Ragnar

[FallenLion]

the first 40k books I ever read were the Space Wolf Novels - which after wolfblade took a down turn - but is the mini as epic as the fluff

 

how you guys kit him out

y take him or not

what units he with

 

post up converted or painted minis and have fun discussing :tu:

[Rider-75]

i think the current ragnar model is looking somewhat dated now.

 

i have seen some with their own kitbash ragnars, and some of those were pretty sweet.

[Karack Blackstone]

Dated, at best.

 

I would point out if you search for "Ragnar Conversions" or something like that what you turn up may inspire you.

[Hotspur]

Definitely not epic.

 

My son's toy soldiers are more epic than the current Ragnar, and they're all green!

[ulrak]

I think fallenlion is asking wether the tabletop version is as awesome as he's portrayed in the wolfblade books,

rather than is the actual raggy mini awesome/fail.

 

Fallenlion I think the preferred units for raggy are grey hunters as some of his special rules are kinda wasted on bloodclaws if I recall correctly.

 

I still love the old ragnar model, yeah he's a bit static and for some reason is painted with black hair these days but he's always been a favourite mini of mine.

[TopToffee]

I think fallenlion is asking wether the tabletop version is as awesome as he's portrayed in the wolfblade books,

rather than is the actual raggy mini awesome/fail.

 

Fallenlion I think the preferred units for raggy are grey hunters as some of his special rules are kinda wasted on bloodclaws if I recall correctly.

 

I still love the old ragnar model, yeah he's a bit static and for some reason is painted with black hair these days but he's always been a favourite mini of mine.

not particularly tbh

[Pcm979]

Well, the only way he could be as epic as his fluff would be a a rule like "Protagonist power- As the main character of his own series of best-selling books, Ragnar wins the game automatically. Everything else is just window-dressing, and quite possibly the plot of his next novel."

[Duke Corwin]

Well, the only way he could be as epic as his fluff would be a a rule like "Protagonist power- As the main character of his own series of best-selling books, Ragnar wins the game automatically. Everything else is just window-dressing, and quite possibly the plot of his next novel."

 

:)

 

Actually he is pretty good, except he doesn't have eternal warrior, which he should have as he is the hero of six books so far.

 

Also in the first codex his sword (Frostfang) did 1d3 wounds and his bolt pistol could shoot 24". In the last codex the sword was a generic frost blade but the pistol was master crafted.

 

In this codex the sword is a generic frost blade and the pistol is a generic bolt pistol. At this rate next codex he will probably have a kitchen knife and a water pistol B)

 

Also I think his dodge save (invulnerable) should be 3++ not 4++. He should have a better save then a standard SM chaplain or captain.

[Freman Bloodglaive]

However they will be a kitchen knife and a water pistol with a book devoted to each of them, about how he took the knife from a Chaos champion who was using it to peel an apple to put into an apple pie that he was making for a pot luck dinner that some of his legion were throwing together in celebration of a birthday or something. The water pistol of course was forged in the depths of the Fang by an ancient Iron Priest who had a strong aversion to fire... or something like that.

 

Ragnar looks like a useful unit. He's the only way that we can get Furious Charge into a Space Wolf army, but I've never taken him. He doesn't really shine against my twin fisted SotB jump pack lord even if he is about 25 points cheaper.

[FallenLion]

I think fallenlion is asking wether the tabletop version is as awesome as he's portrayed in the wolfblade books,

rather than is the actual raggy mini awesome/fail.

 

Fallenlion I think the preferred units for raggy are grey hunters as some of his special rules are kinda wasted on bloodclaws if I recall correctly.

 

I still love the old ragnar model, yeah he's a bit static and for some reason is painted with black hair these days but he's always been a favourite mini of mine.

 

Yes that is what I mean

I'm a big fan of SW sluff but an army isn;t for me - not enough skill with greenstuff or painting faces.

 

Rangnar has a special place in my 40k world as he was the first hero I found.

So I was hoping for Pics of everyones fav' raggy conversions or what rules mean he sucks/owns.

 

His hair is painted black because he gained the nickname BlackMane in the 2nd book, some claws called it him and it stuff much to Svens annoyance. Ragnar Blackmane had black hair is a logical conclusion xD

[Zynk Kaladin]

I think GW needs to make a newer Ragnar model. The old one just doesn't do him justice anymore. DV8 has a really cool Ragnar conversion and I'm thinking of borrowing his idea <_<

[Nacho Wolf]

Yeah, DV8 had a good conversion, I think it was a converted Kossaro Kahn model. I was thinking of doing one with Seth as the base, but I'v got no money :P

[Simo429]

Yeah, DV8 had a good conversion, I think it was a converted Kossaro Kahn model. I was thinking of doing one with Seth as the base, but I'v got no money :P

Exactly what I was thinking but at the moment a lord on the TWC mount with a frost blade is doing infinite damage so I won't be changing any time soon

[Plastenarius]

I would have LOVED to see Ragnar be Eternal Warrior, or the option to upgrade him, but thats just not what GW gave us. He's still a good model and can add a serious punch to the squads he is in. He's good but for 30 more points I can have a Logan with Eternal Warrior and some other cool buffs so I find myself opting for him.

 

I will admit I've death starred a Ragnar/Logan/Arjac/WG squad before simply because I love seeing what it can do although its usually not the best choice.

