WYSIWYG: powerfist/lightning claw

[Grimtooth]

So in your opinion, if I have one wolf claw would it be acceptable to represent a wolf claw with blades sheethed with a powerfist?

 

Just trying to save wolf claws while I have plenty of fists.

 

I would of course tell my opponent, but wondering if a sheathed bladed wolf claw just look like a powerfist.

[Valerian]

So in your opinion, if I have one wolf claw would it be acceptable to represent a wolf claw with blades sheethed with a powerfist?

 

Just trying to save wolf claws while I have plenty of fists.

 

I would of course tell my opponent, but wondering if a sheathed bladed wolf claw just look like a powerfist.

 

If you have to explain it to someone beforehand, then it doesn't really meet "what you see is what you get" requirements. Even if you tell him, it is too easy to forget in the middle of a game; your opponent is going to look at the model and see a Power Fist.

 

To be compliant you either need to fork over for the correct bitz, or use some combat knives ti kit-bash some blades onto those PF knuckles.

 

V

[airbornegrove26]

Brother Ramses,

 

I say do want you want. It's your army and your the one spending the money on it, build it how you want. If the guys in your club are okay with it cool. If not who cares doesn't seem to hard to get the concept, if I see one WC I'm really seeing 2.

[Silverwolf]

Airborne, Ramses is refering to the WYSIWYG rule that is required to be followed for most tournaments, and some clubs making your post irrelevant, as whether he wants it to or not, a Power Fist as a Wolf Claw is not WYSIWYG until he takes the time to convert it into a Wolf Claw as Valerian mentioned.

[Grey Mage]

You could note the small difference between PFs and LCs- the little ribbed parts over each knuckle where the blade comes out- model it with a bit of green stuff and it should be pretty clear.

[Grimtooth]

So in your opinion, if I have one wolf claw would it be acceptable to represent a wolf claw with blades sheethed with a powerfist?

 

Just trying to save wolf claws while I have plenty of fists.

 

I would of course tell my opponent, but wondering if a sheathed bladed wolf claw just look like a powerfist.

 

If you have to explain it to someone beforehand, then it doesn't really meet "what you see is what you get" requirements. Even if you tell him, it is too easy to forget in the middle of a game; your opponent is going to look at the model and see a Power Fist.

 

To be compliant you either need to fork over for the correct bitz, or use some combat knives ti kit-bash some blades onto those PF knuckles.

 

V

 

There is no sheathed wolf claw bitz. I am trying to create a sheathed wold claw since they are not always out sticking into stuff and or people.

[Silverwolf]

I'd go with Grey Mage's idea then. Have a good look at the Wolf Claws, and how the ridged section the claws come out of is modeled, and try to replicate this on the Power Fists with GS.

[postal105]

or you could just take some green stuff and sculpt some claws on to the power fists.

[Grey Mage]

Artisticly though that gives an entirely different feel to the model.

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

how about removing either the two inner claws or the outer claws and gluing/greenstuffing them onto a power fist?

 

quick little offshoot why is it that lc/wc use powerfist housing yet strike at base I instead of I1?

[JCarter]

Alternatively, paint your WCs in one paint design and paint your PFs in a different, easily distinguishable design, desdigns that are easily and rapidly differentiated by your opponents. An example would be black with red markings for PFs and electric blue and silver for WCs.

[Grey Mage]

how about removing either the two inner claws or the outer claws and gluing/greenstuffing them onto a power fist?

 

quick little offshoot why is it that lc/wc use powerfist housing yet strike at base I instead of I1?

Because you dont just punch things with a powerfist- you grab and crush them like a tin can, one handed.

 

That takes time, you have to come to grips with your opponent, and then you have to squish him.

 

Lighting claws you can use like a pair of cat claws... all fast slashes and such.

