I think I want a Space Wolves army!

[packwulf]

Hello Space Wolves commanders!

I hope you can put down the ale for a second (or at least type with one hand), and help me with a few questions.

 

I've recently become very interested in Warhammer 40K, particularly the Space Wolves which to me have exciting fluff, gorgeous models, and what looks like a fun combat style.

 

I've done lots of reading on the Space Wolves on this and other forums, and if there's one impression I get from building Space Wolves armies, it's that they have an incredible number of choices. That's a big draw for me, yet it's also a bit overwhelming and leaves me with some hesitation before jumping into this.

 

It seems a 500 point army will need to carry different optional weapons like flamers or meltaguns than a 1500 point army due to the increased amount of armor that's likely to be found on the table. So if I build my initial army of say 750 points, does growing it to 1500 points mean just adding in more squads, or does it require a whole re-balancing of options, wargear, HQ units etc? Then for WYSIWYG purposes, does that mean I'll have models sitting unused because now they're carrying the wrong gear? Is it possible to do some magnetizing on my units (like Grey Hunters and Blood Claws) to change their gear as the points require? Do jump packs have to be permanently glued or can they be magnetic as well? What about for larger things like Dreadnoughts? I'd hate to have to own two just so I can choose to be more shooty/assaulty as needed.

 

How am I supposed to show a bolter, bolt pistol, and close combat weapon on a single Grey Hunter, never mind the grenades!

 

Does going with Space Wolves mean I'll have to acquire lots of bits off of Ebay, or is there enough to be found on the sprues that come with any boxes purchased that I should be okay?

 

I guess my main concerns are that if I buy it, I want to use it, and also that I don't want to be waiting around with unfinished models for weeks while bits make their way through the post office.

 

Also, what is the cheapest place to buy in Ontario, Canada? All I can find is 20% off, with 30% off being offered some places in BC, but then shipping becomes a factor.

 

I guess I'd like some assurance that I can do this and that it won't completely empty my wallet! Thanks guys!

[phoenix1787]

heya and welcome to the sw i will have to admit some of the parts are expensive but you do get alot for your money when you do buy,

 

regarding the whole will you have to remap your entire amry i shouldn't think so, well i have never had to do it any way i dont know about the wolves on here, ok admittingly i do have an army of 11000 point so i have plenty of choice :devil:

 

and bolter bolt pistol and close combat i would just give the grey hunters bolters and chhainswords as you are able to with the arm positions on the spur

 

and also i doubt you will have unfinished guys from the spurs cause there is so many things you can do with it if anything you will want more bodies and legs before you run out of arms and heads

 

and i dont know about any deals in america cause im from the uk, ebay is a good place to look as you can find so much for cheap on there eg small armies i have found before now which could help you start out of bulk your army up

[Requiem of the Wolf]

First and foremost,Welcome to the Fang pup. *passes the newcomer an Ale horn*

 

Now...as for your question. It isn't any harder to build up a new Space Wolf Army then it is any other codex really. To be able to present a challenge for any opponent you would need to have a bit of variety as far as your army goes. However...That being said...It is not hard to build a basis for your troops,and then build from there.

 

To start...you will want to get two full 10 man squads of Greyhunters and put them in Rhinos. As for how to represent the different weapons,generally you only need to represent any upgrades. In this case,what I would recommend is Two with Plasma Guns and Two with melta guns.

Then a squad of Long fangs. Generally as a basis,I would recommend 3 Missile launchers,and then either 2 lascannons or 2 Heavy Bolters...Depending on if you think you will face more mech then horde.

Finally you would want to get a HQ...At low point values,either a Rune Priest or a Wolf Priest are the best options,as both of those come out of the box stock and able to do well.

 

you can make a very very effective 750 point list with those components.

 

As for magnetizing your troops....do as much of it as you want. You could magnetize every non bolter armed trooper you had if you wanted to. It is encouraged to Magnetize Dreads and Vehicles so that you can switch their equipment based on need.

