No wolves on Fenris?

[Leonaides]

Yes, he did. But hey... There's a case to answer as to whether there actually WAS an Imperium when Sang was still alive...

[Beef]

guys all these are theories and conjecture. you cant claim facts from a few lines in a book especially coming from magnus. If that the case then Astallans raving in Angels of Darkness prove that the lion was just sitting on the fence.

 

Once we have more facts we can come to a conclusion.

 

As for the wolves being human or failed marines i think thats just unlikly.

 

As for the wolves seeing demons alot of cultures still believe animals such as dogs and cats can see demons/evil spirits, or the dead.

[Grey Mage]

Yes, he did. But hey... There's a case to answer as to whether there actually WAS an Imperium when Sang was still alive...

Yes, there was. With an emperor and everything :D.

 

Not to mention Ogryns, Ratlings, the occasional Squat enclave, Navigators....

[Leonaides]

But not the Imerium we all know and grimdark love now though... A more tolerant, some might even say enlightened, unity of humanity.

[Grey Mage]

But not the Imerium we all know and grimdark love now though... A more tolerant, some might even say enlightened, unity of humanity.

But far more death to the Xenos. That would be an interesting comparison, hampered largely I believe by the different veiws of what the the Imperium was like in the time of the emperor, wich has after all been protrayed many ways.

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

Yes, he did. But hey... There's a case to answer as to whether there actually WAS an Imperium when Sang was still alive...

Yes, there was. With an emperor and everything :P.

 

Not to mention Ogryns, Ratlings, the occasional Squat enclave, Navigators....

 

Who is this emperor of whom you speak - we recognise only the Alfather here in the Fang :D

[Roland Durendal]

I actually think GM's idea holds the most water. The old inhabitants engineered local fauna (in this case Wolves) to be some sort of super predator they could harness in battle against a larger threat, i.e. Tyranids.

 

Not noly does GM mention the fact that Fenrisian Wolves can grow to an immense size rivaling that of a Carnifex, but we know from fluff that at some point prior to the coming of Russ, the 'Nids had been on the planet and thus gave rise to the Sea Kraken. Indeed the little blurb about Arjac talks about another invasion and how the kraken arose from the water (along with other gribblies) to assault the cave complex of the Iron Priests. Least that's what I remember, my 'dex is in my room and I'm at work.

 

But this would make the most sense, and coupled with the fact that animals (dogs especially) have been known to be in tune with "spirits" and "demons" (particularly in medieval lore and legend), it's not surprising that the Fenrisian Wolves see the demons for what they truly are.

[Captain Idaho]

Not directed at you CI, but these threads get really annoying when people just spout out something of which they know nothing about or try to read into more then has been presented as canon.

 

I understand. I'm sure it does get annoying, I myself find it frustrating when someone comes to the Ultramarines forum and starts saying things about Guilliman etc that aren't quite correct.

 

But rest assured, I know my fluff ;)

 

And yet one of the most favored sons had huge wings sprouting from his back?

 

Indeed, but in the post-Scouring Imperium tolerance was all but none existant, and in present day 40K, the Blood Angels are looked at with suscipion for their genetic heritage and "problems" and they don't turn into Wulfen (i.e. their problems are mental ones and more easily hidden than long fangs, mangy fur and bestial claws).

 

guys all these are theories and conjecture. you cant claim facts from a few lines in a book especially coming from magnus. If that the case then Astallans raving in Angels of Darkness prove that the lion was just sitting on the fence.

 

Once we have more facts we can come to a conclusion.

 

As for the wolves being human or failed marines i think thats just unlikly.

 

Yeah but it is fun to conjecture! :)

 

I enjoy the idea that the Wolves are infact humans from the earliest settlers that went too far in the "manipulation to survive Fenris" stage. The idea that they share a link more than just the smell with the people of Fenris and the Space Wolves themselves is cool. They really are the pack relatives of the Space Wolves and their relationship is more than just man-and-dog, they really are kin.

 

Besides, Magnus was alot more learned that Astallan! :(

 

It's an interesting theory that the people of Fenris fought off some sort of vanguard Tyranid invasion by manipulating theirs and the life on the planet's DNA to help defeat them, but that is even more sketchy than Magnus the Red saying there are no Wolves on Fenris! The 2 things could be linked but I have seen nothing aside from the hint that Kraken comes from Tyranids as evidence of the possibility.

