Jarl Bloodwolf Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 I know there is a post already concerning which historical figures the primarchs are based off of but I can't find it. Anyway I was doing some research on great generals throughout history as I'm looking for inspiration on one of the lost primarchs and his legion (just for fun) when I had a realization. I think that Night Haunter could have partially been based off of Vlad The Impaler. My reasoning behind this is the fear factor, Night Haunter was the best at getting his enemies to :lol:: in their pants. In his fluff he ruled his homeworld through fear alone but he was also a fair ruler that brought his homeworld into a time of peace. Vlad also ruled through fear and is generally seen as a hero by his country. He may have been completly off his rocker but he also fought off multiple invasions and also lead his country into a period of peace. Also Bram Stroker used Vlad as his template when he created Dracula. If you ask me the bat wing iconography of the Night Lords goes pretty well with the whole vampire thing. Also Night Lords goes with one of Draculas nicknames as the Lord of The Night (though I think this one is kind of a stretch) and even his name, Konrad Curze sounds eastern european (I know its a combination of the author of The Heart of Darkness and a character from the same book) Well? What do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204648-night-haunter/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Rex Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 GW put some Apocalypse Now influences into the IA too, but then that movie was heavily based upon the Heart of Darkness book. For example, M'Shen, the assassin, was a nod to Martin Sheen, the actor who played the character sent to stop Kurtz in the movie. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204648-night-haunter/#findComment-2440443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 Yeah, it's definitely Apocolypse Now. Curze used fear and cold blooded treatment to fight his war. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204648-night-haunter/#findComment-2440446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
increaso Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 Batman :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204648-night-haunter/#findComment-2440449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Bloodwolf Posted June 20, 2010 Author Share Posted June 20, 2010 I know the whole Heart of Darkness thing (I mentioned it above) but it isn't impossible that they based him off more than just that book right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204648-night-haunter/#findComment-2440768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 It's possible but any similarities are tenuous. Vlad the Impaler was a power hungry and ambitious individual, whilst Curze was a psycotic, paranoind and self destructive individual who chose to be a martyr over when presented with a choice. Vlad descended from aristocracy (a similarity) and a member of a holy order (Order of the Dragon, or Dracul) - another similarity I suppose. However, iconography is so far gone I can't really identify the link. If we take Bram Stoker's Dracula as inspiration, he has ittle to do with Vlad but a similarity to the iconography (well a vampire theme at least). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204648-night-haunter/#findComment-2440819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 Actually it was Vlad the Impaler's father, Vlad II Dracul that was a member of the Order of the Dragon, and he was called Draco (Dragon), which was later transformed into Dracul (Devil). His son, Vlad III Ţepeş (the Impaler) had also a title Drăculea (Dracula), which means a son of a Dragon/Devil. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204648-night-haunter/#findComment-2440826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
increaso Posted June 20, 2010 Share Posted June 20, 2010 I imagine GW started off with a few ideas like space romans, space vikings, space knights, space spartacus and space mongols, but unfortunately you can only take that concept so far and the gaps are filled with space vampires and other non-historical stuff. In other words, i don't think that the Night Lords or Kurze are not based on a single (if any) historical figure/army/people. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204648-night-haunter/#findComment-2440844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibanknight Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Well Kurze didn't go around impaling people with sharp pointy objects until he joined the crusade and after his legion became a bunch of nut jobs(with said pointy sticks). So all in all I'd have to say Ole' Vlad and Kurze only share the madness and the bad reputations. Vlad became a hero and Kurze became a figure of terror and a self induced martyr. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204648-night-haunter/#findComment-2441146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odsox Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 He's Batman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204648-night-haunter/#findComment-2444374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayuzaki Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Actually it was Vlad the Impaler's father, Vlad II Dracul that was a member of the Order of the Dragon, and he was called Draco (Dragon), which was later transformed into Dracul (Devil). His son, Vlad III Ţepeş (the Impaler) had also a title Drăculea (Dracula), which means a son of a Dragon/Devil. Someone else who read Vlad by C.C.Humphreys? If not I'd reccomend that book, it's an excellent insight into the life of Vlad the Impaler (as he was later known), I can understand where the links can be made the two characters but I'd say the Apocalypse Now references is more likely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204648-night-haunter/#findComment-2454282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Actually it was Vlad the Impaler's father, Vlad II Dracul that was a member of the Order of the Dragon, and he was called Draco (Dragon), which was later transformed into Dracul (Devil). His son, Vlad III Ţepeş (the Impaler) had also a title Drăculea (Dracula), which means a son of a Dragon/Devil. Someone else who read Vlad by C.C.Humphreys? Nope, just wikipedia Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204648-night-haunter/#findComment-2454508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Well Kurze didn't go around impaling people with sharp pointy objects until he joined the crusade and after his legion became a bunch of nut jobs(with said pointy sticks). Sorry what? Are you talking about the same Night Lords Primarch who mutilated bodies every evening for almost all of his formative years? I stronly suspect he was implaing people, or bits of people, with far more inventive things than mere pointy objects before he was more than 4 or 5 years old. Probably impaled a few of them on other people, for a start... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204648-night-haunter/#findComment-2454528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnil Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 May I point out that "The Lord of the Night" is a rather enjoyable night lords novel I have read and recommend! Also a common phrase in night lords novels is Ave Dominus Nox or literally hail to the lord of the night! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204648-night-haunter/#findComment-2454738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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