How do the Grey Knights view the Exorcists?

[Gree]

Haven't read any books about them (BL books are the equivalent of pure fanwank) but other articles written about the exorcists suggest the Grey Knights at least tolerate them.

 

Silly opinion aside (where you judge every writer ever published by a publishing house), I'd say that yeah, the Grey Knights tolerate them. I imagine the Grey Knights see the Exorcists as an amusing, occasionally useful deviation from the traditional Astartes norm. They're barely any stronger than normal Space Marines by Grey Knight terms, really - but I'm sure the GKs are at least curious about the Inquisition's investment in the Chapter's creation. By comparison, the Exorcists likely fancy themselves as quite the heroic gentlemen, and would probably be surprised to learn that the =][= had a real daemonhunter Chapter in the shadows.

 

Well here's the problem. The Daemonhunsters Codex presents the Grey Knights as absolute beacons of purity. They do not tolerate the daemonic at all. This is reflected in that Radicals and Daemonhosts can't be fielded on the tabletop alongside them. Now, as you would imagine, since the creation of the Exorcists involves not only willingly and knowingly summoning daemons but also making daemonhosts before exorcising them........well that's essentially anathema to the Knights' beliefs.

 

I cannot imagine the Grey Knights ever working alongside the Exorcists if they had any idea of how they were created.

[A D-B]

Haven't read any books about them (BL books are the equivalent of pure fanwank) but other articles written about the exorcists suggest the Grey Knights at least tolerate them.

 

Silly opinion aside (where you judge every writer ever published by a publishing house), I'd say that yeah, the Grey Knights tolerate them. I imagine the Grey Knights see the Exorcists as an amusing, occasionally useful deviation from the traditional Astartes norm. They're barely any stronger than normal Space Marines by Grey Knight terms, really - but I'm sure the GKs are at least curious about the Inquisition's investment in the Chapter's creation. By comparison, the Exorcists likely fancy themselves as quite the heroic gentlemen, and would probably be surprised to learn that the =][= had a real daemonhunter Chapter in the shadows.

 

Well here's the problem. The Daemonhunsters Codex presents the Grey Knights as absolute beacons of purity. They do not tolerate the daemonic at all. This is reflected in that Radicals and Daemonhosts can't be fielded on the tabletop. Now, as you would imagine, since the creation of the Exorcists involves not only willingly and knowingly summoning daemons but also making daemonhosts before exorcising them........well that's essentially anathema to the Knights' beliefs.

 

I cannot imagine the Grey Knights ever working alongside the Exorcists if they had any idea of how they were created.

 

See, I'm all for that view. It's the one I'd prefer.

 

I don't expect it to be in the next codex, though (whenever that might be).

[Gree]

I don't expect it to be in the next codex, though (whenever that might be).

 

People are hearing rumors of it around December 2010.

[A D-B]

I don't expect it to be in the next codex, though (whenever that might be).

 

People are hearing rumors of it around December 2010.

 

Shhhh. I was trying to be innocent, dude.

[Gree]

I don't expect it to be in the next codex, though (whenever that might be).

 

People are hearing rumors of it around December 2010.

 

Shhhh. I was trying to be innocent, dude.

 

Sorry, I'm just waiting with baited breath to see what GW is going to do with the Inquisition codices in 5th.

[Chengar Qordath]

Haven't read any books about them (BL books are the equivalent of pure fanwank) but other articles written about the exorcists suggest the Grey Knights at least tolerate them.

 

Silly opinion aside (where you judge every writer ever published by a publishing house), I'd say that yeah, the Grey Knights tolerate them. I imagine the Grey Knights see the Exorcists as an amusing, occasionally useful deviation from the traditional Astartes norm. They're barely any stronger than normal Space Marines by Grey Knight terms, really - but I'm sure the GKs are at least curious about the Inquisition's investment in the Chapter's creation. By comparison, the Exorcists likely fancy themselves as quite the heroic gentlemen, and would probably be surprised to learn that the =][= had a real daemonhunter Chapter in the shadows.

 

Well here's the problem. The Daemonhunsters Codex presents the Grey Knights as absolute beacons of purity. They do not tolerate the daemonic at all. This is reflected in that Radicals and Daemonhosts can't be fielded on the tabletop alongside them. Now, as you would imagine, since the creation of the Exorcists involves not only willingly and knowingly summoning daemons but also making daemonhosts before exorcising them........well that's essentially anathema to the Knights' beliefs.

 

I cannot imagine the Grey Knights ever working alongside the Exorcists if they had any idea of how they were created.

I always saw the bar on having Daemonhosts in the same army as more a matter of simple common sense than any commentary on where the GKs sit on the Puritan-Radical divide. When Grey Knights see a Daemon they kill it, so having a Daemon in the same army as them would be a total violation of fluff and common sense.

 

That is not to mention that a Daemonhost is, so far as the Inquisition is concerned, not so much Radicalism as out-and-out treason. There is a substantial gap between the a moderate Recongregator or Xanthite and the sort of Inquisitor who would create a Daemonhost. It does bug me that some people seem to be under the impression that every single Radical of any sort has a pet Daemonhost.

[Brovius]

Hmm, I've always been erked with the 'doubled' exaggerations of Grey Knights (and Adeptus Custodes) over other marines. True their unique training does make them extra deadly in certain areas of combat – assault etc. However the Grey Knights are physically similar. It's just their psychic potency allows the Grey Knights to augment their physical potential. Librarians have similar (though depending on your bias, lesser) abilities. In that respect, TT is quite accurate.

