Sanguinius, Most Popular?

[Gold Raven]

I've read a couple of the HH books and looked at a number of who-was-friend-with-who topics in the HH forum, and I do seem to see one very common thread when it comes to Primarch brotherly love:

 

Everyone really seems to like Sanguinius.

 

So is this guy pretty much the Primarch center? Horus liked him, Fulgrim liked him, Magnus seemed to like him, and many posters feel that he was well-liked by other Primarchs as well. Did his death represent the point of no return for the traitor legions? Horus goes and kills the guy everyone likes, and its splits-ville for the last great super-band of the 30th millenium?

[Legatus]

Yeah, everyone liked the Angel, but I am pretty sure the traitors weren't able to turn back before Horus killed Sanguinius. :lol: They had already destroyed three loyalist Legions (possibly killed two Primarchs) and cut a bloody swath through the Imperium.

[increaso]

Prior to the heresy i would have thought Horus would have been a contender for most liked.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

As Legatus said, they'd already embraced evil. Killing the fellow Marines of your own Legion is sick.

You had fought alongside them. Got shot at, rescued, got rescued by, ate with, slept with, trained with these guys. Maybe even your blood flows in their veins to save their life from bleeding out.

 

The to-be Traitors realise that Bob loves the Emperor more than Horus. That means Bob is gonna have to go. You are going to have to kill him. Something in you dies. Then you orchestrate the opportunity. The moment comes and you gun him down. You harden inside as the last remnant of an engineered killer's humanity gets choked to death.

 

You were always a killer. But it was for a cause, a reason, for Mankind's destiny. You gave them a chance and inspite of Horus showing the separated human enclaves his martial might, in an attempt to avoid needless slaughter, they defied the Emperor's decree and chose to become an enemy of The Emperor's Humanity.

 

But this is different. Your fellow Astartes are as close as brothers. You are all post-human. That gives you a bond that is unique to the Universe. Yet you gunned down Bob, just as Bob had realised that you were about to end him, to betray him, and sunder any credibility your word had. Who can trust you now, murderer, lier, betrayer?

 

Sang was just a crowning jewel in the Madness of Horus. An all too flesh & blood illustration to the Emperor that his most cherished son held nothing sacred anymore.

[Captain Idaho]

As Legatus said, they'd already embraced evil. Killing the fellow Marines of your own Legion is sick.

You had fought alongside them. Got shot at, rescued, got rescued by, ate with, slept with, trained with these guys. Maybe even your blood flows in their veins to save their life from bleeding out.

 

The to-be Traitors realise that Bob loves the Emperor more than Horus. That means Bob is gonna have to go. You are going to have to kill him. Something in you dies. Then you orchestrate the opportunity. The moment comes and you gun him down. You harden inside as the last remnant of an engineered killer's humanity gets choked to death.

 

You were always a killer. But it was for a cause, a reason, for Mankind's destiny. You gave them a chance and inspite of Horus showing the separated human enclaves his martial might, in an attempt to avoid needless slaughter, they defied the Emperor's decree and chose to become an enemy of The Emperor's Humanity.

 

But this is different. Your fellow Astartes are as close as brothers. You are all post-human. That gives you a bond that is unique to the Universe. Yet you gunned down Bob, just as Bob had realised that you were about to end him, to betray him, and sunder any credibility your word had. Who can trust you now, murderer, lier, betrayer?

 

Sang was just a crowning jewel in the Madness of Horus. An all too flesh & blood illustration to the Emperor that his most cherished son held nothing sacred anymore.

 

This is quite possibly the best explanation of why the traitors actions were so terrible! I liked it very much.

 

As for Sanguinius, he was undoubtably popular but Mortarion and Night Haunter had relationships with eachother and Horus only, save for Kurze having a residual trust in Fulgrim. Angron was a bitter man who would take the rivalaries between the Worldeaters and Blood Angels personally (most likely) so I doubt he really liked Sanguinius. Alpharius was close to Horus apparently, though we do not know what his relationship was with most of the other Primarchs.

 

The only Primarch who was quoted as disliking Horus (note this doesn't include any jealousy at his appointment as a Warmaster) was Corax. That is 1 out of 20.

 

I always said though, after Horus, only the Angel could have been Warmaster. He was loved by the people more so than any other and had the support of the only other Primarch to command the respect of the rest of the Primarchs.

[Artein]

The only Primarch who was quoted as disliking Horus (note this doesn't include any jealousy at his appointment as a Warmaster) was Corax. That is 1 out of 20.

1 out of !9, we don't count Horus.... or even out of 17 since we don't know nothing about Missing Primarchs.

[calgar101]

Does it say why Corax doesn't like him?

[Captain Idaho]

The only Primarch who was quoted as disliking Horus (note this doesn't include any jealousy at his appointment as a Warmaster) was Corax. That is 1 out of 20.

1 out of !9, we don't count Horus.... or even out of 17 since we don't know nothing about Missing Primarchs.

 

Alpharius and Omegon make it 20 not including Horus. We count the missing Primarchs simply because all official Imperial accounts mention them as a collective 20.

 

Does it say why Corax doesn't like him?

 

Corax found Horus to be overly Boastful and arrogant, finding it distasteful how Horus took credit for the victories the other Legions worked hard for. Apparently.

[calgar101]

Oh i knew that, i thought he'd said Corax didnt like Sanguinius! Silly me, i should pay more attention when reading.

