ragnor of the iron wolf Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 for about 2 months now ive been on a loosing streak heres my 2000 pt army list hq wolf guard battle leader wolf guard battle leader boltgun frost axe runic armor wolftoothe necklace wolf tail talisman wolf priest wolf priest metla bombs wolftoothe necklace wolf tail talisman saga of the warrior born elites venerable dreadnought "god slayer" ven dread heavy flamer plasma connon wolf tail talisman transport-drop pod wolf scout pack "the wolves of the shadow" 5 wolf scouts 4 sniper rifles heavy bolter wolf guard wolf lords retune"fist of might" 5 wolf guard terminator armor 2 power fist chain fist cyclone launcher power weapon transport- drop pod wolf guard"dragon breaker" 5 wolf guard terminator armor t-hammer 2 frost weapons wolf claws heavy flamer transport- drop pod troops grey hunter squad "god hammer" 10 grey hunters melta gun power fist transport-drop pod total troops grey hunter squad "musphells essence" 9 grey hunters flamer power weapon transport drop pod troops grey hunter squad "flames of vengence" 9 grey hunters flamer power weapon wolf standard transport drop pod heavy support long fangs"fenris wrath" 6 long fangs plasma cannon(3) lascannon(2) can anyone help me break my loosing streak okay took out the point values sorry about that i pasted it from my list on the computer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205111-help-my-fellow-brothers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormsson Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Well firstly, and I might be wrong here, but I think it's an illegal list. You have a ven dread, wolf scouts, 2x units of 5 wolfguard and an 11th wolfguard in the grey hunters. That's at least 4 elites choices. Stormsson Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205111-help-my-fellow-brothers/#findComment-2446444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnor of the iron wolf Posted June 26, 2010 Author Share Posted June 26, 2010 ya didnt factor that in Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205111-help-my-fellow-brothers/#findComment-2446446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain fabian Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 And remove points costs for individual items. We know the cost you know the cost. No point in having them here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205111-help-my-fellow-brothers/#findComment-2446452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Do you want help using the models listed or do you have other models that can be substituted or are you asking what models you should buy to make the list stronger? In any case what models do you have to work with so we can better get you a list that stomps all who oppose it. Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205111-help-my-fellow-brothers/#findComment-2446480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnor of the iron wolf Posted June 26, 2010 Author Share Posted June 26, 2010 all in all both if possible Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205111-help-my-fellow-brothers/#findComment-2446483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 ok i would suggest more troops an uber pimped squad of GH runs around 230 so after 6 troops choices at 230 a pop puts you at 1380 and being as GH are as good as some armies elites it puts you in a good position, and if you are podding i suggest putting MG on the GH squads because remember a melta can kill infantry and tanks where as a flamer cant kill tanks. also with drop pods its all or nothing for me, it has worked more often then not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205111-help-my-fellow-brothers/#findComment-2446497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarmb Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 hqwolf guard battle leader wolf guard battle leader boltgun frost axe runic armor wolftoothe necklace wolf tail talisman wolf priest wolf priest metla bombs wolftoothe necklace wolf tail talisman saga of the warrior born This is a lot of points spent on HQ, even for 2000 points. You've also gone with what are arguably the weaker of the HQ choices, at least without a specific roles for them. I'd cut it down to two maybe three HQ choices. At least one of those should be a Rune Priest. elitesvenerable dreadnought "god slayer" ven dread heavy flamer plasma connon wolf tail talisman transport-drop pod This guy is the only relevant vehicle on the table, near as I can tell. Nobody has any reason to shoot at the pods, so he's going to be taking the full brunt of every weapon that wants to hit AV12. You're looking at lot of points that don't have anywhere to hide. If you want to use this guy some get some other non-Pod models with AVs on the table. Also consider fielding him as a standard dreadnought rather than venerable, the upgrade isn't the best buy points-wise. wolf scout pack "the wolves of the shadow"5 wolf scouts 4 sniper rifles heavy bolter Wolf scouts (Generally) play better to disrupting the enemy rear field with vehicle destruction or assaulting heavy weapons teams and the like because of their accurate outflanking. Kitted like this they're just a run of the mill shooting unit. Not a total loss, but probably not worth the FoC slot. There are better ways to spend your points. wolf guardwolf lords retune"fist of might" 5 wolf guard terminator armor 2 power fist chain fist cyclone launcher power weapon transport- drop pod This seems fine. TDA Wolf guard aren't the most efficient units out there, but you've resisted the temptation to put too many goodies on them. wolf guard"dragon breaker"5 wolf guard terminator armor t-hammer 2 frost weapons wolf claws heavy flamer transport- drop pod This is a lot of points tied up in 5 models. Unlike with your other squad, you've sprung for a lot of melee toys here, something that just doesn't work well. troopsgrey hunter squad "god hammer" 10 grey hunters melta gun power fist transport-drop pod total troops grey hunter squad "musphells essence" 9 grey hunters flamer power weapon transport drop pod troops grey hunter squad "flames of vengence" 9 grey hunters flamer power weapon wolf standard transport drop pod These teams are fairly normal, though the inclusion of the ICs really makes you want to be thrusting these guys into melee. Grey Hunters excel in their flexibility, and probably shouldn't be treated like dedicated assault units unless you've got a really good reason to do so. Sticking wolf priests or battle leaders with them means you want them charging or you're wasting 100+ points. heavy supportlong fangs"fenris wrath" 6 long fangs plasma cannon(3) lascannon(2) Long Fangs are nice, but Lascannons/Plasmacannons are an odd fit. You're in trouble if you lose the squad leader because the weapons want to be firing at such raddically different targets. can anyone help me break my loosing streak In short: 1-) Trim the fat. You've got a lot of toys in there that aren't doing much, and points just kind of thrown around. 2-) More Cohesion. You've got some points tied up in odd men out, or units just doing strange things. Make sure everything has a place and distinct role. 3-) More Support. You've got little in the way of long-range or utility. Another pack of long fangs and a rune priest (Maybe with Living Lightning and Murderous Hurricane) would go a long way to helping you keep the battlefield under control. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205111-help-my-fellow-brothers/#findComment-2446508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnor of the iron wolf Posted June 27, 2010 Author Share Posted June 27, 2010 okay so this is my redone list hq wolf lord wolf claw bolter belt of russ wolftoothe necklace wolf priest metla bombs wolftoothe necklace wolf tail talisman saga of the warrior born rune priest chooser of slane master of runes elites dreadnought "god slayer" heavy flamer autocannon wolf tail talisman wolf scout pack "the wolves of the shadow" 5 wolf scouts melta bombs bolter-free wolf guard 5 wolf guard terminator armor 2 power fist chain fist cyclone launcher power weapon-free transport- drop pod troops grey hunter squad "god hammer" 9 grey hunters melta gun powerwepon transport-drop pod + rune priest troops grey hunter squad "musphells essence" 10 grey hunters melta gun powerwepon- transport-drop pod troops grey hunter squad "flames of vengence" 10 grey hunters melta gun powerwepon transport-drop pod troops blood claw squad 9 blood claws plasma pistol power weapon transport- drop pod +wolf priest heavy support long fangs"fenris wrath" 6 long fangs heavy bolters(3) lascannon(2) total-140 predator twin linked las cannons heavy bolters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205111-help-my-fellow-brothers/#findComment-2446758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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