[Grimtooth]

My final thought on this subject, forevermore, is that that Magnus is full of crap.

 

The animals that for all intents and purposes are called elk, mammoths, wolves, etc, on Fenris were brought along with the original colony as "seed" species and have evolved into their current form. There were probably many more animals they brought as well that did not survive the environment.

 

Was there genetic manipulation? I am sure there was by the original colonist when they set off from Terra in the first place. Of course if they were bringing several species of animals with them, they would want the purest genetic stock they could engineer to ensure successful seeding of the new planet.

 

Could this genetic manipulation on the original animal account for rapid evolution to extreme environments? I am going to say yes. It is beyond mere coincidence that a planet so far from Terra would have mammoths, wolves, and elk; animals acclimated to a colder environment. They had to come from Terra with the original settlers, and with the original genetic manipulation, they have evolved into their current forms while still being called what they were originally when brought to the planet.

 

Now with the rise and fall of most civilizations, nothing beyond full blown planetary destruction would much effect on fauna and flora. It tends to go along it's merry way, adapting to life without people. I see nothing different with the rise and fall and rise of the civilization of Fenris. Given that the Space Wolves keep the Fenrisian civilization in check to continue being able to recruit from warrior stock, this prevents modernization from pushing any animals into extinction.

 

It's simply evolution of species.

 

Edit: But as always in Warhammer 40k peeps, the simplest explanation is not viable. So in grimdark fashion, I am sure that the wolves are demons, wolves are devolved Space Wolves, the wolves are devolved settlers, the wolves are mutated squirrels, etc, etc, will continue on.

[Captain Idaho]

But you haven't given a reason of why you thnk Magnus is full of crap. Why would he be lying, having read the book and seen the context he made the statement?

[Beef]

But you haven't given a reason of why you thnk Magnus is full of crap. Why would he be lying, having read the book and seen the context he made the statement?

 

 

CI this is the Fang we dont need to give a reason why Magnus was full of crap. If say for instance in that book magnus had said he could see into Russ's soul and all he saw there was a coward woud we wolves believe a word of his warp spawed m=nosence. NO we would not. He was dabbling in the powers of the warp therefore anything he says is mute.

[hmk17]

In Space Wolf, the cave where the chaos temple is found are shown to be unnatural and constructed through advanced means. The Blood Claws find plasteel support structures that are starting to corrode, a feat they know takes many thousands of years. Sgt. Hengist points out that the caves pre-date Leman Russ, and that the population of Fenris had fled to them to escape some sort of Apocalyptic disaster in the far past. He also notes that they were still considered safe in Russ' day, until mutation into Nightgangers began to occur forcing Russ to outlaw them under penalty of death.

 

Fenris has 4 creatures that are not of definitive human known origin. Doppelgangers, Trolls, Ice Fiends, and Kraken. If you have a Space Wolves codex, read the entries about the Kraken and Arjac Rockfist. if they aren't relative to Tyranids, then nothing is.

 

I think Grey Mage may have been on the right track, but I think there is one twist that I will hang my hat on...

 

 

We know that some type of Tyranid outrider force visited our galaxy sometime before M31 and the Great Crusade. Too many creatures bear the signs of the Great Devourer to be coincidence. The best assumption would be during Old Night as it helps explain a few things.

 

 

1. Ymgarl Genestealers and genestealers were encountered very early in the history of the Imperium on the moons of Ymgarl and in Space Hulks. It was assumed they were a local creature that would sneak onto ships and get towed around the galaxy. However, when the Imperium first starting searching space hulks, those would have been made of pre-Imperium ships... dating back millennia. Also, other Tyranid-like creatures also exist in pockets. (ie. Kraken, Catachan Devils, and a long list of other creatures found across the galaxy).

 

2. While there were warp storms and dangerous warp activity, they were sporadic barring the one around Terra. Most of the surviving civilizations had tales of Creatures descending on their worlds. Some were fought off while others hid until the invaders vanished. While anything in a warp storm afflicted area was probably daemonic; mountain strongholds and bunkers are also not going to stop daemons very long. And some of those tales came out of places where there were no warp storms...

 

3. If any Tyranids had come before the Fall of the Eldar, the space elves would have had record of it and known what they were facing when Hive Fleet Behemoth showed up. They didn't and Craftworld Mal'anti died because of it. If there is one thing the Eldar do not do... its forget. So the fleet had to have come through during a time when all the advanced races of the galaxy would have been isolated and dealing with the results of Slaanesh's birth. Not using the Warp for travel and their own presence blotting out areas of the Warp, the Tyranid force would have been able to easily coast across the galaxy, creating a "sample platter".

