Logan Grimnar

[Duke Corwin]

Marneus Calgar - 4 Wounds

Dante - 4 Wounds

Azrael - 4 Wounds

Gabriel Seth - 4 Wounds

Mephiston - 5 Wounds

Captain Lysander - 4 Wounds

 

Logan Grimnar - 3 Wounds

 

Given that the space wolves are from some of the toughest people in the Imperium, who survive in an extreme climate, etc. Add in that they also have "wulfen" in them barley held in check it seems strange that they don't have a four wound character.

 

And before you say it's because Logan is old Dante is older.

 

So why are the Wolves the only chapter with it's own codex that has a 3 wound leader?

[Gree]

Game balance. One might as well ask why Kantor and Calgar was normal power armor (Calgar can only get a 2+ save with his termie armor) despite being chapter masters. Fluffwise Logan would be as tough or tougher.

[whitewolfmxc]

Cuase Matt ward didnt write codex SW ? but he did write SM / BA.........

 

Logan gets 2+ cuase his ALSO wearing terminator armor , dont see argument here (no SW character comes with a 2+ save unless they are in Terminator armor)

 

Sure its game balance , but the other end of balance cuase Mr ward think its ok to give SM guys wounds of a carnifex or even trygon (cough cough red marines)

[Freman Bloodglaive]

You forgot, Pedro Kantor, three wounds.

 

Some people get it, some people don't. Based on the numerical analysis I suspect they roll a dice, on a 3+ they get four wounds, on a 6+ they get five, and on a 1 or 2 they only get three wounds.

 

We just got unlucky.

[IamCaboose]

Logan also has eternal warrior...Only Lysander and Calgar have it from the list above. Mephistons tough but I'm pretty sure you can still kill him with a force straw.

 

Caboose

[Grey Mage]

If you wound him on a 6 and get through his psychic hood and he then fails a LD 10 test... yeah, you could. Best of luck though.

 

I have no idea, I would suppose its because he has 5 attacks, quite simply the most out of all those mentioned.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Because Logan doesn't need a artificially enhanced stat line to kick ass?

[Wispy]

Logan has 5 attacks usually, 6 if he wills it. He can attack with them at S5 and I5. He always hits on 3 - and can re-roll it, if he chooses preferred enemy. Against most MEQ equivilants, he'll wound on 3. He has a 4+ invulnerable save and eternal warrior, too. His at-initiative-combat is strong enough where I think he doesn't need the extra wound. He's a great all-around fighter that does neat things for your whole army.

 

Meanwhile, Marneus Calgar's, Logan's best analogue, has his best fighting is at I1. He actually kind of needs that wound to be viable in CC. Lysander is just a close combat monster... really all he's good for, while Logan is a force multiplier. Danta is fragile and is vulnerable to instant death. Gabriel Seth is also vulnerable to instant death, and has no invulnerable save. Mephiston is Sanguinius reborn, but can't join a squad to soak shooting wounds for him and has no invulnerable save to protect him from AP2 and power weapons..

[hmk17]

Mephy doesn't count. You can't compare Chapter Masters to the best daemon prince in the game.

[angel of justice]

I think this may be the grass being greener on the other side, when you don't realise how awesome grimnar is he is an amalgamation of a few different chapters HQ's and as such is pretty powerful if he were to have more wounds i assume he would be well over 300 points because of his own individual stats and force multiplying effect.

 

Toughness 4 with a (2+/4+) save backed by Eternal warrior and also nullifies psychic powers on a 5+ has proffered enemy everyone. (unique)

Is stubborn, has the counter attack and acute senses special rules also allowing those within 6 inches to re-roll morale tests. (unique)

Can grant those within 18 inches and extra attack and the unit he is with have preferred enemy, relentless, tank hunter or stubborn depending on what is best for the situation (Sanguinar / pedro kantor give extra attacks and the sanguinor can make a sergeant a better than he was previously)

Has a strength 5 power weapon and power fist and can decided the way he wishes to allocate attacks between them. (Calgar but he cant choose also attacks at strength 4)

Make the elite units of the army (power armoured and terminator armoured troops) (Belial, pedro and Dante)

 

Because of those special rules he has 3 wounds asking for more seems a little greedy.