[Xeenos]

I actually made a Wolf Lord a few years ago, and i gave him a home made Thunderclaw that i just used as a Frostweapon.. Anyway, i used a Powerfist, cut the 4 fingers off and then put some greenstuff on it, i then had 4 nails.. used some scrap metal i belive and filed them to points and in a triagle shape, bent slightly to look right. Pushed them into the green stuff, little glue to hold it, little molding to match the green stuff to the fist.. Boom, its a flawless Powerfist gone Wolf Claw.

 

Only mistake i made was.. i made the fingers different lengths to look like real fingers, but i mixed up the pinky claw, with the ring claw.. so their a little odd looking. But oh well.

[hmk17]

That's an idea there, Xeenos.

 

Convert into an heresy-era version with the taloned fingers.

[Plastenarius]

I agree with the other posters. Its tricky trying to model both of them onto one model. WYSIWYG is fairly self explanatory in the way that if there is a GW model for something then that is what you need to model it as. IF you don't care/don't need to adhere to this rule then a modeler can really do as he wishes. It depends on if you're trying to use this model for a tourny or a friendly game.

[Valerian]

So in your opinion, if I have one wolf claw would it be acceptable to represent a wolf claw with blades sheethed with a powerfist?

 

Just trying to save wolf claws while I have plenty of fists.

 

I would of course tell my opponent, but wondering if a sheathed bladed wolf claw just look like a powerfist.

 

If you have to explain it to someone beforehand, then it doesn't really meet "what you see is what you get" requirements. Even if you tell him, it is too easy to forget in the middle of a game; your opponent is going to look at the model and see a Power Fist.

 

To be compliant you either need to fork over for the correct bitz, or use some combat knives ti kit-bash some blades onto those PF knuckles.

 

V

 

There is no sheathed wolf claw bitz. I am trying to create a sheathed wold claw since they are not always out sticking into stuff and or people.

 

Ramses,

 

That's not what you said in your original post:

Just trying to save wolf claws while I have plenty of fists.

 

Which told me that you weren't really trying to figure out how to model a sheathed Wolf Claw, but were trying to figure out if it was okay to just use the Power Fists that you do have, and then justify them as Wolf Claws with the blades retracted. To answer your question regarding WYSIWYG, the answer is still clearly no.

 

Therefore, my response is still appropriate - if you want to be WYSIWYG compliant you need to either model on the blades to your Power Fists (using Combat Knives from the Scout set would work), or order the appropriate bitz - as in the actual Wolf Claws that you need, but do not have.

 

If you take your Power Fists and attempt to model them in some other way (drilling holes in the knuckles, or maybe green-stuffing studs onto the knuckles) to try and better represent a Wolf Claw with a retracted blade, then I'm still not sure that would make them WYSIWYG compliant, but it might.

 

Now, that all being said, I would still play with you either way as I am a very easy going "friendly-games" type of player, but not everyone plays with that same attitude, and I'd reckon that many tournament-goers might give you trouble.

 

V

 

quick little offshoot why is it that lc/wc use powerfist housing yet strike at base I instead of I1?

 

Well, back in the day (2nd Edition) that weren't any "slow" weapons; everyone just attacked when it was their turn to attack. Close combat worked, much, much differently then, by the way. Anyway, IIRC the Power Fist was a Strength 8 weapon that did a single Wound - the Lightning Claw was little more than an improved Power Fist (just like it appears to be), and was a Strength 8 weapon that did d3 Wounds. Yes, many weapons did variable wounds back then with a successful hit; now all weapons just do a single Wound, or outright kill the opponent with Instant Death.

 

Since all weapons in 3rd Edition were changed to do a single Wound each, they had to do something different with the Lightning Claw, or it wouldn't have been any different than a Power Fist. So, the bulky high-strength weapons (Power Fists and Thunderhammers) became slow, and the Lightning Claw was changed to become the same as a Power Weapon, but with rerolls to Wound.

 

The historic ties between the LC and the PF were essentially forgotten.

 

V

[Grimtooth]

So in your opinion, if I have one wolf claw would it be acceptable to represent a wolf claw with blades sheethed with a powerfist?

 

Just trying to save wolf claws while I have plenty of fists.

 

I would of course tell my opponent, but wondering if a sheathed bladed wolf claw just look like a powerfist.

 

If you have to explain it to someone beforehand, then it doesn't really meet "what you see is what you get" requirements. Even if you tell him, it is too easy to forget in the middle of a game; your opponent is going to look at the model and see a Power Fist.

 

To be compliant you either need to fork over for the correct bitz, or use some combat knives ti kit-bash some blades onto those PF knuckles.

 

V

 

There is no sheathed wolf claw bitz. I am trying to create a sheathed wold claw since they are not always out sticking into stuff and or people.

 

Ramses,

 

That's not what you said in your original post:

Just trying to save wolf claws while I have plenty of fists.

 

Which told me that you weren't really trying to figure out how to model a sheathed Wolf Claw, but were trying to figure out if it was okay to just use the Power Fists that you do have, and then justify them as Wolf Claws with the blades retracted. To answer your question regarding WYSIWYG, the answer is still clearly no.

 

Therefore, my response is still appropriate - if you want to be WYSIWYG compliant you need to either model on the blades to your Power Fists (using Combat Knives from the Scout set would work), or order the appropriate bitz - as in the actual Wolf Claws that you need, but do not have.

 

If you take your Power Fists and attempt to model them in some other way (drilling holes in the knuckles, or maybe green-stuffing studs onto the knuckles) to try and better represent a Wolf Claw with a retracted blade, then I'm still not sure that would make them WYSIWYG compliant, but it might.

 

Now, that all being said, I would still play with you either way as I am a very easy going "friendly-games" type of player, but not everyone plays with that same attitude, and I'd reckon that many tournament-goers might give you trouble.

 

V

 

quick little offshoot why is it that lc/wc use powerfist housing yet strike at base I instead of I1?

 

Well, back in the day (2nd Edition) that weren't any "slow" weapons; everyone just attacked when it was their turn to attack. Close combat worked, much, much differently then, by the way. Anyway, IIRC the Power Fist was a Strength 8 weapon that did a single Wound - the Lightning Claw was little more than an improved Power Fist (just like it appears to be), and was a Strength 8 weapon that did d3 Wounds. Yes, many weapons did variable wounds back then with a successful hit; now all weapons just do a single Wound, or outright kill the opponent with Instant Death.

 

Since all weapons in 3rd Edition were changed to do a single Wound each, they had to do something different with the Lightning Claw, or it wouldn't have been any different than a Power Fist. So, the bulky high-strength weapons (Power Fists and Thunderhammers) became slow, and the Lightning Claw was changed to become the same as a Power Weapon, but with rerolls to Wound.

 

The historic ties between the LC and the PF were essentially forgotten.

 

V

 

I have plenty of both bitz.

 

By saving wolf claws, I meant not really wanting to take a a razor to one and cutting off the claws to show sheathed claws when I have an almost exact replica of the gauntlet minus the claws with a powerfist.

 

GM has the best idea of just adding the ribbed top parts to a powerfist. If I don't like it, I might just take a razor to a set but not cut them all the way off and just leave it so it looks as if just retracting.

[Vampyrer0me0]

People for the most part tend to be pretty accommodating of counts as and what not. At least where I have played. I dont use any lightning claw bits in my army since I dont like the look of them. Anyone with wolf claws has some converted axes which will be painted in a specific way. The only axe in my army that isnt a wolf claw is a two handed axe from the Grey Hunters box which is a frost blade.

 

So far even at tourneys I havent had any complaints most people are pretty cool as long as you are clear with what is going on and it is easy to see what you are going with.

[Niiai]

I supose it would be cool to glue the end of a power sword on and make Katars. Unly they could easaly be confused with chain fists.