Timberhawk Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 First off let me say that I haven't really been playing 40k for long. I've been collecting for a long time but only recently played for the first time and saw what the rules were all about. That said, the army I was collecting was Black Templars, because I like the crusader look. Once I got reading more of the fluff and actually played my army and sat and watched other guys play theirs I realized that the Templars don't fit either my preferred play style (too limiting/narrowly focused) or what I like fluff-wise. (I play D&D and my favorite class is paladin, which had a lot to do with my attraction to the Templars and space marines in general.) Anyway, one of my gaming buddies told me he thought that the Wolves would fit me better so I read up on them. He was right. So, here's my dilemma: I have all these Black Templar models with upgrade kits and all that and I'm going to switch to wolves...so what do I do with my Templar models? My options as I see them are to: 1) Pull everybody apart and mod them (not a prospect I'm looking forward to, 2) Make up my own chapter that happens to look a lot like BT and uses SW rules, cheesy, or 3) Sell the BT and buy new stuff. I can't really justify spending the money on another whole army after all I've put into without doing one of these things. I don't know if this seems like a silly question to you guys or not but I'm not an expert on fluff so I've been reading up a lot and much of my internet research has led me to you guys. I guess what I'm asking from you guys is an opinion on option or two as I'm guessing some of you have done one or the other before. I'm really looking forward to playing the SW. In the 40k lverse they seem like the closest thing a good guys, especially in the Imperium, and Thunderwolf Cavalry looks incredibly fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 'Space Wolves do what is the right thing, what is the most heroic thing, not what some ancient thousand year old tome tells them to' - Phil Kelly, 2009. I can't think what is the best to do; I faced the same as you, and ended up ripping a lot of mine apart :? Wasn't fun, was painful. There was a lot of sweat and tears. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2439990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timberhawk Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. A lot of time went into the BT. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2439997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serunox Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Well I had the same problem.I bought the Assualt on Black Reach set which has a very limiting look and build style.all the models are precast with the arms and legs on.So I decided to buy 1 Space Wolves Pack build a squad and use the rest to convert the rest.I cut up some to use their legs and attach other arms etc,at the moment I bought a few assault squads and they give alot of extra chest and back pieces.So in short I bought a few extra packs to add the warrior I didnt have from the Black reach set and then I just cut up models and used the legs etc. So I would say buy one Space Wolves pack and try and convert a few guys with the bits.You get a lot of bits in the box.Paint them all Space wolves grey and attach weapons to your liking and add a few wolf tails or stuff like that.Its painfull to rip a complete model into parts.I know. So good luck and welcome to the Brotherhood and the Fang. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2440010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timberhawk Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 Thanks for your input and the welcome. :D I just have to face the music. lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2440033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Yeah, if you dont have the cash to set out for a new army, and trust me I understand that, then you either need to takem appart or sell them. Ive never been able to sell an army, and Ive bought alot of other peoples at a huge discount, so frankly, Id take them apart. Though it is perhaps not as bad as you think eh? Alot of the stuff can be used as is with the shaving of some maltese crosses and removal of a couple bits here and there and the additions of a couple wolfy bits here and there. The real pain will be painting it all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2440044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Dog Studios Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 I would keep the templars, maybe buy a SW codex, and wait untill you have the cash to start the army. You can "practice" with your BT's using the SW codex, remember, if you rip apart a model and make a mistake, theres no going back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2440138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timberhawk Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 I've got the SW codex. I had planned on using my BT as proxies until I can figure out what I'm doing with them. I've done a fair amount of conversions on my own stuff, for my wife, and for friends so I'm not overly worried about converting them aside from the effort I've already put into them and what I'll have to do to so many models to make a full army conversion. I've got a land speeder typhoon, a land raider crusader, 3 dreadnoughts, the metal Sword Brethren squad, my EC, 3 bikes, and about 3 crusader squads with neophytes, a modified Helbrecht, a chaplain, techmarine with servo arm and one with servo harness, and a marshall.... Like I said, most of them have parts from a BT upgrade kit or they have the metal shoulder pads you could get from GW before the upgrade kits (haven't checked to see if they still sell those since the upgrade kits came out). Don't ask my why I have 3 dreads...I just like the buggers and wanted different looks I guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2440167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse47 Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 A friend started me off with DA, so I sympathize. Just try trading off your special figures, that would be too much trouble to convert. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2440203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serunox Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 Well like Grey mage said, either sell them or convert them. Or if you like to collect, keep the BTs and practice with them like brother champion wulox said, save up money to start your SW army like Im doing as the Black reach dont satisfy my thirst of the sapce wolves close combat fighting.And then put your BTs away in a glas case or something to display them.At the end its your choice.We gave you the pros and cons of both sides. So decide and good luck brother. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2440208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timberhawk Posted June 20, 2010 Author Share Posted June 20, 2010 Thanks guys, I've been thinking about this for awhile now and wanted opinions of other players. I appreciate your input. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2440218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 DO you prefer the look of the SW models or the BT ones. I am not talking rules or fluff here. Just which one you prefer. If you prefer the SW ones then get rid of the BT ones to fund some SW models. If you actually prefer the look of the BT models then keep them as use them as counts as SW. I know alot of people frown on this but Hell its your money and your hobby. Just as long as the models are armed with the apprpriate gear (which BT most probably will be) I dont see it being a problem. If its a problem you will find generally its from anal players and ufortunatly they are part of the hobby. For some its the models, for some its the fluff (me) for some its the games whilst for others its being anal and arguing over every little thing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2440339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 I'm ripping apart some Assault Marines now to use as Wulfen *rips* Sorry Sarge, you'll have to be hitting the enemy with a sword pummel, instead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2440395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 I don't think it's worth it to go through the trouble. I know if it was me I'd always be bothered that they weren't proper Space Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2440399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timberhawk Posted June 20, 2010 Author Share Posted June 20, 2010 I started collecting them because I like their look, the maltese cross and all that. That only got cranked up when they came out with the upgrade kits and the Sword Brethren box set. I like the tabards and all that. When I got more into reading the fluff and actually played I realized they didn't fit my play style regardless of how they look. I'd rather be playing a group who act in a heroic manner and who actually seem to care about the people they're fighting for and to be perfectly honest with what I now know about the Imperium, thumbs their nose at authority! Space Wolves fit that perfectly. Before I got pointed in their direction I was planning on making my own chapter that did pretty much what the Wolves do naturally. Thunderwolf cavalry was just the icing on the cake. Part of why I was looking for input on this is precisely what Beef brought up. I know if I keep my BT with their tabards and crusader helms and everything I like about their look there could be players who give me a problem about not being proper Wolves. I like the look of the Wolves too, with the absence of human skulls all over their stuff (replaced by animal skulls and pelts) and the runes, wolf iconography, and such on them. The skull thing is something I have never understood about Space Marines. If you're trying to intimidate aliens what are you telling them by wearing human skeletons on your armor? We're so crazy we kill each other and wear our brother's skull on our helmet? I'd think if you wanted to intimidate a Tau you'd want a Tau skull on your armor. The Wolves, at least, are displaying their hunting prowess against deadly critters! "I killed this blackmane with my bare hands! How do you think you'll fare ye pansie?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2440632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewolfmxc Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Sell and buy new ones lol shouldnt be too hard Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2441023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Devil Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Black Templars models + Heroic warrior ideal = Knights of the Round Table. Paint over the black armor with chain mail and personal the characters tabards and you're good to go. Heroic marines doing the right thing, despite the cost to them. If you put time and effort into your conversions, most won't have a problem with it. Anyone that does gives you grief about it is not worth playing anyway. Some Ideas: Thunderwolves = Horses, wingless dragons, etc Swiftclaws = Errants on Pegasi Frost Blades = Lances Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2441195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Why not play with your army as SW for a while before devoting your self, if you do like wolves than you can sell or convert. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2441215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 If you prefer Wolf fluff, I think you will enjoy Wolf models, tbh. I have never sold things on eBay but this is what I would try to do; tally what the army cost you. Deduct, say, 10% even if you have painted them. Try to sell them as "buy it now" and not "auction". Keep waiting until someone buys them, even if it takes months. Some guys don't like painting and will go for it. You just need to be patient and keep your hook in the water. Then you can get flash new Wolf stuff, avoid the tedious explanations and have your preferred army in the flesh and in the fluff. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2441247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cstriker01 Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 I am in the same boat too. Have a huge templar force and I love them so much. However I am digging the new BA and SW codices and I am torn between going on to something new. I am still praying and holding out that they will release a new BT codex sometime soon...it's high hopes I know. Cest La Vie. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2441519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saphius Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 If you like the crusader look there is nothing wrong with continuing the look you like while using the SW codex. Keep getting BT stuff and just run them as SW's. You get the best of both worlds at that point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2441601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaleOpener Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Space wolves are space marines too, so a good number of my models have odds-and-ends from other box sets. Medals and other trinkets awarded to them for their service by planetary governors, high ranking officers in the IG, and such. You can really abuse the hell out of the fluff in 40k, so long as your force looks strongly "wolfie". Just my opinion <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2441754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Son of Russ Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 'Space Wolves do what is the right thing, what is the most heroic thing, not what some ancient thousand year old tome tells them to' - Phil Kelly, 2009. I can't think what is the best to do; I faced the same as you, and ended up ripping a lot of mine apart :? Wasn't fun, was painful. There was a lot of sweat and tears. lol thats funny. In all fairness spend more time studying both armies, my friend at school won't stop telling me how the black templars are the best, and you know, he is right. Fluff wise and Game wise. Fluffwise they are 8000 strong, when all other space marine chapters are 1000 strong, and are not split up into different companies, which means they are all first company, which also means they are extremely well trained and the greatest, as the first companies of any chapter of space marines are usually terminators. In game wise they can gain alot of benefits constantly through the game, such as permanent preferred enemy. Don't give up on your templars yet, they are beast. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2441811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timberhawk Posted June 21, 2010 Author Share Posted June 21, 2010 I've thought a lot about using the SW codes with my Templars and coming up with my own group. Like I said, it's the fluff and the limitations of the BT that turned me off. I like having more versatility with my choices than what the BT allow. They're CC beasts and I did ok with them but I want the option to use psykers, scouts, devastator/long fangs, etc. I like having strong CC but I don't want that to be all I do. Fluff-wise, I just don't like hate being the main reason to fight. I've never read one of their novels, just their codex and such. The Knights of the Round Table is a cool idea. I like a lot of the wolf models. I think I'm going to incorporate my figures with the SW stuff I get, I'll just have a very unique looking force. I'm really looking forward to trying TWC. I saw the Canis model and knew I had to get some of those guys! Thanks for all the input! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2441900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 u could just have knightly looking wolves, paint em like wolves and shave off some of the crosses and add some wolfie bits..... i plan on using 20 of the BT mark IV chest plates in my wolf army, and i think it would look cool. You could just say your wolf lord is a little more "civilized" than the rest =) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204611-to-convert-or-not-to-convert/#findComment-2442565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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