 

 

Magnus is very clear that he thought the first colonists of Fenris were advanced masters of genetics. We do know that those first colonists were indeed very advanced, for a long time afterward in-fact. However, something changed that. They scrambled for safety in the securest place they could find and waged war with something external to the world and didn't want to come out for thousands of years.

 

Grey Mage had the idea that they modified themselves to go to war, but how do advanced biologists go to war?

 

They don't use their knowledge on themselves, they use it against their enemies by creating weapons. If they modified themselves and other creatures to fight, why continue to hide? But if they made a biological weapon and were unsure of the fallout... they would want to hide for thousands of years. Magnus also states that the the current use of the Canis Helix (a primer for the introduction of Russ' geneseed) is just an obvious part of its function.

 

Any more times this comes up, this is the answer I'm going with:

 

 

When the Tyranid force descended upon Fenris, the colonists found themselves in the same position that the Tau would find themselves in against Hive Fleet Gorgon. While they were using advanced weaponry, the Tyranids can easily adapt to handle anything their foes would throw at them. In the Tau's case, it was becoming immune to pulse rifles. We do not know what arms the colonists had, but their archeotech was probably pretty good and better than most of what the Mechanicus could throw at them (without committing heresy).

 

So as they pushed back the Tyranids' initial incursion, they then found themselves in trouble as the second wave of creatures was able to resist their technology. Turning to their knowledge of advanced genetics/biology, the colonists were able to identify things about the tyranids the Magos Biologis have not been able to. Their solution was one unknowingly mimicked later on in the use of gene-viruses against Norn Queens of Hive Fleet Leviathan (Note: It succeeded at Tarsis Ultra, but has not been anywhere near effective since. Leviathan as a whole seems to have gained something of an immunity to the viruses.) Where as the M.41 weapons were to destabilize the entire genetic structure, the colonists found a more ingenious method of nullifying the tyranids' adaptability.

 

They used the Canis Helix as part of a biological weapon designed to re-write Tyranid DNA by using its own adaptation mechanisms. Introducing it, the colonists probably didn't know the complete effects of their labor. So they hid in bunkers deep in the mountains of Asaheim to escape any biological fall out.

 

As the Tyranids used up bio mass to adapt to colonists who remained outside as well as the inhospitable planet, the Canis Helix and other genetics weapons took their toll. Eventually, enough of the Tyranid DNA was overwritten to the point the creatures lost touch with the Hive Mind and became stranded on the planet. They fell back into instinctive behavior, and as each year passed the genetic weapons continued to change the Tyranid biology until the preset pattern was realized. Eventually, the much of the offspring of the Tyranid invasion would look like the gene-grown animals the colonists had originally made (with some obvious size discrepancies). Thus wolves the size of tanks and bears big enough to topple buildings

 

Others would not be completely changed and just become more beast, but losing most of their inherent Tyranid-ness. Things like trolls, ice-fiends, and dopplegangers; all bear marks of their original species.

 

When the colonists' descendants re-emerged onto the surface, the monsters they had been told about were gone. Those were replaced with newer, but more manageable creatures that were more familiar to humans. Some descended back into the earth, unconvinced it was safe. Those that returned to the depths eventually spawned the Nightgangers, that still haunt the dark places of Fenris.

 

The other colonists went forth to re-claim the world, dispersing and becoming the hardy people of Fenris we know and love.

 

Russ' arrival is much more understandable in these terms. While the "raised by wolves" concept has been expressed many times through literature and is more likely a nod to Ruyard Kipling by the developers than anything else, it makes sense that the she-wolf would have understood Russ to be an orphaned cub. Sensing the shared Canis Helix, it would have done what nursing animals tend to do... adopt "children".

 

 

Personally, the idea that the ancestors of the Space Wolves found the way to defeat the Tyranids is pretty boss. And that Space Wolves now use the descendants of the defeated Tyranids in battle... also pretty cool. It also escapes the cuteness of pop culture were-wolves currently. Anyone in for that should go play Team Edward, err... Blood Angels.

 

 

Since McNeil and Abnett did the planning of the two novels together, the idea of "No Wolves on Fenris" sounds more Abnett than McNeil. My guess is that this was to whet our appetites for something in the next book...