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

Sanguinius seems to have been the poster boy for the crusade, i.e the normal humans seem to have loved him, it's a running joke he had problems with hordes of fangirls, and seems to have been populer with all the Primarchs apart from those who were not quite right in the head.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

You were always a killer. But it was for a cause, a reason, for Mankind's destiny. You gave them a chance and inspite of Horus showing the separated human enclaves his martial might, in an attempt to avoid needless slaughter, they defied the Emperor's decree and chose to become an enemy of The Emperor's Humanity.

 

But this is different. Your fellow Astartes are as close as brothers. You are all post-human. That gives you a bond that is unique to the Universe. Yet you gunned down Bob, just as Bob had realised that you were about to end him, to betray him, and sunder any credibility your word had. Who can trust you now, murderer, lier, betrayer?

 

This is quite possibly the best explanation of why the traitors actions were so terrible! I liked it very much.

 

Thank you very much ;)

[douchie]

The only Primarch who was quoted as disliking Horus (note this doesn't include any jealousy at his appointment as a Warmaster) was Corax. That is 1 out of 20.

 

in one of the first three books, Horus speaks of His dislike for the Lion, in a way that seems to be a mutual dislike of each other.

 

Sanguinius, was held in high regard for his purity & faith in the emperor. While Fulgrim was the perfectionist & frustrated his brothers by always boasting he was the best, Sanguinius simply was & this was accepted by the other Primarchs.

[Korraz]

A bunch of primarchs were also pissed at him, because they didn't get the Warmaster-Job.

[Captain Idaho]

The only Primarch who was quoted as disliking Horus (note this doesn't include any jealousy at his appointment as a Warmaster) was Corax. That is 1 out of 20.

 

in one of the first three books, Horus speaks of His dislike for the Lion, in a way that seems to be a mutual dislike of each other.

 

That is post Warmaster and also, if you are referring to False Gods onwards, Horus isn't thinking straight. Remember he originally revealed he received valued counsel from Guilliman who was one of only a few Primarchs who accepted the Emperor's decision with good grace, yet later on he goes on to say that he is Guilliman was against him and jealous of his power. He doesn't just change his mind, he is influenced by the corruption of Chaos (with daemon poison ravaging his body and being on his death bed and all).

 

Point is his view of the Lion may have been coloured by outside influence at the time he made those comments about him...

[TheEmperorsPeace]

Good ol' Sanguinius was a pretty popular fellow and evidently for good reason. Ultimately, it seems, for the worse of his Legion, Sanguinius chose to direct any real amount of negative emotions inward. It seems that he is one of the least argumentative Primarchs despite clearly being one of the Primarchs most prone to anger. Psychological profiles based on the Primarchs would be really interesting.

[Valtonis]

he is also one of the few post-humans that don't look down or talk down to normals

[Beef]

he is also one of the few post-humans that don't look down or talk down to normals

 

 

Whats this opinion based on?

[Kanazuchi]

he is also one of the few post-humans that don't look down or talk down to normals

 

I agree with Beef. If anything, from what I've seen, the Primarchs are actually very nice to humans. Or at least tolerant. Look at Magnus' relationship with the remembrancers or Dorn treasuring the works of the human stone masons in Lightning Tower.

[Wrath of Terra]

Sanguinius seems to have been the poster boy for the crusade, i.e the normal humans seem to have loved him, it's a running joke he had problems with hordes of fangirls, and seems to have been populer with all the Primarchs apart from those who were not quite right in the head.

 

 

More slings and arrows at poor Angron :P

[Kodanshi]

Well I fell in love with Sanguinius in the first HH book, Dan Abnett’s Horus Rising. It was the way he appeared on the battlefield at Murder, and recognised the identity of the dead Blood Angel simply by looking at the markings on the helmet. That he had such a connection to all of his legion made me realise what a swell guy he was.

[hazardousZERO]

This is slightly off topic but who was it that Horus thought should have been warmaster instead of him?

 

Also lovin this topic keep it up.

[Deus_Sanguinius]

This is slightly off topic but who was it that Horus thought should have been warmaster instead of him?

 

This was indeed Sanguinius, our beloved Primarch.

[Nomus Sardauk]

It was Sanguinius, Horus believed that while himself and the other Primarchs had "pieces" of the Emperor's nature such as his psychic talent (Magnus), his lust for battle (Russ, Angron) or his tactical genius (Guilliman, Horus) only Sanguinius held it all and would be able to rule once victory was won, he alone had the Emperor's soul within him.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Sanguinius is a BAMF.

 

But what troubles me about him (and this isnt a crack at him, i like him), is that he was publicly too perfect. those who are seen without large flaws (as i believe Sangy has been so far) must have SOME problems, maybe buried deep in themselves. I wonder what plagued such a seemingly perfect being like SAnguinius?

 

I wonder if his death released whatever he had pent up for so long, marking the BA with the Black Rage. (also, when he was struck down in the Signus Cluster his legion to roused to war in such a manner that the chaos daemons were unable to keep up, and were wiped out)

 

WLK

[Wrath of Terra]

Sanguinius is a BAMF.

 

But what troubles me about him (and this isnt a crack at him, i like him), is that he was publicly too perfect. those who are seen without large flaws (as i believe Sangy has been so far) must have SOME problems, maybe buried deep in themselves. I wonder what plagued such a seemingly perfect being like SAnguinius? WLK

 

Having to cut giant holes in all his favourite robes and shirts for those huge :) wings got him pretty down. I mean who wants to spend their few precious hours of recreation between battles tailoring?