 

As for the Exorcists, nicely summed up. I just want to explain that the exorcism of the daemon supposedly means they aren't as discernible to most minor creatures of the warp - an advantage I'd imagine GK's are nearly envious of. Aware of this, Imperial forces realise they can approach the daemonic threat from an alternative angle to the GKs. On a side point to earlier discussion, I wouldn't quite consider them on the level of the Illuminati - mainly because they have external help with their exorcism and were only possessed with 'minor' daemons, apparently...

 

 

TT Grey Knights aren't that accurate (due to GW not updating our codex *hint hint*) in the sense that a Grand Master has the same WS as a new Grey Knights recruit, whereas every other chapter's Captains and Commanders have higher weapon skill. Once again, it only comes down to the lack of support GW have been giving us. They could have easily done an Errata on this by now.

 

You raise a good point about the Exorcists not being Illuminati. Even then, Grey Knights in the codex fluff wouldn't have allowed the Exorcists to survive, even after seeing their first battle. 1% of them relapsing back into Daemonic control is too much, and is insulting to the Grey Knights, experienced Daemon killers who have not had a single member turn in their 10,000 year history.

 

This leads me to believe that the Exorcists were made by Radicals (Puritans would not even use a Daemon to shine their shoes), and the methods of their creation must be entirely unknown to the Grey Knights. It was most likely a "Hey, come check out this new Daemon-fighting chapter. Oh s*#! some of them are being possessed! It's ok, the others killed the possessed ones"

 

We never know what's going to happen with the new codex though. If Mat Ward gets his grimy mitts on it, we better kiss our fluff goodbye. Here comes Codex: Shiny Ultramarines successors

[Oiad]

Yeah, blame the current profile values on the lack of an update since 3rd Edition. All MEQ commanders had WS5 or similar back then. By rights our next codex should give us GM's should have a WS of 6 or even 7. Due to herohammer, they keep on upgrading the WS value each edition - writers always want their warriors to be the best. :P

 

I'd like to reiterate something I'm always saying, whenever our codex is released they better deliver on the 'best of the best' thing...

[Verythrax Draconis]

I see people usually put the supposed "purity" of GKs in the same level of blind faith/hate of the average marines.

 

I see it a bit differently. I think that are more cunning and even more "malicious" than you average SM. They are pure because they are incorruptible, but they must have a much more versatible mindframe, simply to be able to do their work. Think with me:

 

- they are part (they don work to, they have a foot on the command mand of it as well) of the =I= the most cunning organization in the Imperium. they must be able to face, deal and predict the moves of the most mischevious enemies ever;

- as part of =I= they must be very aware of what needs to be done and what sacrifices and concessions you must do to save mankind.

 

Based on that I would say that, if they don't took part on the exorcists founding in an enthusiastical way, they should be at least, as ADB says, amused by them - like someone said, they can deal with the daemonic threat on a different angle, and they know that the GKs themselves can fight chaos in every single way. They could had frown when the idea of possession was presented (but all =I= should be a bit used to unorthodox ideas to some extent) but when the whole project was laid out, and they got the assurance that the GK would supervise the work themselves, they must had accepted it quite well - specially after the astounishing results of the Exorcists debut.

[PhallenFoenix]

I agree with the above on the view of the GK on the Exorcist chapter. Remember, one of the heads of the inquisition is a Gray Knight Grandmaster.

 

I imagine the conversation went something like this:

 

Inquisitor - We have an idea for a space marine chapter. We want to let them all become possessed with daemons, then exorcise then, then send them to fight deamons. That will disguise their warp signature and give them a necessary edge against chaos.

 

Gray knight GM - ...are you crazy?

 

Inquisitor - No, we think it can work. The gray knight serve as an admirable chamber militant, but they can't be everywhere, and they can't be replaced nearly as fast as a normal space marine chapter could - This can serve as a valuable fighting force, and as a buffer for our losses.

 

Gray knight GM - We supervise the work. This could go badly wrong, and you'll need us on hand to fight the out of control daemonhosts this could produce.

 

Inquisitor - Sounds good to me.

[Kurgan the Lurker]

Grey Knights are more involved with the Exorcists than folks know according to some of the latest BL material. This came up in another discussion on Exorcists here:

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=204264

 

 

The line from "Head Hunted" in Heroes of the Space Marines is pretty definitive on the issue. From page 279 (Speaking in regards to the Exorcist member of the Kill-team):

 

Even the mighty Grey Knights, from whose seed Rauth's Chapter had been born, could hardly have been more suited to the task.

[Magnus Thane]

they"ll fight alongside them just as they would fight with any other ally (ie. only if they have to),

 

but i don't think they like them that much, the Exo's fluff says that a force of GK was held in reserve during the Exo's first test (ie. invading a frigin' deamon world!) in case the Exo's couldn't handle it/turned sides. and sinds the Exo's are the ]['s attempt to make a second generation of daemonhunters, they are -not much but still- a risk to the GK's monopoly

 

i can also see an older, close-minded (by GK standards) captain refusing to fight alongside them, seeing them as a liability

 

Yeah... and I know you War In Heaven! Exorcist player! You're just planning planning to backstab me on the wargaming table... revealing yourself as a follower of Chaos!

The taint runs too deep! :lol: