Marines camoflague?

[davethebear]

I just thought Id put this out there, would space marines ever use camoflague?

I was thinking of using a camo adaptation of a colour scheme like salamanders or something, jungle themed. I remeber seeing in a Australia/NZ WD a while ago a snow camo ultra which is partially what gave me the idea.

I know marines are all guns blazing, for the emperor, glorious-brutal sudden attack yadda yadda, but would camo be a legitimate concept?

[Axlbush]

I think camo is actually banned from marines these days. could be wrong cos it certainly featured back in the great old days of rogue trader. I'm sure someone's about to confirm or deny that tho.

[Darrell]

The use of camouflage is not banned from the Astartes; like all tools and strategies of warfare, it has its place in many Chapters. Space Marines fight on many different worlds, with many different environments, and being able to blend into those environments helps those Brother-Captains or Chapter Masters who are planning an ambush or raid on enemy soldiers. I'm sure that, along with many other things, Roboute Guilliman made room for camouflage in the Codex Astartes.

 

Some Chapters, of course, disdain such tactics as beneath them. They prefer to fight their foe openly and honestly, disregarding stealth and guile as beneath them. However, I think those Chapters would be in the minority. Even the Imperial Fists, stubborn as they are, have been referenced as using camouflage during their campaigns. There is a picture of an Imperial Fists nightworld scheme in an IA book, I believe.

 

If you're talking about a Chapter which ONLY uses camouflage, that could work to a certain extent. However, keep in mind that Astartes are nothing if not obsessed about things like honor, heraldry, history, et cetera. Constantly changing their armor scheme to fit their next campaign world would basically mean the Space Marines have no real colors of their own, which, to me, would go against a lot of the stereotypical Astartes mindset. Also, you may encounter some issues when circumstances arise that have the Space Marines switching from one environment to another. Chasing a foe from an urban environment into the surrounding jungle, or vice versa, would leave the Astartes sticking out like a sore thumb.

 

The idea of using camo in itself, though, is perfectly fine for a Chapter.

[Lord Tybault]

Well... not so long ago the Raptors were still wearing green althought their ORIGINAL chapter colors are blue and yellow. It was said (I recall a pretty old WD article) that either the bigger part of the chapter or a company crashed on a tropical death world and had to paint their equipment olive so they'd blend in with the surrounding - all that bright blue and yellow attracting hordes of nasty creatures.

The last time camouflage was officially used was during the Badab Conflict, although that isn't exactly 'current' anymore. But Axlbush is right that in the good old days of Rogue Tader, Marines were shown with lots of camouflage - and there evenw ere a bunch of artworks showing Land Raiders and Rhinos in a variety of patterns.

 

These days it isn't exactly forbidden, but it doesn't fit with the idea of Space Marines being something analogous to knights anymore... I'd like to see a change on that front. Because most chapters don't use camouflage anymore (and in The Old Days use of camouflage was standard doctrine) doesn't mean that all chapters don't do it - there might well be some chapters that still do it or have never stopped (why should e.g. the Red Scorpions suddenly not use their old schemes anymore?). Either way you have a solid argument for the use of camouflage.

[Nomus Sardauk]

I remember in the Space Marine Collector's Guides there is a Chapter shown in the gallery whose colour scheme is a dark blue &dark green camo, they were called the Executioners I think. Their Chapter Symbol was a red axe on a black circle.

[Azatoth]

"Camouflage is the color of fear!!"

Quote from some GW produkt ages past. :huh:

[Espada Azul]

I do believe that's the Son of Dorn in many Liberites speaking. :blink:

 

Of course Chapters use camouflage -- there is something called 'Codex Approved' camo patterns (which means Guilliman made allowance for it in the Codex Astartes), and you see them every so often in Imperial Armour.

[Lord Tybault]

"Camouflage is the color of fear!!"

 

That quote actually was made by Carab Cullen, chapter master of the Red Scorpions - one of the chapters usually associated with using quite a lot of camouflage. Just look for 'Badab War' on the net and you'll find.

[Espada Azul]

That quote actually was made by Carab Cullen, chapter master of the Red Scorpions - one of the chapters usually associated with using quite a lot of camouflage. Just look for 'Badab War' on the net and you'll find.

 

Nope, Imperial Armour: Siege of Vraks confirmed the name of the Chapter Master circa-Vraks to Anphelion Project to be Verant Ortys.

 

And yes, despite Cullen's quote, the Red Scorpions DO use camo. Just Codex-Approved camo patterns.

[davethebear]

k thanks guys. just wanted to check it would fit.

[Lord Tybault]

Nope, Imperial Armour: Siege of Vraks confirmed the name of the Chapter Master circa-Vraks to Anphelion Project to be Verant Ortys.

 

That may be - but Cullen was chapter master of the Scorpiosn during the Badab War at least. I just thought he still was alive - obviously I was mistaken.