 

 

 

Edit: Correct. This is the Fang, we can discount Magnus on whim if we choose. Same way we discount Guilliman and El'Jonson.

 

After this wall of text, I really need some ale.

[Grimtooth]

But you haven't given a reason of why you thnk Magnus is full of crap. Why would he be lying, having read the book and seen the context he made the statement?

 

You haven't given me a reasob to believe him. Let's ser how "right" Magnus has been his infinite wisdom:

 

1. Brokered a deal with Chaos to stop flesh changes and thought he was the one in charge of that.

 

2. Burns the Emperor's plans for the webway because he thought it was right to use old rituals to contact him.

 

3. Hands his legion to Chaos on a silver platter in exchange for demon princehood.

 

4. Still sitting in his ebony tower trying to justify that he didn't make a mistake.

 

And at the end of the book you have Ahirham with the same attitude as Magnus. The son repeating the mistakes of the father.

 

So pretty much everything Magnus has ever done with or known about the warp has been wrong and yet his blurb about the Space Wolves is supposed to be canon? I have a bridge in San Francisco for sale, are you interested?

[Captain Idaho]

Magnus was arrogant and a fool, but that doesn't mean he was a lyer. Especially to his own sons, in private, with no gain to be had by the information he imparted. There is a big difference between Magnus' actions being wrong and his actions being falsehoods in that book.

 

CI this is the Fang we dont need to give a reason why Magnus was full of crap. If say for instance in that book magnus had said he could see into Russ's soul and all he saw there was a coward woud we wolves believe a word of his warp spawed m=nosence. NO we would not. He was dabbling in the powers of the warp therefore anything he says is mute.

 

That must be why I'm an Ultramarines player then, as I like to take an impartial look at everything, taking into account as much information as possible!

 

I still don't think anyone should disbelieve Magnus purely because he is your enemy.

[Grimtooth]

Magnus was arrogant and a fool, but that doesn't mean he was a lyer. Especially to his own sons, in private, with no gain to be had by the information he imparted. There is a big difference between Magnus' actions being wrong and his actions being falsehoods in that book.

 

CI this is the Fang we dont need to give a reason why Magnus was full of crap. If say for instance in that book magnus had said he could see into Russ's soul and all he saw there was a coward woud we wolves believe a word of his warp spawed m=nosence. NO we would not. He was dabbling in the powers of the warp therefore anything he says is mute.

 

That must be why I'm an Ultramarines player then, as I like to take an impartial look at everything, taking into account as much information as possible!

 

I still don't think anyone should disbelieve Magnus purely because he is your enemy.

 

So why did he not tell his sons about already knowing the chaos tentacle in the cave? Why did he not tell his sons about the deal he brokered to stop the flesh change? Why did he kill one of his own to protect that secret?

 

Sounds like a liar to me.

[Roland Durendal]

I'm liking the plot synthesis between hmk13 and GM's ideas. It does seem the most feasible explanation lies in some form of genetic alteration done either on local flora/fauna itself, or on the Tyranid organisms.

 

Though assuming either one of these to be true, how could they identify the tutelaries as demons? And why would the demons then fear them? That's one of the sticking points I see.

 

To continue synthesing GM and hmk13's ideas, it could be possible that they didn't directly or even purposefully alter the genetic makeup of any of the creatures. Perhaps they did invent a biological weapon or virus bomb which they thought would affect and neutralize the 'Nids. The unintended consequence being it affected all other creatures on the planet as and caused unforseen mutations and changes, which led to the current state of flora/fauna. This could also explain the Kraken, Dopplegangers, Trolls, and Ice Fiends, for they could either have been 'Nid creatures which the weapon didn't fully affect (and had unintended mutations as consequences) or it could be the remnants of those Fenrisians who didn't make it to shelter when the weapon as used - it altered their genetic make up and DNA.

 

Food for thought

[hmk17]

Tyranids have an odd effect on the warp which unsettles any resident there-of. The tutelaries are daemons and everything that entails, but remember daemons "develop/grow" as they experience things. The book Grey Knights makes it appear that developing daemons are prey for other larger daemons in the Warp. So the the smart ones gravitate to the real world, seeking to posses people or just unhook themselves from the food chain since there are no natural predators in our dimension.

