Sparhawk Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 So I'll be playing my first game against CSM this weekend and I wanted to ask a question regarding DSing lesser Daemons. I know that they have to enter play from reserves via DS. The question is do they have to DS by a chaos icon character or can they DS anywhere, and if there is no icon on the board when the reserve roll comes up what happens? I don't own the C:CSM so I thought this would be a good place to ask. Also if there are any other funky rules that chaos has that I should be aware of please let me know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 They have to come in by an icon. If you kill all the icons before they arrive, they don't arrive ever. If no icon is on the board when the arrive, they are destroyed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2436690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian MacKay Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 You may also want to remember that DSing lesser daemons can assault on the turn they arrive. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2437576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparhawk Posted June 17, 2010 Author Share Posted June 17, 2010 Yeah I knew about the assaulting thing which is why I am very tempted to bring my Inquisitor and Mystics along and park them in a Rhino somewhere in range of either my Plasma canons or Vindys... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2437846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Whaaaaat? They MUST arrive within 6" of an Icon? Man, I have a CSM player I have to have a "polite" chat with. I'll be right back... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2438156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatman Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Stick a land speeder storm next to their icon and laugh as they scatter 4D6 rather then 2 :D Yeah destroy all icons and they cannot come on. Like bugs on a car windowscreen ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2438168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparhawk Posted June 17, 2010 Author Share Posted June 17, 2010 Any advice for dealing with chaos would be greatly appreciated in my thread over at the Tactica subforum. It's called Ultra Vs. Chaos and I'll edit in a link soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2438173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Stick a land speeder storm next to their icon and laugh as they scatter 4D6 rather then 2 <_< Yeah destroy all icons and they cannot come on. Like bugs on a car windowscreen :D Demons arriving near an icon don't scatter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2438312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Stick a land speeder storm next to their icon and laugh as they scatter 4D6 rather then 2 <_< Demons arriving near an icon don't scatter. your right, however the LSS jamming beacons nullify the effects of the icon.. and deepstrikers scatter the 4D6 i think he was a little confused between the two Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2438321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Stick a land speeder storm next to their icon and laugh as they scatter 4D6 rather then 2 <_< Demons arriving near an icon don't scatter. your right, however the LSS jamming beacons nullify the effects of the icon.. and deepstrikers scatter the 4D6 i think he was a little confused between the two If the effect of the icon is nullified, then wouldn't the lesser demons be unable to arrive? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2438323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Codex SM pg. 75 "Teleport homers, Chaos Icons andd similar wargear items that prevent deep strike scatter do not function within 6" of a Land Speeder Storm." Does that mean it doesn't work at all or just that it has to scatter the full 4D6? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2438413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakobus Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Codex SM pg. 75 "Teleport homers, Chaos Icons andd similar wargear items that prevent deep strike scatter do not function within 6" of a Land Speeder Storm."Does that mean it doesn't work at all or just that it has to scatter the full 4D6? I would probably say the within 6" of a LSS the icon doesn't function, I don't see how a Deamon could use a Icon that isn't functioning Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2438427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazardousZERO Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 The way to beat chaos is simple. Join in the spilling of blood for our god or die..... :wallbash: OK I'm back (who brought that guy :D ) The way to beat a chaos list is shoot all of his assault units as much as you can before they get to you. When they do have a good counter attack in place ready. His lesser daemons do assault on the turn they arrive but unless there large numbers there a one trick pony. They only have a +5 save it is an invul but its still a 5 just shoot them until there dust you'll be OK. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2438438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparhawk Posted June 18, 2010 Author Share Posted June 18, 2010 Here's a link to my thread asking for advice fighting chaos for anyone who wants to help out :( http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...p;#entry2438922 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2438932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 I would say, that landspeeder storm wouldnt effect chaos space marine summon daemons from deepstriking. Teleport homers, Chaos Icons andd similar wargear items that prevent deep strike scatter do not function within 6" of a Land Speeder Storm chaos marine daemons do not scatter at all, ever, so its not something that prevents deep strike scattering, or at least thats how I read it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2440100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Yeah its not wargear preventing the scater so LSS will have no effect. Now that i think of it the nids may be in the same boat as they dont have wargear persay Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2440128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Then why would they be specificly mentioned? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2440134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Lesser demons can not deepstrike except near an icon. If the icon stops functioning, how can the demons use it to deepstrike? Also, does a Land Speeder Storm turn off other functions of a Chaos icon (such as Icon of Nurgles +1 toughness bonus?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2440153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 its aimed at the icons being used by codex daemons, and also using icons to deep strike in terminators or oblitorators. As said above, as codex chaos marine lesser daemons do not scatter ever, the LSS wont effect them. it only effects things that would cancel out your scatter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2440185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 its aimed at the icons being used by codex daemons, and also using icons to deep strike in terminators or oblitorators. As said above, as codex chaos marine lesser daemons do not scatter ever, the LSS wont effect them. it only effects things that would cancel out your scatter. Thats not what their rules say. C:CSM says they dont scatter because they always come in next to a chaos icon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2440198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 yes, but they can only come in next to a icon, so will not scatter. If no icons are on the table the unit is destroyed. Ok, this may not be as cut and dry as i expected, as in the codex it states they dont scatter because they can only deepstrike within range of an icon, and thus wouldn't scatter, so maybe they would due to a LSS.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2440467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 Exactly my point. And since "Chaos Icons" are specificly mentioned, it would appear that the LSS's wargear takes precidence RAW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2440476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 I agree. The rule mentions Chaos Icons , the same Icons that allow units to DS without scatter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2440507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatman Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 I can't see the confusion here. The daemons appear next to an icon, and the icon prevents them from scattering, like a locator beacon does. The storm prevents locator beacons, teleport homers, AND CHAOS ICONS from functioning. So even if you let the daemons arrive (and RAW they shouldn't, as the icon now doesn't work), they will scatter 4D6" unless they get a hit on the scatter dice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2440765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 to me the LSS simply stops those items preventing scatter, i don't think it should stop them from being able to summon in daemons. They would just scatter 4D6" rather than be placed where you want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204354-deepstriking-daemons/#findComment-2440792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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