Tycho

[Burningblood]

Has there been any official or rational resolution on whether or not Death Company Tycho goes into your death company? Whether or not he's an HQ unit?

[kollar]

Has there been any official or rational resolution on whether or not Death Company Tycho goes into your death company? Whether or not he's an HQ unit?

 

 

He is a HQ unit. He does not go with the Death Company. He is not an IC. There is no foundation in any of the rules to support him as a upgrade character for the Death Company, or being able to join the Death Company.

[Drachnon]

However if you play with friends you might just ask if you can add him to your DC because he was probably meant to anyway.

[Burningblood]

Infuriating.

I think I'll wait to make a conversion of him until the Storm Raven model drops.

That would be a mean DC unit-

Tycho- independantly inside a storm raven backed up by a reclusiarch and ten DC badasses.

[kollar]

However if you play with friends you might just ask if you can add him to your DC because he was probably meant to anyway.

 

No offense, but I absolutely hate when someone says "he's meant to". No, he's not. In fact, the rules point in the entirely opposite direction. The whole "he was meant to go there" is something people has made up for themselves, as -they- think he's meant to. If that's your opinion, then fine. But don't try to pass it off as if GW intended it that way, because the rules clearly shows he's not intended to.

 

Infuriating.

I think I'll wait to make a conversion of him until the Storm Raven model drops.

That would be a mean DC unit-

Tycho- independantly inside a storm raven backed up by a reclusiarch and ten DC badasses.

 

Don't mean to rain on your parade, but you can't take DC Tycho and a DC unit in the same Stormraven, as it can only hold one unit (with attached characters).

[Devilmixer]

However if you play with friends you might just ask if you can add him to your DC because he was probably meant to anyway.

 

No offense, but I absolutely hate when someone says "he's meant to". No, he's not. In fact, the rules point in the entirely opposite direction. The whole "he was meant to go there" is something people has made up for themselves, as -they- think he's meant to. If that's your opinion, then fine. But don't try to pass it off as if GW intended it that way, because the rules clearly shows he's not intended to.

 

well I dont know if he was meant to or not, dont care either, as we gereraly dont play with special chars in my groupe, and in dose rare ocations we do I woudent take hin any ways, but we have seen many cases were the rules says one thing but when the faq comes out they say another, some times it is quite clear that there is a mistake, like oure demoliser not having blast, but until we get an faq you cant say

because the rules clearly shows he's not intended to.

 

I personaly dont think he is meant to, but see no good reason why he shouldnt be abel to join DC's

[Brother-Captain Lucius]

No offense, but I absolutely hate when someone says "he's meant to". No, he's not. In fact, the rules point in the entirely opposite direction. The whole "he was meant to go there" is something people has made up for themselves, as -they- think he's meant to. If that's your opinion, then fine. But don't try to pass it off as if GW intended it that way, because the rules clearly shows he's not intended to.

 

I think Kollar is right here about the rules as if GW wanted him to be with the DC unit then he wouldnt have fleet in his special rules. If he were then the DC would have to have fleet too.

[Burningblood]

The SRG is heavy support. I was under the impression you could stick whatever in heavy support as it is not a dedicated transport.

[Isryion]

Well, you could take regular tycho and put him with a DC unit instead.

[stinkenheim]

The SRG is heavy support. I was under the impression you could stick whatever in heavy support as it is not a dedicated transport.

 

to an extent your correct. Non Dedicated transports can hold any unit and attached characters. No transport however is able to hold two squads, regardlss of the number of models it can hold.

For example, a land raider crusader can hold 16. So whilst it could hold a ten man tactical squad and sang priest (10 men + 1 IC) you couldn't also put in a 5 man sternguard squad even though the transport has the capacity for it.

[Morticon]

I think Kollar is right here about the rules as if GW wanted him to be with the DC unit then he wouldnt have fleet in his special rules. If he were then the DC would have to have fleet too.

 

Like Lucas the Trickster and Arjacs abilities that only work when they're alone?

 

I think Matt Ward playing Tycho with the DC in his batrep (whether wrong or right rules wise) is pretty good indication of what was intended.

So the cloth cuts both ways there, Kollar.

However, as Kollar mentioned, there is currently no cold hard "rules" backing up Tycho being included as part of the DC.

There are however fluff and flavor texts all about to imply that.

 

RAW- sadly not.

RAI - debateable.

[Sanguinarian]

Has there been any official or rational resolution on whether or not Death Company Tycho goes into your death company? Whether or not he's an HQ unit?

He is a HQ unit. He does not go with the Death Company. He is not an IC. There is no foundation in any of the rules to support him as a upgrade character for the Death Company, or being able to join the Death Company.

 

 

However if you play with friends you might just ask if you can add him to your DC because he was probably meant to anyway.

 

 

 

I hate when someone asks if there's been any update on what appears to be a clear-as-mud topic and they've gotta get a brick smashed in their face because they have a different viewpoint.

 

@drachnon gave the perfect answer.

 

@mort gave #2.

 

#3 I don't know if there's been an official FAQ released yet, but that sure would be FUN if you could attach Psycho to a DC footslogging unit, just as Lemartes can be attached to a JP DC.

 

#4 I don't even live on the same continent as you nor would we ever play each other, so my answer would only apply to my local group, if I actually played, so my vote is no, but I can see how there might be room for a friendly unofficial debate.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I have heard it was a misprint & will be corrected when they get around to releasing their errata & FAQ. Take that for what you will. I woukd have no problem with anyone fielding Tycho joined to the DC. Now calling him an emo boy is another case altogether.

 

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[MylesTheTroll]

Codex mess up aren't anything new. The BRB even says that Wave Serpent's front armor is 2. 2?! Then there is the Vindy thing which is clearly a mess up, and anyone who says other-wise is clearly delusional. And yeah, the official FAQS might go the other way with the rulings like they did with Ragnar's d3 attacks being used with counter-attack that completely went against them saying that the Blood Claws couldn't get their +2s with counter-attack.

 

Best way to go about it until it gets FAQ (if it does) is to okay it with your group/opponent. If they say no, then it's a no. No point in arguing it with them since you can't prove it clearly states you could otherwise, cherubs.

[Burningblood]

Has there been any official or rational resolution on whether or not Death Company Tycho goes into your death company? Whether or not he's an HQ unit?

He is a HQ unit. He does not go with the Death Company. He is not an IC. There is no foundation in any of the rules to support him as a upgrade character for the Death Company, or being able to join the Death Company.

 

 

However if you play with friends you might just ask if you can add him to your DC because he was probably meant to anyway.

 

 

 

I hate when someone asks if there's been any update on what appears to be a clear-as-mud topic and they've gotta get a brick smashed in their face because they have a different viewpoint.

 

@drachnon gave the perfect answer.

 

@mort gave #2.

 

#3 I don't know if there's been an official FAQ released yet, but that sure would be FUN if you could attach Psycho to a DC footslogging unit, just as Lemartes can be attached to a JP DC.

 

#4 I don't even live on the same continent as you nor would we ever play each other, so my answer would only apply to my local group, if I actually played, so my vote is no, but I can see how there might be room for a friendly unofficial debate.

 

Sang, serriously, I've had your back before on this forum- but if you're only contributions are going to be like this, don't bother.

You're not the only vet on the forums, and you're not the only guy with an opinion and an annoyance.

I only asked because there are several forum members of BnC that are "in the know," and I want to make a Tycho conversion from some of my sanguinary guard and death company bits, and I'd like to see if its worth it yet.

My real confusion comes from the bat rep Morticon wrote of, wherein Tycho is leading a Death Company unit.

[Redo]

Best way to go about it until it gets FAQ (if it does) is to okay it with your group/opponent. If they say no, then it's a no. No point in arguing it with them since you can't prove it clearly states you could otherwise, cherubs.

 

I think you have got it right here. GW in all liklihood has made an error and in the meantime we will have to wait unitl it is cleared up. On a fluff note Captain Tycho was certainly inducted into the Death Company when he finally fell to the black rage. Perhaps Tycho will be an independent Character unlike Lemartes...

 

By the way calling Tycho emo. Not so sure about that. What would he have to say to that?

[Burningblood]

He'd probably cry about his mangled face and then sing "Symphony of the Night" with Sara Brightman.

Then he would fall to the black rage and tear an entire city's population to pieces with his bare hands.

[Morticon]

Sang, serriously, I've had your back before on this forum- but if you're only contributions are going to be like this, don't bother.

 

BB - i think Sang was backing you up and speaking out against "having a brick smashed in your face" for asking a question that is hazey at best. Maybe a bit edgy mate :lol:

[the jeske]

The BRB even says that Wave Serpent's front armor is 2. 2?!

and it doesnt matter because codex > rule book. they could say that marines are all relentless and have FnP in the rule book and you wouldnt get it anyway.

 

I tycho was an actual missprint it would be errated , not FAQed[those are at leat technicly unofficial]. no such thing happened . So he runs alone.

 

 

My real confusion comes from the bat rep Morticon wrote of, wherein Tycho is leading a Death Company unit.

Matt Ward doesnt know his own codex rules and the way they play stuff at the GW HQ [the whole beer and pretzel thing] is a lot different from what normal games are played . Check the last WD and what the main desinger writes about BAs , it is as if he was playing a different codex , in a different setting. :)

[Grey Mage]

The BRB even says that Wave Serpent's front armor is 2. 2?!

and it doesnt matter because codex > rule book. they could say that marines are all relentless and have FnP in the rule book and you wouldnt get it anyway.

 

I tycho was an actual missprint it would be errated , not FAQed[those are at leat technicly unofficial]. no such thing happened . So he runs alone.

Thats not true Jeske- no BA FAQ/Errata has yet been released, so we dont know one way or the other if it will be changed.

[the jeske]

If GW does miss print something they give the errata one or two months after the dex or army book goes legal. Also before that happens there is words about it from GW [mostly the famouse "oh we didnt knew that"] . There is 0 info from GW about tycho errata .

And I doubt no one ever asked members of the DT about it.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Jeske your opinions on Matt Ward are unfounded. The codex is extremely well written.

 

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[Korraz]

The rules? Debatable, if you're okay with the fact, that Jump Packs are obsolete.

The Fluff? Just horrible.

 

Grey Mage, it would be an Errata, not an FAQ, and it hasn't happened yet. Thats the core of hist post

 

 

By the way, what Vindicator thingy? What have they messed up with the Vindy?

[mercury]

Just out of curiosity, to which battle report are you referring to which features Tycho + DC?

[Grey Mage]

The rules? Debatable, if you're okay with the fact, that Jump Packs are obsolete.

The Fluff? Just horrible.

 

Grey Mage, it would be an Errata, not an FAQ, and it hasn't happened yet. Thats the core of hist post

 

 

By the way, what Vindicator thingy? What have they messed up with the Vindy?

No, he told me what he was saying- that if they had to errata something theyd have done it by now. Thats just not the case, GW takes upwards of 3 months to get errata out, and leaves us hanging in the meantime on a regular basis.

 

And as busy as theyve been with 8th ed about to come out it might be early august before we see it, sadly.

 

I must agree, MW=Fluff Fail. Regularly.

 

And as often as I see it, I still can see JPs being obsolete in the hands of a good player. You just cant charge them up the middle unsupported. Of course, you cant do that with a rhino either barring incredible luck.