

 

Now actually falling to chaos would take a great deal more time and yes there are reasons that a wolf would turn to chaos. Like oh I don't know I'm saying my prayers to the All Father and then all of a sudden like one day the All Father starts talking back to me and tells me to start doing some kind of crazy things that lead to crazier things that eventually lead to doing something totally off the wall and only then do I realize that I've gone off the deep end and I can't turn back. Like the time with the slaaneshi harem, the goat, a block of ice, some plastic sheets, and a thunderhawk filled with baby oil!

[Wispy]

I find the "My chapter is better" chest thumping so tiresome sometimes.

 

I mean, I do it too, I love my wolves, but it's just... uh. Some of the posts up there, "my chapter is more loyal then yours" now?