 

As far as needing bits,really there is only two things you will have to get from some source. One is Melta guns...We don't get them in our standard troop set ups. The other will often be specific heavy weapons...From what I have found,using Missile launchers,Heavy Bolters and Lascannons give the best return for the price.

[phoenix1787]

this is my 2k army list hope this helps

 

HQ

bjorn

wolf lord; ra pp fen wolves x2 wtn bear

wolf priest;sb wtn wtt

 

elites

dread; las

wulfen pack x8

 

troops

 

grey hunters; x10 pp pw drop pod i have 2 squads like this

blood claws; x15 pf pp

 

fast attack

land speeder with typhoon missile and multimelta

 

heavy support

vindicator

predator

 

hope this helps

 

ps ra = runic armour pp=plasma pistol pw=power weapon pf=powerfist wtn=wolf tooth necklace wtt=wolf tail talisman sb=stormbolter

[MaleOpener]

Hello Space Wolves commanders!

I hope you can put down the ale for a second (or at least type with one hand), and help me with a few questions.

 

I've recently become very interested in Warhammer 40K, particularly the Space Wolves which to me have exciting fluff, gorgeous models, and what looks like a fun combat style.

 

I've done lots of reading on the Space Wolves on this and other forums, and if there's one impression I get from building Space Wolves armies, it's that they have an incredible number of choices. That's a big draw for me, yet it's also a bit overwhelming and leaves me with some hesitation before jumping into this.

 

It seems a 500 point army will need to carry different optional weapons like flamers or meltaguns than a 1500 point army due to the increased amount of armor that's likely to be found on the table. So if I build my initial army of say 750 points, does growing it to 1500 points mean just adding in more squads, or does it require a whole re-balancing of options, wargear, HQ units etc? Then for WYSIWYG purposes, does that mean I'll have models sitting unused because now they're carrying the wrong gear? Is it possible to do some magnetizing on my units (like Grey Hunters and Blood Claws) to change their gear as the points require? Do jump packs have to be permanently glued or can they be magnetic as well? What about for larger things like Dreadnoughts? I'd hate to have to own two just so I can choose to be more shooty/assaulty as needed.

 

How am I supposed to show a bolter, bolt pistol, and close combat weapon on a single Grey Hunter, never mind the grenades!

 

Does going with Space Wolves mean I'll have to acquire lots of bits off of Ebay, or is there enough to be found on the sprues that come with any boxes purchased that I should be okay?

 

I guess my main concerns are that if I buy it, I want to use it, and also that I don't want to be waiting around with unfinished models for weeks while bits make their way through the post office.

 

Also, what is the cheapest place to buy in Ontario, Canada? All I can find is 20% off, with 30% off being offered some places in BC, but then shipping becomes a factor.

 

I guess I'd like some assurance that I can do this and that it won't completely empty my wallet! Thanks guys!

 

 

1. At 2000pts, I have 71 models (atm). I can easily build lower point lists with the models I have. It just requires a tiny bit of planning ahead. Start, say, at 500pts. Write it down on a piece of paper and move on to 750 ... and so on ...

 

It will also depend on what your style of play is. You're not going to add rhinos if you wanted a slogging force and via versa.

 

2. Standard equipment for a model doesn't need to be all seen. Its standard, so its already believed for the model to have it. Now, if you go and give that model a plasma gun, surely you must show that on the model.

 

3. You can find everything through the GW website or one of there stores. However, besides Canis on his thunderwolf, there are no thunderwolf models. It takes a little work to convert some, or you can use models from elsewhere. If you choose the second option ( models from elsewhere ), just remember official touries ban the usage of such models.

 

4. Can't help you with Canadian prices :}

 

Its rather easy to manage yourself in building an army. I buy a box or two a month, depending on what I'm working on. Of course, you need to figure in when to buy glues/paints/tools and the like.

[Wolf Lord Karulfr]

The one thing you will likely need to pick up from e-bay or a bit seller is special weapons. The Space Wolf box only comes with plasma guns but flamers and/or meltas are far superior.

[Hfran Morkai]

I heartily suggest if you're building a SW army from scratch that you buy a Tactical Squad for each Space Wolf Pack you buy, giving you access to some Special Weapons, Missile Launchers for Long Fangs and lots of Bolters (With triggers! The SW pack doesn't have the triggers...)

That way none of your models have to look "too" Wolfy, I personally use Wolf parts sparingly on my models, then again they are Heresy era so getting the armour right is the challenge.

So long as your packs of Grey Hunters are identifiable as such (so bolters and perhaps pack colours) you should be fine with representing it.

I represent all three weapons on my Hunters, just personal preference. I do this by rationalizing that the armour has some sort of magnetic clamp and the Grey Hunter just slaps his bolter against his thigh.

Welcome to the Fang and the sixth Legion!

[Matt D]

1) Hello Space Wolves commanders!

2) I hope you can put down the ale for a second (or at least type with one hand), and help me with a few questions.

 

I've recently become very interested in Warhammer 40K, particularly the Space Wolves which to me have exciting fluff, gorgeous models, and what looks like a fun combat style.

 

I've done lots of reading on the Space Wolves on this and other forums, and if there's one impression I get from building Space Wolves armies, it's that they have an incredible number of choices. That's a big draw for me, yet it's also a bit overwhelming and leaves me with some hesitation before jumping into this.

 

3) It seems a 500 point army will need to carry different optional weapons like flamers or meltaguns than a 1500 point army due to the increased amount of armor that's likely to be found on the table. So if I build my initial army of say 750 points, does growing it to 1500 points mean just adding in more squads, or does it require a whole re-balancing of options, wargear, HQ units etc? Then for WYSIWYG purposes, does that mean I'll have models sitting unused because now they're carrying the wrong gear? Is it possible to do some magnetizing on my units (like Grey Hunters and Blood Claws) to change their gear as the points require? Do jump packs have to be permanently glued or can they be magnetic as well? What about for larger things like Dreadnoughts? I'd hate to have to own two just so I can choose to be more shooty/assaulty as needed.

 

4) How am I supposed to show a bolter, bolt pistol, and close combat weapon on a single Grey Hunter, never mind the grenades!

 

5) Does going with Space Wolves mean I'll have to acquire lots of bits off of Ebay, or is there enough to be found on the sprues that come with any boxes purchased that I should be okay?

 

I guess my main concerns are that if I buy it, I want to use it, and also that I don't want to be waiting around with unfinished models for weeks while bits make their way through the post office.

 

Also, what is the cheapest place to buy in Ontario, Canada? All I can find is 20% off, with 30% off being offered some places in BC, but then shipping becomes a factor.

 

6) I guess I'd like some assurance that I can do this and that it won't completely empty my wallet! Thanks guys!

 

1) whats a commander? just us wolf lords here :woot:

2) you don't drink with two ales? got to have a backup for when one goe dry. but i can sit down one at least.

3) as to your question. the wolves i find to be easy to up there points because the core that you will be working with stays the same through the points increase. mainly 1-grey hunters/rhino...check 2-grey hunters/rhino...check 3-longfangs with missle launchers/rhino check (for me personally anyway). with this as a base you can have a very formidable army. as far as HQ's go with our awsome box you can make about whatever you want. as has been stated its a good idea to get a tactical box as well for the special weapons or you can get them on bits sites.

4) you dont have to model all of it on. you can if you want but most people just distinguish the special models like meltas, power fists, mark of the wolfen, or wolf standards to name a few.

5) you will be in fine shape using the boxes. you don't HAVE to bits hunt...but you will like the rest of us eventually. :D

6) pfft hahaha! this is the wrong hobbie if you don't expect to see an empty wallet at the end of the week! :P

[MaleOpener]

The one thing you will likely need to pick up from e-bay or a bit seller is special weapons. The Space Wolf box only comes with plasma guns but flamers and/or meltas are far superior.

