Ragnar

[Thunderhawk3015]

I think his rules do him justice - Dante has to have some advantage over Rangar, since they are about the same points. As far as benefiting those around him, all Dante does is give them a precise Deep Strike, which he can't even Assault from, and he gives them Hit and Run (oh, and the Death Mask think is nasty, but you have to fail a Ld Test for it to work). Ragnar gives himself and his unit Furious Charge and +d3 Attacks. Ragnar's Saga of the Warrior-born only makes matters worse for poor old Dante. After last night's game, all my opponent could talk about what how broken Ragnar was, and how Dante couldn't even compete with him, for roughly the same points.

 

Valerian

 

Umm, I guess he forgot the Dante reduces a single IC's stats by one for the battle just by being on the board. That alone can make him more dangerous than Ragnar. Ragnar does different things from Dante and its 2 different codexs that he is trying to compare. Its like the age old apples v oranges they are not even the same thing to compare.

[Valerian]

I think his rules do him justice - Dante has to have some advantage over Rangar, since they are about the same points. As far as benefiting those around him, all Dante does is give them a precise Deep Strike, which he can't even Assault from, and he gives them Hit and Run (oh, and the Death Mask think is nasty, but you have to fail a Ld Test for it to work). Ragnar gives himself and his unit Furious Charge and +d3 Attacks. Ragnar's Saga of the Warrior-born only makes matters worse for poor old Dante. After last night's game, all my opponent could talk about what how broken Ragnar was, and how Dante couldn't even compete with him, for roughly the same points.

 

Valerian

 

Umm, I guess he forgot the Dante reduces a single IC's stats by one for the battle just by being on the board.

 

You mean my opponent? Nope, he didn't forget. Even with the reduced stats Ragnar tore his units apart. You can read about it here. The loss of a Weapon Skill point doesn't really matter since Ragnar always hits on 3+ with his WTN anyway; the loss of an attack didn't matter much, since Ragnar still gets 5-7 Attacks on the charge, and starts building from there with SotWB; the loss of a point of Initiative doesn't matter too much, since Ragnar's Furious Charge bumps it back up to 5. Like I said, Ragnar's rules do him justice, and the fact that Dante has 1 higher point of base Initiative isn't a big deal.

 

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