DH downloadable pdf codex...

[Chaplain Lucifer]

Like I said, that's not the issue here... the concern is about losing an asset and coping with it, not if semantics or anything else is making us lose (or not) an asset.

[HsojVvad]

To give CL some credit, others are claiming that the allies rules are gone in other language PDF now, so I see where he is coming from.

 

Well for one, I havn't seen any posts here with DA players using allies so I don't think this will effect many DA players to begin with.

 

What I don't understand, if you were a DA player using allies, what would you have been using then?

[Chaplain Lucifer]

Lately not much but there are some older threads, mainly DW players use GK Grand masters or even GK terminator squads. THE GK GM has a psychic hood, S6 force sword and some gizmos, it's a force multiplier for DW armies that look for a second HQ choice.

[HsojVvad]

Thanks CL I didn't know the GK GM could be used that way. I like both GK and DA and never even thought of using them together. I guess GK being so expensive to collect money wise, I never really game them any thought.

[WarSpirit]

The pdf does not replace the paper copy. Taken from warseer, an answer from GW staff :

 

The new PDF is not meant to replace the hard copy but meant to provide a codex for those who cannot purchase one now. Secondly the allies rules in the new PDF were ACCIDENTALY left out of the American version! As far as the blog goes I will do my best to get that sorted out for you guys!

 

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So you can still join allies ot your DW army if you want.

[Decoy]

As all things GW, if the Allies rules were "ACCIDENTALLY left out of the American version!", why have all the other versions been altered to eliminate the Allies rules? If it were a mistake, you'd think they'd just add the two pages back into the American version as opposed to wiping out the Allies rules for all other versions.

[WarSpirit]

Wellit could be that they want to prepare all DH player to their new dex without allies.

[FerociousBeast]

Lucifer, Isiah said this:

But the one that us as Unforgiven fall foul of (actually any other Imperial army) is that the Allies rule has gone. That means no more GKTs figthing alongside my Deathwing, or Inquisitors plus Mystics in any other SM or Guard armies for that matter.

 

This is factually incorrect. See here: http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/show...mp;postcount=85

 

Therefore, this discussion is misleading, and that needs to be pointed out.

[Isiah]

Lucifer, Isiah said this:

But the one that us as Unforgiven fall foul of (actually any other Imperial army) is that the Allies rule has gone. That means no more GKTs figthing alongside my Deathwing, or Inquisitors plus Mystics in any other SM or Guard armies for that matter.

 

This is factually incorrect. See here: http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/show...mp;postcount=85

 

Therefore, this discussion is misleading, and that needs to be pointed out.

 

 

Eh :huh: ??

 

Well here's the deal:

 

A new DA player comes along. If he only has access to the pdf version of the DH rules then how does he know that if he had a book version then he could take allies??

 

Or look at it the other way around;

In order to make use of allies -- you need to know they are there to be taken in the first place. As the paper DH pdf makes no mention of them... and if you don't own a book version... you see the problem.

 

So GWs argument doesn't actually wash.

 

Plus: if (IF) indeed the two versions are to be used concurrently/simultaneaously then the rules content in both SHOULD BE EXACTY THE SAME (excuse the shouty caps :angry:) as there is no reason why they shouldn't be is there??

 

It's not good enough for them to say one thing, whilst the available contradictory rules say another. Frankly I'm not taking the words of someone who said something to someone on BoLS as being proof of anything <_<

 

So no, this topic is not misleading.

 

Cheers

I

[FerociousBeast]

If that new DA player has access to the PDF, he has access to the Internet. If he has access to the Internet, he has access to the information that the printed copy of the book has allies rules, and he has access to eBay.

 

Unfortunately, if he has access to the Internet, and an interest in the subject, he will sooner or later find one of these threads filled with people who continue to say that, despite all the communiques we have from GW on the matter, allies are now illegal.

 

My $0.02.

[Chaplain Lucifer]

For sanity's sake let's run this thread on a couple of premisses, to prevent further discussions on the subject:

 

1) It's not an oversight by GW and allies are no longer valid.

or

2) It's an oversight, allies are vallid, player has access to both codex and .pdf but gaming group disregards that and allows no allies

 

That way the discussion can continue without being pointed out at everyother reply that Allies are indeed valid or contradicted and allies aren't valid.

[FerociousBeast]

A final word from GW website on the matter:

 

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/...p?aId=11200008a

 

(First paragraph. Summary: both the PDF and the printed book are okay to use.)

[Augustus]

Thanks FB for the clarification :ph34r:

[Ash]

DA codex (correct me here) only says DA have been known to leave the field in the presence of an Inquisitor. I does not say they refuse to fight alongside Inquisition. Does not play well with others does not mean will not play with others . It is not against fluff to field GK who are not inquisition in strict terms, or in extremes an inquisitor if you read the above in the codex. The allies rule seems to still stand as in the paper codex? Good enough for me then. I can imagine the conversation; DA Company Master to Int Chaplain "10,000 years and they(inquisition) still ain't figured it out, stick those GK's out on the flank to face the demons I need that psyker there" (load their position into the devastators fire mission co-ords just in case they get overrun)

I am still going out; still having fun; and building a GK and GM troop choice, its a good alternative to Ezekiel who is the only L10 pysker DA have. I might even paint up an Inquisitor and ret plus a few assassins for fun :D