 

Meltaguns can be found as "bitz" on the GW website. Either as a metal pack or one per an old space wolf sprue.

 

5 metal meltaguns a pack

 

SW acces sprue

 

*Scroll down the page.*

 

You can also both the meltagun and flamer in the tactical box.

 

space marine tactical box

[packwulf]

Thanks for all the replies!

 

Another question. What's with all the shoulder pads for sale on the GW site? Is that for people who went with vanilla space marines and later decided they'd like to make them more wolfish?

 

Also... I have the opportunity to make a big purchase of Space Wolves stuff from someone leaving the hobby. It would include the following:

 

2 x 10 Grey Hunters

2 x 10 Blood Claws

5 Scouts

5 Longfangs (they may be Devastators with SW parts)

2 Terminators

1 Dreadnought

1 Leman Russ Tank (Exterminator)

1 Iron Priest

1 Logan Grimnar

1 Ragnar Blackmane

1 Rune Priest

1 Ulrik the Slayer

Codex, dice, rulers, etc.

 

All this for 250 CAD (240 US, 160 GBP)

 

I'd be repainting all of it because the paint job looks quite crude. Is this worth going for? Doesn't look like there are any rhinos or pods, so I'd be far from done I think. My worry again is that I'd lose out on customization options and most of that stuff would go unfielded. The tank?

[molsonbeagle]

I would totally snatch up that deal if you're willing to part with that much money right off the bat. Unfortunately in the new codex us wolves aren't able to to use our primarch's name-sake. Very annoying, but no Leman Russ tanks for us anymore. The rest of it you'll find to be a very good base for an army. The scouts can be indespensible when you are playing against an opponent who has a heavy weapons squad that likes to slink in the back of their deployment. The long fangs are most likely devastators as thats the easiest way to make a LF squad, but thats not only acceptible but common. You will probably want to look into a rhino or a drop pod or 5, they're very nice, but it isn't uncommon for us wolves to run the slogging lists. Hope the deal works out for ya bud, its a good one.

[hmk17]

Because decals can get messed up and some people can't free hand. They are for ease of use. Also, the previous Space Wolves troops boxes were pretty much tactical boxes with 5 bare heads, 5 chest plates, and some power weapons. Any fancying up was GS or bits packs like the shoulders.

 

I'd not take the deal based off that price. He obviously played long before 5th ed. We used to be able to field Leman Russ tanks, them being named after our Primarch and all. I'm kinda suspect that the codex is the not 5th ed.

 

If he knocked it down to 150 it would be a good deal. If you want complete customization, then start from scratch. It will run you more, but you pay for what you want.

 

As to your initial post...

 

 

WYSIWYG - Don't worry about rank and file guys that are "stock". If they have an upgrade, then use the appropriate weapon or item. (Somethings will need to be converted like combi-weapons. Otherwise you will bankrupt yourself buying the bits.)

 

Bits - If you buy the new boxes, you'll be fine.

 

Cost - EVERYTHING in 40k costs money. Build up slowly if you need to, but it will cost you over time.

[Matt D]

my question to the guy selling would be if that included the bits. it is overpriced in my opinion though.

[Thunderhawk3015]

Grab that deal. You can't use the Exterminator anymore(unless you can get it in there using spearhead). But everything else in there is still viable.

 

And for the person saying that is overpriced, its 149 USD just to get the 4 squads of Grey Hunters/Blood Claws. Add in everything else and that is a pretty good deal especially if they are decently painted and you are getting dice etc.

 

If he is including his case(s) as well that is one dang fine deal for starting out in the hobby.