[Freman Bloodglaive]

Meanwhile, Marneus Calgar's, Logan's best analogue, has his best fighting is at I1. He actually kind of needs that wound to be viable in CC. Gabriel Seth is also vulnerable to instant death, and has no invulnerable save.

 

Marneus can still poke people with his power sword at initiative 5 with re-rolls to wound, although he does lose an attack. Seth does have a Iron Halo, like every other Chapter Master, and striking at initiative 5 (or 6) at strength 8 (or 9) is still pretty good, even if he doesn't normally ignore armour saves.

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

i disagree on that last note. the fact that he cant ignore armour saves means he is generally going to be useless against power armour i do believe. it hurts him ALOT.

[Grey Mage]

But not everything has PA, and frankly, hes not bad for his rather mediocre point investment.

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

true but what is the most common army if not some form of pa? kinda makes your point moot

[Grey Mage]

Depends on where you game- and what codex came out last. Last two months PA has been outnumbered in my area- not many people picked up the blood angel bandwagon, so we have alot of bugs running around, and alot of tau to counter htem.

 

Or what marines your talking about- for instance, hes better than most marines at killing plague marines because he ignores their FNP save.

 

And of course, hes bargain priced at 160pts. Between that and whirlwind of gore he should make his meager points back reliably.

[whitewolfmxc]

Mephy doesn't count. You can't compare Chapter Masters to the best daemon prince in the game.

 

Totally my bad XD yup cant argue with a daemon prince XD

[Stryke]

Hundreds of years of ale abuse is bound to have some effects :huh:.

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

Hundreds of years of ale abuse is bound to have some effects :).

 

Now there's the truth of it ;)

[Hotspur]

Because Logan doesn't need a artificially enhanced stat line to kick ass?

 

Seconded. I'd put our Old Wolf up against any of the other chapter masters listed.

[Shieldwall]

He doesn't need 3 wounds, he's a badass.

 

Actually I once heard, Logan Grimnar played russian roullete with a fully loaded revolver- and won.

[Hotspur]

He doesn't need 3 wounds, he's a badass.

 

Actually I once heard, Logan Grimnar played russian roullete with a fully loaded revolver- and won.

 

So it begins... ;)

[PKAwolf]

Im sorry but all I read was:

Wussy

too old, take a rest before you break a hip

stuck-up paranoid zenophobe

self-destructive sociopath

emo Twilight wannabe

I uh, Ive followed Lysanders career and frankly am happy for him, kinda wish I could field him with my wolves

[JamesI]

Meanwhile, Marneus Calgar's, Logan's best analogue, has his best fighting is at I1. He actually kind of needs that wound to be viable in CC. Gabriel Seth is also vulnerable to instant death, and has no invulnerable save.

 

Marneus can still poke people with his power sword at initiative 5 with re-rolls to wound, although he does lose an attack. Seth does have a Iron Halo, like every other Chapter Master, and striking at initiative 5 (or 6) at strength 8 (or 9) is still pretty good, even if he doesn't normally ignore armour saves.

I'll just point out that the strength bonus for furious charge doesn't apply to Seth. His chainsword states attacks are resolved at strength 8. So furious charge makes him strength 5, but he fights with an 8 no matter what (same applies to Corbulo and Astorath, they can get the initiative bonus from furious charge, but not the strength bonus)

[Spacefrisian]

Mephy doesn't count. You can't compare Chapter Masters to the best daemon prince in the game.

 

 

Daemon prince of Khorne wishes to speak a little word with Mephy, or rather have him for dinner with all the blessings he can get from the Blood God.

 

 

And as for Logan having 3 wounds well check his number of Attacks and compare those with Marneus or Pedro's base attacks.

[Gree]

Mephy doesn't count. You can't compare Chapter Masters to the best daemon prince in the game.

 

 

Daemon prince of Khorne wishes to speak a little word with Mephy, or rather have him for dinner with all the blessings he can get from the Blood God.

 

Khornate Daemon Princes are pretty bad actually. My Tzeentch Daemon Prince with Warptime eats them for breakfast. Even the Undivded one is better at close combat because he can get Warptime.