 

I do love to see good Ragnar conversions though! I really don't think the current model does him justice as one of the primary heroes of our chapter. I would hope GW would release a newer version worthy of him but will I think they will? Nope. :P

[Thunderhawk3015]

ulrak, in the FAQ/Eratta it has been stated that Blood Claws still get their base 2 bonus no matter what Ragnar rolls. This makes Blood Claws very very nasty on the charge when you have Ragnar and a Wolf Priest attached.

 

On the subject of the model. The GW one is horrid compared to the rest of their line, the good news is that with the new Wolf boxed set, you have everything you could want to make a model of him that is suitably epic.

[Beef]

I love that old Ragnar model, yes its static but he is one handsome devil. Its what made mne pick up space wolves back in 2nd in the first place.

[Skirax]

@Thunderhawk3015; that's interesting, because I've never been sure whether you add the D3 attack to their base or include their Berserk Charge rule. Does the FAQ/Errata clear that up? Or have I been misinterpreting the rules? I walways play it as a replacement to the Berserk Charge rule. A A7 Blood Claw with Power Weapon seems a little OTT for me.

[Sarapham]

@Thunderhawk3015; that's interesting, because I've never been sure whether you add the D3 attack to their base or include their Berserk Charge rule. Does the FAQ/Errata clear that up? Or have I been misinterpreting the rules? I walways play it as a replacement to the Berserk Charge rule. A A7 Blood Claw with Power Weapon seems a little OTT for me.

 

Yes it is a replacement, but that adheres to Berserk charge in that even if you roll a 1 on the D3 it will still count as 2 for the Bloodclaws, so they will always get atleast 2+ when charging.. and if lucky 3+.

[Kizzdougs]

black hair[/u] these days but he's always been a favourite mini of mine.

 

 

that is why he is called Ragnar BLACK mane.

 

Ps. sorry about this pointless post :)

 

Ragnar isn't too bad in the game. Try using him with WG. Furious charge with frost weapons....nice.

[Valerian]

black hair[/u] these days but he's always been a favourite mini of mine.

that is why he is called Ragnar BLACK mane.

Okay, sorry, but I have to step in and set the newbies straight. Ragnar has the nickname Blackmane, because he single-handedly overcame and slew a fearsome Blackmane Wolf, one of several types of Fenrisian Wolf the notorious Blackmane was known to be particularly nasty - making even the Thunderwolf species look like little pups. In the first few years after Ragnar was invented (circa 1992) everybody at GW painted him as a Blond. His nickname may have been Blackmane, but it had nothing to do with the color of his hair.

- picture of an original 2nd Edition -era Ragnar Blackmane, with both of his heraldry banners (stolen from Grimfoe :unsure:)

However, over time, through either a sheer misunderstanding of the meaning of the name (like yourself), or maybe they just thought he looked better, the 'Eavy Metal artist that gave Ragnar a fresh coat of paint in the 3rd Edition codex painted him with dark hair.

Valerian

[Thunderhawk3015]

@Thunderhawk3015; that's interesting, because I've never been sure whether you add the D3 attack to their base or include their Berserk Charge rule. Does the FAQ/Errata clear that up? Or have I been misinterpreting the rules? I walways play it as a replacement to the Berserk Charge rule. A A7 Blood Claw with Power Weapon seems a little OTT for me.

 

Yes it is a replacement, but that adheres to Berserk charge in that even if you roll a 1 on the D3 it will still count as 2 for the Bloodclaws, so they will always get atleast 2+ when charging.. and if lucky 3+.

 

 

That is correct, on p4 of the Eratta/FAQ for wolves that came out in January there is a Q/A that directly addresses that particular issue. Untill the FAQ came out I was applying the D3 rule to the Blood Claws, and not fielding Ragnar, now next to my generic lord he is one of my favorite units to field.

[WolfLord Digby]

Actually i believe he is called Blackmane not because he has black hair but because in his initiation he stalked and killed a large Blackmane Wolf and took that as his symbol.

[saphius]

I've got at least one qualm with Rags rules. - He's slower than Dante. Dante is an old fogy and yet has more wounds, and is faster than Ragnar for about the same points.

 

I don't think Rags rules do him justice. He needed to be the fastest space marine out there. - With maybe the exception of Mephiston.

[Sarapham]

I've got at least one qualm with Rags rules. - He's slower than Dante. Dante is an old fogy and yet has more wounds, and is faster than Ragnar for about the same points.

 

I don't think Rags rules do him justice. He needed to be the fastest space marine out there. - With maybe the exception of Mephiston.

 

Well he is so fast that he dodges enough to be equivalent to a force shield from the Belt of Russ or Iron Halo... Initiative is not all. <_<

[Valerian]

I've got at least one qualm with Rags rules. - He's slower than Dante. Dante is an old fogy and yet has more wounds, and is faster than Ragnar for about the same points.

 

I don't think Rags rules do him justice. He needed to be the fastest space marine out there. - With maybe the exception of Mephiston.

 

I think his rules do him justice - Dante has to have some advantage over Rangar, since they are about the same points. As far as benefiting those around him, all Dante does is give them a precise Deep Strike, which he can't even Assault from, and he gives them Hit and Run (oh, and the Death Mask think is nasty, but you have to fail a Ld Test for it to work). Ragnar gives himself and his unit Furious Charge and +d3 Attacks. Ragnar's Saga of the Warrior-born only makes matters worse for poor old Dante. After last night's game, all my opponent could talk about what how broken Ragnar was, and how Dante couldn't even compete with him, for roughly the same points.

 

Valerian