[Vorion]

magnatizing everything is going to be loads of work, I've played a couple armies and you dont need to start from scratch when building a 1k army vs a 750 army. You can just add another unit to fill out your abilty to handle hords/tanks. Your dreadnaughts can swap out all the weapons that come with it. I personaly converted my black reach dread so it has to have a melta/storm bolter but my vanilla marines dread came with twin lass cannons and missle launcher to replace the fist. This means I can vary it with every battle no hassles. You dont have to show the bolt pistol or chainsword on grey hunters if you dont want. Good luck with your army brother

[Grey Mage]

My 500pt army-

 

Rune Priest- 100pts.

10 GHs- 2x PG, Powerfist, Rhino- 220pts.

5 GHs- Meltagun, Powerfist, Las/Plas Razorback- 180pts.

 

And I use all of those minis in my normal 1k, 1.k and 2k. Lists.

 

Only thing youd need to get "out of sprue" 1 Meltagun. I gaurantee you could trade just about any codex player for the bit for something off one of the other sprues.

 

Thanks for all the replies!

 

Another question. What's with all the shoulder pads for sale on the GW site? Is that for people who went with vanilla space marines and later decided they'd like to make them more wolfish?

 

Also... I have the opportunity to make a big purchase of Space Wolves stuff from someone leaving the hobby. It would include the following:

 

2 x 10 Grey Hunters

2 x 10 Blood Claws

5 Scouts

5 Longfangs (they may be Devastators with SW parts)

2 Terminators

1 Dreadnought

1 Leman Russ Tank (Exterminator)

1 Iron Priest

1 Logan Grimnar

1 Ragnar Blackmane

1 Rune Priest

1 Ulrik the Slayer

Codex, dice, rulers, etc.

 

All this for 250 CAD (240 US, 160 GBP)

 

I'd be repainting all of it because the paint job looks quite crude. Is this worth going for? Doesn't look like there are any rhinos or pods, so I'd be far from done I think. My worry again is that I'd lose out on customization options and most of that stuff would go unfielded. The tank?

Id go for it in a heartbeat. Youll not get a deal like that often- ask if he has any sprues left around that go with these units hed be willing to throw in.

 

Then, since your repainting them anyways, feel free to rip them apart and rebuild them in your own mental images. Have some fun with it. You wont lose out on any customization, youll just have a little more work in exchange for ALOT less money.

 

If you should choose not to take him up on it though, let me know- Id be more than happy to pay international shipping for a deal like that, and Ive already got a large force.

[Matt D]

And for the person saying that is overpriced, its 149 USD just to get the 4 squads of Grey Hunters/Blood Claws. Add in everything else and that is a pretty good deal especially if they are decently painted and you are getting dice etc.

 

If he is including his case(s) as well that is one dang fine deal for starting out in the hobby.

my bad i though it was $240...i would take it in a heartbeat at $150 though.

[hmk17]

That's also 149 USD for NEW unassembled product.

 

This is used product... a bad paint job + wear and tear do not make minis worth more. 25 - 30% previous retail would be satisfactory. I just want give the pup an understanding that just because someone is getting out does not make the lot an auto-deal.

 

If EVERYTHING was new, that would be a crazy deal at 240. However, this looks to be a lot of very old stuff (the Russ really dates it, and no you can't use it in spearhead), so he's looking at probably 15-19 metal models. With the only plastics being the Grey hunters and Blood claws from the old separate boxes. Odds on bet is the codex is not 5th ed either.

 

Haggle with him if the dreadnought is the metal "space wolves dreadnought", which is the old Bjorn model and a rare find at a decent price. $200 USD would be acceptable then. If he's not willing to deal, he's looking to pawn off stuff on a new player.

[Hotspur]

Everything that GW puts out on the shelves is an expensive headache.

 

I do think that we as wolves have a very high bang-for-the-buck value, though, b/c our units, especially the Grey Hunters, are totally awesome.

 

There are some good places on eBay to get bitz when you get the itch to customize; my favorite is Blackdagger Games. Lucky for you, there's another based out of Canada. Unlucky for you that I can't remember the name! Maybe someone else on here does.

 

Welcome to the Fang, pup! Now sit down and have some ale!