 

The tutelaries fit the bill of several smart "children" who gravitated to or were created by the Thousand Sons' captains. Tyrawolves would have been a creature that could see them (a rarity), have unnatural presence in the warp around them (something unknown), and would be perceived as hostile / controlled by hostiles (a threat). By their reactions, the Tutelaries fulfilled basic fight or flight instinct when confronted by a potential predator.

 

While Synapse would be gone and the full Shadow in the Warp effect would be non-existent, the core of each Tyrawolf is still a part of that alien system (Magnus points this out and one of the scoffing captains sees it in the wolf's eyes at the end) and would still be "unnatural" in terms of the warp. Remember, the Warp is a shadowy psychic reflection of our galaxy (in the simplest terms). The Tyranids are extra-galactic and will never fit into that dichotomy, thus being unnatural.

 

 

The wolves probably didn't know exactly what the tutelaries were, but knew they existed fluttering around the Thousand Sons. Much the same way a dog would know that a flying bird exists, but not know its genus and species. What is a fluttering little bird to any real wolf... potential prey. But the wolves were trained to go to war, so they had followed their masters' lead and not base instinct.

 

 

Kraken are most likely spawned from remnants of wounded Hive Ships that might have crashed into the World Sea during battle. Depending on how the biological weapon was deployed, the Kraken might not have been affected at all and just went into instinctive behavior patterns. Being "space ships", they would be well suited for swimming the icy waters of Fenris. Also, they are not able to leave the planet as the creatures are created to "swim" the void and not for atmospheric flight.

 

One type of Tyranid ship is called the Kraken. The Kraken is a parasite created to attack large star ships though a variety of means. The Doom Reaver variant uses large tentacles to wrap around ships while biting into them. The ship is either crushed, bitten in-two, or ripped apart.

 

Sounds very similar to the legend of the Father of All Kraken, a creature whose tentacles are so long that they encircle Fenris...

[Skirax]

On the subject of 'Prospero Burns', I really want to see a Prologue that gives a very quick moment of Russ' life as a Wolf Pup, as it were. Or maybe when the Emperor finds him. Something like that.

 

As a side note, why do we care so much about our bestial allies? Was it not our own Primarch himself who said, 'Not everything needs to be explained. Some things just are,'?

[Captain Idaho]

Tyranids themselves do not disrupt the Warp, rather the hive minds does. For the Wolves of Fenris to have a "Shadow in the Warp" they would have to under the thrall of the Hive mind, therefore that cannot be the reason the tutelaries feared them. I can't see why the daemons would fear them without it, just because they are extra galactic? I dunno, you might be right but I doubt that is the case.

 

I don't understand the resistance here to the Wolves having human lineage yet people prefer a Tyranid lineage! That is far worse and makes the Space Wolves even more likely to be condemed and be hypocrites!

 

I would imagine the Wolves of Fenris being human to fight the Tyranids would make sense though. Genetic manipulation of Tyranids seems, unlikely.

 

Kraken are most likely spawned from remnants of wounded Hive Ships that might have crashed into the World Sea during battle.

 

I think Davie Jones knows the answer to this one, but he died in Pirates of the Carribean 3...

 

***Edited:

On the subject of 'Prospero Burns', I really want to see a Prologue that gives a very quick moment of Russ' life as a Wolf Pup, as it were. Or maybe when the Emperor finds him. Something like that.

 

I never liked Russ until the Thousand Sons, as I saw him as 2 dimensional, but now he seems to actually have some depth and hidden secrets (the biggest that he isn't the barbarian he likes to portray himself as!). I'm liking him more now!

 

As a side note, why do we care so much about our bestial allies? Was it not our own Primarch himself who said, 'Not everything needs to be explained. Some things just are,'?

 

It's less of what we think and more what the Imperium would think :)

[TiguriusX]

Tyranids have an odd effect on the warp which unsettles any resident there-of. The tutelaries are daemons and everything that entails, but remember daemons "develop/grow" as they experience things. The book Grey Knights makes it appear that developing daemons are prey for other larger daemons in the Warp. So the the smart ones gravitate to the real world, seeking to posses people or just unhook themselves from the food chain since there are no natural predators in our dimension.

 

HMK17 you should be writing SW novels. Quoting everything you wrote would take up this entire thread so I just put an excerpt above. I loved the detail and perfectly reasonable take on how flora and fauna on Fenris could have evolved in relation to Tyranid attacks.

