PH34RB0T Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I'm thinking of possibly making up a few Exorcists just because I've been so interested in the =][= lately, but last night it occurred to me that the GKs might not be so fond of the idea of fighting alongside them. So, how would the GKs view the Exorcists? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishoujo Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Are you talking Exorcists like... the Sisters of Battle tank? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2437776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xa0s Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I'm thinking of the SM chapter the Inquisition contributed to their creation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2437779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishoujo Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I'm thinking of the SM chapter the Inquisition contributed to their creation. Ehh, I figure that the Grey Knights are just there to do their job. I don't see them actively seeking allies in any way, shape or form. If someone happens to be fighting beside them, then I don't see them having issue as long as they aren't in the way and are doing the Emperor's work. The Exorcists are quite proficient in combating daemons, albeit through unconventional means. I can still see the Grey Knights fighting alongside of them. Sure, there is a small risk of one of the Exorcists falling back into daemonic possession - but that's something the Grey Knights have to keep in mind with any non-Grey Knight ally they might be fighting with. You could even argue that the Exorcists are LESS of a risk in falling to chaos than other elements of IG, SoB and SM. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2437785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarInHeaven Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 they"ll fight alongside them just as they would fight with any other ally (ie. only if they have to), but i don't think they like them that much, the Exo's fluff says that a force of GK was held in reserve during the Exo's first test (ie. invading a frigin' deamon world!) in case the Exo's couldn't handle it/turned sides. and sinds the Exo's are the ]['s attempt to make a second generation of daemonhunters, they are -not much but still- a risk to the GK's monopoly i can also see an older, close-minded (by GK standards) captain refusing to fight alongside them, seeing them as a liability Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2437819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiad Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Haha, I hope the GKs don't see other Imperial forces as competition to their 'monopoly'. It won't end well... Haven't read any books about them (BL books are the equivalent of pure fanwank) but other articles written about the exorcists suggest the Grey Knights at least tolerate them. Unless the GK's were left in the dark about the 'trials by possesion', they must have seen some virtue in existence of the Exorcists - considering the GK's oversaw the Exorcists christening battle. Funny because you'd figure that a chapter that frowns upon the practice of using daemonhosts would condemn the practices of the Exorcists too. Now that the exorcists have proven themselves I'm sure the GK's treat them like they would any other chapter. Also what's with this idea that GKs are constantly worried about other chapters becoming corrupted during battle? If anything I bet GKs just expect other SMs to get the job done properly and are more concerned with quickly expunging the daemonic incursion itself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2437928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I think that would be very fluffy to use GKs with Exorcists as allies (or vice versa) to simulate the GKs overwatching the Exorcists to be sure that they don't act "funny" :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2437942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brovius Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Haha, I hope the GKs don't see other Imperial forces as competition to their 'monopoly'. It won't end well... Haha definitely not. The Grey Knights are estimated to number about ~3000 across the entire Imperium. Fluffwise, not a single SM chapter could stand up to that (Except the BT, who have a lot more marines, but are more spread out in isolated crusades). Tabletop wise, Grey Knights will win as long as the enemy isn't packing tanks :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2437953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Fluffwise the Inquisition always wins, because if you don't like it we'll blow your planet up... Hmm.. what else does that remind me of? Oh yeah :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2437956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justicar Valius Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 IIRC the iniation ceremonies aren't shared with the GK or anyone especially the =][= that didnt contribute to their creation. It's almost as bad as daemonhosts and may as well be. Exocuminacte traitoris for all involved if the word gets out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2437957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brovius Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 The Grey Knights must know something if they were overseeing their christening battle. It would be enough to attract their cautious attention, but not enough to enact their righteous fury Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2437960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Nah, from the sound of things (and there is precious little we do know about the Exorcists), kinda went down like so; 1. Cabal meets, discusses the merits of creating a Chapter of Illuminati (people who have no warp-presence, because they have resisted daemonic corruption) 2. Does first trials, makes enough Marines for a viable test 3. Deploys their Chamber Militant to oversee the first combat trial, Exorcists deemed over 90% effective (ie fewer than 10% regressed, and they worked fantastically against Daemons). Grey Knights are presumably re-deployed to other warzones or back to Titan. 4. Homeworld of Banish is chosen, Lords of the Chapter are chosen (ie Master of the Forge, Chief Librarian, Chapter Master, Company Captains). Codex deviation comes in the form of an additional Scout company, the 11th (as the Exorcists burn through more recruits than conventional Astartes Chapters, due to the exorcism ritual). 5. Chapter served with distinction at Badab (raided a world of rogue psykers, was instrumental in the blockade which reduced the Astral Claws to under 200 Marines), recorded as deploying to assist in Third War for Armageddon. Very probably involvement in the Siege of Cadia. Thats pretty much all we know, aside from fan-made stuff (like the Badab War campaign rules made by BoLS, or even the Exorcist article on this site). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2438381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brovius Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 The Exorcists are not made up of Illuminati, the Inquisition consider the Illuminated as dangerous heretics, despite there being a few Illuminati inquisitors among their ranks. Also, only 1% regressed in the first trial on the daemon world. Other than that, the rest is about right :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2438479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Actually technically speaking all members of the Illuminati are Inquisitors, specifically a sub-section of the Thorian philosophy of the Inquisition, which actually by definition makes them Puritans :P Gotta love technicalities... It's actually two extra companies of scouts, for a total of 12 companies, three of which are scout companies :) There were chapter traits for them from a games thing years ago, which were Purity Above All and Strength in Suspicion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2438608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 I dont see as they would have any real issues. After all, on the Exorcist's first test at the Battle Company level on a daemon world, they achieved a kill ration of 99:1, with a SINGLE SQUAD of GK as reserve.... So they arent quite up to snuff comparatively (fluff-speaking, that is), but they definatly are a sight better than other chapters, and I could see a battlefield partnership there. You would just have to run the Exorcists as your parent list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2438671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brovius Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Actually technically speaking all members of the Illuminati are Inquisitors, specifically a sub-section of the Thorian philosophy of the Inquisition, which actually by definition makes them Puritans :) Gotta love technicalities... Not all, but many, as our friends at Lexicanum say. The Inquisition, Ordo Malleus in particular, view the Sensei as dangerous mutants and heretics, and because the Illuminati aim at finding these Sensei, the Illuminati are treated as highly dangerous heretics by the Inquisition, regardless the purity of their actions (to revive the Emperor and lead humanity to victory against Chaos) Thorians or not, the Inquisition as a whole does not accept them. The Emperor, should he be revived, would most likely kick some serious Imperial a#! due to them defying his wishes to not be venerated as a god. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2439059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 Well, I meant Illuminati in the context of 'got possessed, bitchslapped the daemon back to the warp, is now a complete badass and immune to warp-energies'. In that respect, all Exorcists are Illuminati. Also, only 1% regressed in the first trial on the daemon world. My bad. Damn, that is pretty successful though...when you consider that was their first outing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2440500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brovius Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 My bad. Damn, that is pretty successful though...when you consider that was their first outing. 1 percent of a standard chapter is 100 Marines. 100 Marines possessed by daemons is a very dangerous thing. Anyone in GW would have had the Inquisition purge the entire chapter for the regression. This just goes to show how uncannonised BL publications really are. Edit: Anyone in GW except Mat Ward Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2440534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 My bad. Damn, that is pretty successful though...when you consider that was their first outing. 1 percent of a standard chapter is 100 Marines. 100 Marines possessed by daemons is a very dangerous thing. Anyone in GW would have had the Inquisition purge the entire chapter for the regression. This just goes to show how uncannonised BL publications really are. Edit: Anyone in GW except Mat Ward What? 1 percent of a standard chapter is 10 Marines. Not a hundred. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2440564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 What? 1 percent of a standard chapter is 10 Marines. Not a hundred. Correct. The point still stands, however - 10 possessions in a single engagement is not a good sign at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2440567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PH34RB0T Posted June 20, 2010 Author Share Posted June 20, 2010 Actually, there were only 2 possessions in the original engagement because there were only 2 companies worth of marines ready for battle. And if I remember right, the fluff-ish stuff we have states that the scientists/experimenters believed that they could fix what caused the repossession, so it might not be an issue anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2440578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brovius Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 What? 1 percent of a standard chapter is 10 Marines. Not a hundred. Must have been thinking Legions, my bad The score is still pretty bad for them though Exorcists: 1 battle, 2 turned to chaos Grey Knights: 10,000 years, not a single one Grey Knights would have intervened Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2440818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Nobody fights Chaos and Daemons as well as the Grey Knights do; that is simply the way it is. As has been said before that Grey Knights are to normal Space Marines as Space Marines are to humans (though the current tabletop rules do not match the fluff). However, my understanding of the matter is that, for normal Space Marines, the Exorcists gave a substantially above-average performance against the forces of Chaos. IIRC, one of the main reasons behind the creation of the Exorcists was to provide the OM with some Marines that could be used when the GK were not available and/or the situation was not quite serious enough to merit dispatching GKs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2441839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Haven't read any books about them (BL books are the equivalent of pure fanwank) but other articles written about the exorcists suggest the Grey Knights at least tolerate them. Silly opinion aside (where you judge every writer ever published by a publishing house), I'd say that yeah, the Grey Knights tolerate them. I imagine the Grey Knights see the Exorcists as an amusing, occasionally useful deviation from the traditional Astartes norm. They're barely any stronger than normal Space Marines by Grey Knight terms, really - but I'm sure the GKs are at least curious about the Inquisition's investment in the Chapter's creation. By comparison, the Exorcists likely fancy themselves as quite the heroic gentlemen, and would probably be surprised to learn that the =][= had a real daemonhunter Chapter in the shadows. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2441868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiad Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Hmm, I've always been erked with the 'doubled' exaggerations of Grey Knights (and Adeptus Custodes) over other marines. True their unique training does make them extra deadly in certain areas of combat – assault etc. However the Grey Knights are physically similar. It's just their psychic potency allows the Grey Knights to augment their physical potential. Librarians have similar (though depending on your bias, lesser) abilities. In that respect, TT is quite accurate. As for the Exorcists, nicely summed up. I just want to explain that the exorcism of the daemon supposedly means they aren't as discernible to most minor creatures of the warp - an advantage I'd imagine GK's are nearly envious of. Aware of this, Imperial forces realise they can approach the daemonic threat from an alternative angle to the GKs. On a side point to earlier discussion, I wouldn't quite consider them on the level of the Illuminati - mainly because they have external help with their exorcism and were only possessed with 'minor' daemons, apparently... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204430-how-do-the-grey-knights-view-the-exorcists/#findComment-2441909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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