[Logan230]

It seems a 500 point army will need to carry different optional weapons like flamers or meltaguns than a 1500 point army due to the increased amount of armor that's likely to be found on the table. So if I build my initial army of say 750 points, does growing it to 1500 points mean just adding in more squads, or does it require a whole re-balancing of options, wargear, HQ units etc? Then for WYSIWYG purposes, does that mean I'll have models sitting unused because now they're carrying the wrong gear? Is it possible to do some magnetizing on my units (like Grey Hunters and Blood Claws) to change their gear as the points require? Do jump packs have to be permanently glued or can they be magnetic as well? What about for larger things like Dreadnoughts? I'd hate to have to own two just so I can choose to be more shooty/assaulty as needed.

 

How am I supposed to show a bolter, bolt pistol, and close combat weapon on a single Grey Hunter, never mind the grenades!

 

Does going with Space Wolves mean I'll have to acquire lots of bits off of Ebay, or is there enough to be found on the sprues that come with any boxes purchased that I should be okay?

 

I guess my main concerns are that if I buy it, I want to use it, and also that I don't want to be waiting around with unfinished models for weeks while bits make their way through the post office.

 

Also, what is the cheapest place to buy in Ontario, Canada? All I can find is 20% off, with 30% off being offered some places in BC, but then shipping becomes a factor.

 

I guess I'd like some assurance that I can do this and that it won't completely empty my wallet! Thanks guys!

 

I find that my 500, 1k, and 2k lists are just extensions of each other. but that is how I have grown to like my army.

 

I wont comment on the deal cause everybody else is.

 

My personal recomendation for starting an army and getting an EXCELLENT core force is to buy the SW Battleforce. 20 GH, 5 CC scouts, DP is win! the 5 Jumpers that come with it are meh IMO and i traded mine for other stuff. after that, its vehicles for flavor. I personally have 2 Predators, 3 dreads, 2 Land Speeder Typhoons and a Long Fang squad around 2 GH squads in Rhino and 1 in DP. one of the 3 dreads is Bjorn, the other 2 MM DP dreads. My 1k and 500s are just reduced versions of my 2k. I have found that the SW codex is quite modular.

 

For not emptying your wallet, playtest and proxy armies. for me, I proxied Vindis and found i didnt like them, thus i never bought them. Army builder is your friend.

[MaleOpener]

Thanks for all the replies!

 

Another question. What's with all the shoulder pads for sale on the GW site? Is that for people who went with vanilla space marines and later decided they'd like to make them more wolfish?

 

Also... I have the opportunity to make a big purchase of Space Wolves stuff from someone leaving the hobby. It would include the following:

 

2 x 10 Grey Hunters

2 x 10 Blood Claws

5 Scouts

5 Longfangs (they may be Devastators with SW parts)

2 Terminators

1 Dreadnought

1 Leman Russ Tank (Exterminator)

1 Iron Priest

1 Logan Grimnar

1 Ragnar Blackmane

1 Rune Priest

1 Ulrik the Slayer

Codex, dice, rulers, etc.

 

All this for 250 CAD (240 US, 160 GBP)

 

I'd be repainting all of it because the paint job looks quite crude. Is this worth going for? Doesn't look like there are any rhinos or pods, so I'd be far from done I think. My worry again is that I'd lose out on customization options and most of that stuff would go unfielded. The tank?

 

 

The metal shoulder pads are there to help out players who can't free-hand, and/or can be a nice addition to a HQ model :)

 

I'm still on the fence on this "deal". The 'tank' leads me to believe the models are from last edition, and so may the codex be from 3rd. If the models have a "crappy" paint job, just painting over them isn't going to help. You'll need to strip those models, and that will not be fun ( you can't strip plastic models as they tend to melt ).

 

Just my advice, but if you want to go for it I'd suggest to pick it apart. If the codex isn't recent ... I'd pass. If the models look like they need a lot of work ... I'd pass. Though if the deal includes some of the older SW models, it MAY be worth your time/money.