S. Bloodhowl Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 So why are the Wolves the only chapter with it's own codex that has a 3 wound leader? Gotta give the other chapters something to make it fair(ish) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2437033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 His other 7 wounds went to drinking and bar fights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2437140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiplash Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 just hit mephiston on the head with a thunderhammer, next phase he has Initiative 1 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2437217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefireinferno Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Sure hitting Mephy with a TH works but it does the same for everyone then you still well tbh hitting most things with a TH just causes death but yeah and Just a side note I have had no problems with Seth not having a power weapon but the rending gods love me I would also point out Seth Is one of 3 chaptermasters that have PA eg a 3+ save. But then again he is Pure badassery IMO Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2437287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodmange Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Seriously?! The reason Logan only has 3 wounds is because he felt bad for the other Chapter Masters so he handicaps himself. He's THAT awesome! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2437358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I'm seriously tired of Whitefireinferno busting into every thread when someone talks about the Blood Angels in a negative manner. This isn't the BA forum, this is the Space Wolves forum. We are be going to discuss ways of countering another army with our own army, and by hurling yourself in her and getting defensive - in this case, when someone suggested that the thunder hammer is actually a decent CC solution in countering his initiative (which it is - you're never going to beat his initiative otherwise) - you are helping no one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2437458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 we here at the fang do seem to have a rather open door...between the Angels, Templars and Ultramarines i think we should hire a bouncer or something. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2437508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Meanwhile, Marneus Calgar's, Logan's best analogue, has his best fighting is at I1. He actually kind of needs that wound to be viable in CC. Gabriel Seth is also vulnerable to instant death, and has no invulnerable save. Marneus can still poke people with his power sword at initiative 5 with re-rolls to wound, although he does lose an attack. Seth does have a Iron Halo, like every other Chapter Master, and striking at initiative 5 (or 6) at strength 8 (or 9) is still pretty good, even if he doesn't normally ignore armour saves. I'll just point out that the strength bonus for furious charge doesn't apply to Seth. His chainsword states attacks are resolved at strength 8. So furious charge makes him strength 5, but he fights with an 8 no matter what (same applies to Corbulo and Astorath, they can get the initiative bonus from furious charge, but not the strength bonus) Oops, my bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2437572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLord Digby Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Grimnar is simply the epitome of hardness so he doesnt need anymore wounds. And for the record...mephiston is a gimp. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2437627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Personally I think there should be a stat difference between the "stock" Chapter Masters and Captains, and make the Orbital Bombardment an optional upgrade. Makes sense the extra wound is there as Master's are supposed to be tough old :blush: who have survived long enough to reach their post. And of course Logan Grimnar should have the same as everyone else, so should also have this extra wound also. However, at present that's not the case. Grimnar is described in the fluff as a fierce warrior and his rules reflect that. Lysander, Azrael and Calgar are described as being tough, tenacious and stubborn, so their extra wound and survivability reflects that. In reality a single bolter wound could fell each of them, so the wounds mechanic are purely a reflection, homage if you will, to portray the character of the individual in question. Simple really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2437883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem of the Wolf Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 we here at the fang do seem to have a rather open door...between the Angels, Templars and Ultramarines i think we should hire a bouncer or something. WLK I would be happy to volunteer for that *grins evilly* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2437884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 we here at the fang do seem to have a rather open door...between the Angels, Templars and Ultramarines i think we should hire a bouncer or something. WLK I would be happy to volunteer for that *grins evilly* Not met a bouncer yet who could muscle me around! Shouldn't be too reluctant to have visitors around, broadens your horizons etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2438066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Without us popping in every now and then to make sure you're getting the rules right (Seth at S9 for example), how would you know your evil killer combos actually worked? Besides, you might even pick up a trick or two or someone might let slip a specific strategem that another army can use that you'd never have noticed till too late otherwise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2438083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 The Fang has always had an open door policy. Pray it always does. Its always informative for our BA/BT and ultra cousins to come here and state their view. I for one did not relise seth was still str8 on the charge and not 9. Wispy relax and have an ale on me. I am sure you would defend the wolves on another forum as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2438115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 we here at the fang do seem to have a rather open door...between the Angels, Templars and Ultramarines i think we should hire a bouncer or something. WLK I would be happy to volunteer for that *grins evilly* Not met a bouncer yet who could muscle me around! Shouldn't be too reluctant to have visitors around, broadens your horizons etc. Agreed, besides- I think our three wolf lords can take any riff-raff that comes through. Anyways, I like getting a warm welcome in the other forums, and weve always been known for one here. So lighten up guys. Still, its to bad Logans to big for an AoD. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2438138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 My problem is not with the presence of players of other chapters, but with the conduct with one particular poster... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2438255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 we should set up an deathmatch arena where indivuduals can have a duel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2438267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 we should set up an deathmatch arena where indivuduals can have a duel. We already have duals in certain threads... except others like me nudge ourselves in at times :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2438277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem of the Wolf Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 *chuckles* when I volunteered I should have stated that it wasn't an attempt to make sure our more uptight brethren weren't able to come in,just that I was volunteering to 'remind' the rare few that need it every now and then to play nice lol. I mean...after all...nothing in the world says "Knock that silly stuff off" like having a person park their thunderwolf next to you and then have them mark your power armor as their territory. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2438304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 My problem is not with the presence of players of other chapters, but with the conduct with one particular poster... If you feel there is a problem, use the report button and let the moderators know of your concern. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2438372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverwolf Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 we should set up an deathmatch arena where indivuduals can have a duel. lol, some mates and I were doing this with various HQ units because we got bored of our 2500pt battles for a while :wallbash:. Some pretty interesting little fights acctually. After we worked our way through our various HQ units (IG, SW, Orks, Eldar), we started moving on to tanks and various other units - eg. Falcon Prism Tank dogfighting a Dual MM Tornado. Was good fun :D. But back on topic. As stated several times, its all about the game balance. In regards to the above mentioned duels, Logan didn't lose a single fight :wallbash:. I was dissapointed we didn't have any chaos lords or daemon princes to throw him in the ring with though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2438429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillen Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Welcome to 2nd edition 40k AKA Heroe Hammer. Basicly they add an extra wound to make said charctor look better. But they never think about the real outcome. So you have chapter masters that suck compared to other company commanders and so on. Also you have Codex creap. It helps sell the codex. Noobs can take a broken model or 2 and do way better then they should. Would probly still lose thou. I believe Logan should have 4 wounds. Any chapter master should have 4. Company Commanders 3. It just seems right. Don't get me started on Mephiston. He should be way more expensive. Plain as that. For his points he is broke. And show me a Blood sucker that does not stick him in a Crusader. Everytime I see him he is in a Crusader. So he will probly kill a Comman squad at some point. You have to sacrifice something to him to get him out and then you have a fight again. Make the points fair, or no one allow them to field him. I have no problems running made HQs. They are more blanced in the end. Make all chapter masters 4 wound and you have some balance. And it looks right as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2438449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyrer0me0 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 I have only faced mephiston once. He ate my drop podding Blood Claws with Wolf Priest, then I got lucky and he failed miserably and was eaten by the jaws of the world wolf. I cant say I know his rules but he seems a little bit over the top. Calgar I dont think has anything on Grimnar in the chapter master dept. As has been mentioned the simply fact that he is I 1 to be most effective means that even with his extra wound Grimnar will likely eat him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2444430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 wow never realized he was infantry and not jump infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2444440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Calgar I dont think has anything on Grimnar in the chapter master dept. As has been mentioned the simply fact that he is I 1 to be most effective means that even with his extra wound Grimnar will likely eat him. I's actually pretty even between the 2 of them despite hitting last until you choose his High King skill. What swings it firmly in Logan's Favour is he can give himself Preferred Enemy every turn. Grimnar is pretty tasty even without the extra wound. I do believe all Chapter Master's should have the extra wound though, even the Codex ones who should lose their Orbital Bombardment in a fair exchange! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204320-logan-grimnar/page/2/#findComment-2444592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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