Emperor's Scourge Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Valdor was a tool though. He wanted Magnus dead...just for different reasons than Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204045-leman-russ/page/2/#findComment-2434258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Wern't the Custodes being slaughtered by the daemons in the hole in the webway Magnus tore open? I think he had a fair reason. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204045-leman-russ/page/2/#findComment-2434259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 I don't think the Emperor is the kind of guy who would want to see his son die. Look at how long it took him to kill Horus and even then he was reluctant to do so. Perhaps t was Valdor, but we'll never know until we know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204045-leman-russ/page/2/#findComment-2434491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Valdor was a tool though. He wanted Magnus dead...just for different reasons than Horus. any evidence of this? WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204045-leman-russ/page/2/#findComment-2434832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Wern't the Custodes being slaughtered by the daemons in the hole in the webway Magnus tore open? I think he had a fair reason. Unlikely, since only 4 custodes died during the whole time the Emperor was up and about, and three of those died to Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204045-leman-russ/page/2/#findComment-2434887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Wern't the Custodes being slaughtered by the daemons in the hole in the webway Magnus tore open? I think he had a fair reason. Unlikely, since only 4 custodes died during the whole time the Emperor was up and about, and three of those died to Horus. Wow I didn't know that Where is that from because im sure in collected visions it talks about the big E and a number of Custodes teleporting into a Ork hoard and at least a few dying Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204045-leman-russ/page/2/#findComment-2434897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Actually Grey Mage, 3 died in the war on Ullanor, and the Emperor had their names inscribed on his breastplate as a reminder. The other died on Horus' Battle Barge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204045-leman-russ/page/2/#findComment-2434905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Ahh, they didnt die when horus attacked them in the birthing room? I thought Ullanor was part of it, with the 20' tall ork warboss, but still. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204045-leman-russ/page/2/#findComment-2435043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 That's been revised. Many custodes died during the siege. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204045-leman-russ/page/2/#findComment-2435050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlSkaven Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Russ being a psyker at least knew what sort of powers Magnus was dealing with! And he just waited for the word of the Emperor to strike at his former brother, Since in his eyes Magnus already broke their fathers trust! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204045-leman-russ/page/2/#findComment-2435326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ariman Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I think the reason why the Emperor sent the null maids and custodes was to show that it was he that sent Russ to retrieve Magnus. The null maids were probably just there to ensure Magnus didn't try to tear a hole in the side of a ship when being transported back to Terra. If Horus hadn't been able to convince Russ to kill the TS the event probably would have went like this: Russ shows up with his fleet, demands that Magnus surrenders himself on the orders of their father, threatens to crush any resistance if the TS refuse to go peacefully, flys down with the null maids and collects Magnus and quickly returns to Terra to deliver his brother to their father. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204045-leman-russ/page/2/#findComment-2435478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Anyone silly enough to dispatch the Space Wolves to fetch Magnus was a fool, unless we don't have the entire story. I know that Norsemen of old were not opposed to taking the odd prisoner but the Space Wolves aren't the sort of Legion for bringing in of criminals. The Wolves were played, likely by Tzeentch and his tricksy ways. Space Wolf diplomacy involves axes and plasma, very little of this talking nonsense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204045-leman-russ/page/2/#findComment-2435486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonslayer Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Space Wolf diplomacy involves axes and plasma, very little of this talking nonsense. I have to disagree on this, I think its just part of making everyone underestimate us in diplomacy so we can have the upper hand. Of course if brute force is needed we will give it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204045-leman-russ/page/2/#findComment-2435767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Sorry, to my knowledge only three ever died. It seemed far more heroic that way. Ahh, but now we're drawn back to the idea of the Space Wolves only ever being allowed to exist with the sole intention of there being a tool that bring down another Legion directly and effeciently. Why would they be built with that intention if: The Emperor didn't foresee the Heresy? They were never to be used to bring down another Legion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204045-leman-russ/page/2/#findComment-2435796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Sorry, to my knowledge only three ever died. It seemed far more heroic that way. Ahh, but now we're drawn back to the idea of the Space Wolves only ever being allowed to exist with the sole intention of there being a tool that bring down another Legion directly and effeciently. Why would they be built with that intention if: The Emperor didn't foresee the Heresy? They were never to be used to bring down another Legion? When did this pop up? The Wolves stood ready to destroy another Legion if it was called upon by the Emperor, as undoubtedly any other Legion was. The Space Wolves were fierce in their takings of planets. I personally believe the Emperor had reason to believe some of his sons might fall, always good to have contingency plans, of course if the Wolves fell it would be bad if they were Legion killers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204045-leman-russ/page/2/#findComment-2435797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 In the interview with Dan Abnett, he mentioned that the Wolves were there to bring down a Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204045-leman-russ/page/2/#findComment-2435816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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