 

I don't believe the following image is a violation of the rules but if so feel free to remove it mods.

 

In the meantime...kudos to you good sir

 

http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx276/mccimages/gifs/Bravo_clap1.gif

[Beef]

Magnus was arrogant and a fool, but that doesn't mean he was a lyer. Especially to his own sons, in private, with no gain to be had by the information he imparted. There is a big difference between Magnus' actions being wrong and his actions being falsehoods in that book.

 

CI this is the Fang we dont need to give a reason why Magnus was full of crap. If say for instance in that book magnus had said he could see into Russ's soul and all he saw there was a coward woud we wolves believe a word of his warp spawed m=nosence. NO we would not. He was dabbling in the powers of the warp therefore anything he says is mute.

 

That must be why I'm an Ultramarines player then, as I like to take an impartial look at everything, taking into account as much information as possible!

 

I still don't think anyone should disbelieve Magnus purely because he is your enemy.

 

 

So by that logic if Alphurious or any of the alpha legion claimed Guillaman was warp tainted or had a pet dog (that only they could see was a demon) would you believe that. Hell no. Any self respecting Ultra player would take that for the warp spawned ravings of a madman. The SW had their wolves with them wherever they went. You would think somebody else like the EMP or Sang or other libbies would pick up on the wolves? So far only the most corrupt sorcerors manage to pick it up.

 

Belive what you will But I stand by my view (until GW F it up) that the SW had nice fluffy wolves that were not demonic in any way. Bio engineered yes but not tainted)

[Captain Idaho]

So by that logic if Alphurious or any of the alpha legion claimed Guillaman was warp tainted or had a pet dog (that only they could see was a demon) would you believe that. Hell no. Any self respecting Ultra player would take that for the warp spawned ravings of a madman. The SW had their wolves with them wherever they went. You would think somebody else like the EMP or Sang or other libbies would pick up on the wolves? So far only the most corrupt sorcerors manage to pick it up.

 

Belive what you will But I stand by my view (until GW F it up) that the SW had nice fluffy wolves that were not demonic in any way. Bio engineered yes but not tainted)

 

A good point, though it does depend on context of course.

 

For the record I don't think the wolves were daemonic, rather someone had been diddling with their DNA! :D

[Beef]

So by that logic if Alphurious or any of the alpha legion claimed Guillaman was warp tainted or had a pet dog (that only they could see was a demon) would you believe that. Hell no. Any self respecting Ultra player would take that for the warp spawned ravings of a madman. The SW had their wolves with them wherever they went. You would think somebody else like the EMP or Sang or other libbies would pick up on the wolves? So far only the most corrupt sorcerors manage to pick it up.

 

Belive what you will But I stand by my view (until GW F it up) that the SW had nice fluffy wolves that were not demonic in any way. Bio engineered yes but not tainted)

 

A good point, though it does depend on context of course.

 

For the record I don't think the wolves were daemonic, rather someone had been diddling with their DNA! :no:

 

 

On this I can agree, Diddled DNA yes, Demonic beast NO

[Captain Idaho]

In fact logically since the Canis Helix apparently gives resilience to the influence of Chaos, the Wolves and men of Fenris, if the theory that the gene is inside the people/wolves of Fenris and not the geneseed, then none of them should turn to Chaos. Ever. Never ever.

 

In a funny sort of way, the fierce savagary of the people of Fenris and the Space Wolves makes them purer than even Astartes like Imperial Fists and Ultramarines. They have a single minded dedication and are stubborn in their adherence to their traditions, so are very unlikely to turn traitor.

 

The other Chapters are more likely as they often fight with their heads and supress their hearts, and the mind can be tricked and confused. (Of course I am not saying Space Wolves don't use their brains, I am pointing out that they fight with their passion first)

[Grimtooth]

And yet nothing at all points to the people or wolves of Fenris having the Canis Helix within them.

 

The Canis Helix is part of Russ' geneseed. It accounts for fangs, hair, claws, leathery skin, even more enhanced senses, and for the bestial fury awoken within. And who created Russ? The Emperor.

 

So how do we know that the. Canis Helix is not already in the people of Fenris?

 

1. Russ' men had to be given it when thet decided to join up with him after the Emperor found him.

 

2. Every new aspirant needs to be given it.

 

3. The planet of Fenris was already populated when the Emperor created Russ and his unique geneseed that contains the Canis Helix.