Lt. Smash Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 As the name would suggest, I have a lot of idea's for Space Marine Chapters, and I wanna know which ones to use as they are all fairly radical ideas I'm already working on 2 Chapters. (Tzeentch worshippin' traitors and hard nosed, cut-throat loyalists.) So without further ado, or any more time wasting, here they are. A loyalist Chapter who denies the existance of the Emperor, in private of course. A loyalist Chapter with FEMALE members. A loyalist Chapter who have found an STC, or have developed, a way to clone fully grown marines. Because they aren't sharing this discovery with the Ad Mech, they don't recieve any of the, what is considered to be, "fundamentals" of a Chapter. An all psyker army, they too being loyalists. Anyway. Yay or nay? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 A loyalist Chapter who denies the existance of the Emperor, in private of course. Intriguing. A loyalist Chapter with FEMALE members.A loyalist Chapter who have found an STC, or have developed, a way to clone fully grown marines. Because they aren't sharing this discovewry wuth the Ad Mech, they do't recieve any of the, what is considered to be, "fundamentals" of a Chapter. An all psyker army, they too being loyalists. Terrible. That cover it? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2456983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Smash Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 Really? I thought the Clone marines were cool. Still one idea is okay. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2456986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 A loyalist Chapter who denies the existance of the Emperor, in private of course. Yay, if done carefully. A loyalist Chapter with FEMALE members. Nay. Just.... No. A loyalist Chapter who have found an STC, or have developed, a way to clone fully grown marines. Because they aren't sharing this discovewry wuth the Ad Mech, they do't recieve any of the, what is considered to be, "fundamentals" of a Chapter. Nay. Space Marines are the pinnacle of Imperial science. Cloning them is a no no. An all psyker army, they too being loyalists. Nay. Grey Knights cornered this market already. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2456993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartans Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Here are my two pennies worth. Firstly there is no such thing as a bad idea only the execution can cause it to appear bad so what I am saying is all your ideas have potential. A loyalist Chapter who denies the existance of the Emperor, in private of course. This would be tricky to do and I wouldn't have them deny the Emperor but how about believe he is still alive and in space somewhere and the golden throne is Traitor rumours and they are searching the Imperium for him. Again this is very lose idea but more within reason I think for a loyalist marine or even more realistic they are searching for the lost and missing primarchs to help with the fight. A loyalist Chapter with FEMALE members. I think I have read one done before many moons ago and I think it could work but you would have to have a good reason why. An idea would be that the chapters homeworld was effected by a virus which attacked the male Y chromosome this wiped out 90% of the male population and so to maintain the chapters numbers they begun experementing with using females. In fact I really like that idea and may develop it :tu: A loyalist Chapter who have found an STC, or have developed, a way to clone fully grown marines. Because they aren't sharing this discovewry wuth the Ad Mech, they do't recieve any of the, what is considered to be, "fundamentals" of a Chapter. I am not sure where this one is going are they a chapter of loads of marines and no vehicles? Also how about speed up the process instead of cloning. An all psyker army, they too being loyalists. It would be better to have a world near a warp storm which effects the populus this then creates many more psykers than would normally be found infact all inhabitants have a feint psykic resonation but it does not grow with all but can conversley the planet is also plagued with mutants which are cast out of society into the wastelands etc etc I think what I am saying with all your ideas are they maybe a little extreme and need to be more subtle that is the biggest lesson I have learned in all the years I have been with this forum on and off and still make the mistake at times :) Good luck and hope that helps Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2457006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Smash Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 O.K. making them more subtle is good. Let me clear a few things up though. By cloning I meant, being able to replenish losses faster and having a SLIGHTLY (3 or four hundred more) higher number of marines. And by fundamentals I meant power armour and bolters, but vehicles too. As for the psykers I meant, essentially, a force of Power Armoured Astropaths. Used mainly as a support force, to send communications on the battlefield for other Chapters. Incredibly small too. Probably less than a hundred. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2457010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 By cloning I meant, being able to replenish losses faster and having a SLIGHTLY (3 or four hundred more) higher number of marines. And by fundamentals I meant power armour and bolters, but vehicles too. Execution gimmick, not a concept gimmick. Unless this has some truly interesting effects on the Chapter's character (and, actually, I could see cloning aspirants as something a Chapter might do - and which actually could be very interesting), I wouldn't do it. As is, it's too much "OMG L33T AWESUM!". Themes based around equipment or combat efficiency usually are. Seriously, though, think about cloning aspirants. That could be pretty interesting. And makes a lot more sense than cloning fully grown marines. As for the psykers I meant, essentially, a force of Power Armoured Astropaths. Used mainly as a support force, to send communications on the battlefield for other Chapters. Incredibly small too. Probably less than a hundred. Thing is, since Librarians can communicate telepathically, you can just not armor the Astropaths, put them somewhere safe, and have the Librarian talk to them that way... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2457071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Smash Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 Well cloning aspirants and Emperor haters it is. Actually I think I might incorporate the anit-Emperor sentiment into the Brazen Wolves... Thanks all for the replies! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2457095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hummus Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 been watching blade runner and one of the ideas i have been thinking of for my army is the super accelerated age thing as an interesting hook were the marines mature quickly but age quickly and die in 10 years Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2458037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 been watching blade runner and one of the ideas i have been thinking of for my army is the super accelerated age thing as an interesting hook were the marines mature quickly but age quickly and die in 10 years 10 years is a ludicrously short amount of time in the life of a Space Marine. Heck, gene-implantation, indoctrination, and training alone could take up to a decade. When you have marines living for 400+ years in some cases, 10 years is nothing. If they died after only a decade, they would hardly be worth arming and armoring. Just my thoughts though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2458143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hummus Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 maybe a bit longer then. I wanted the idea of them being grown as fully formed marines that you put straight into the armour and having the age limit as an interesting character plot so it gives them a desperate edge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2458598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 If you do the no worship Emperor one, I can supply you with basic themes and concepts, as I have already had a stab at it. I could also steer you away from certain bad areas and towards good areas, but then so could any Liberite... the difference is I am also working on the project and get what you are doing more. Not sure if you are going with that one though, so this is just a suggestion/speculation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2458643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Smash Posted July 11, 2010 Author Share Posted July 11, 2010 Thanks for the offer Dark Apostle. When I get around to starting these guys, assuming I do, help will be greatly appriciated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2459757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Smash Posted July 11, 2010 Author Share Posted July 11, 2010 Had a new idea. Whats the viability of writing an IA about a dead (destroyed) Chapter? Like in retrospect of the Chapters achievments? Also, on the cloned marines subject, how about a Chapter that vat grows it's marines, although it takes a lot of resources to do so, and the marines are "created" over a 20 year period, which includes implantation, so not much faster than normal, before being armed and armoured in the style of a standard Space Marine. The marines would be identical in all physical ways, and would go around bare-headed in order to increase the menacing shock value of a Chapter. After all, for a squad of traitor guardsmen holed up in a trench who lose half their men trying to kill a single marine, only to see one, two or three identical soldiers enter the room. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2459914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 I say go for it - the idea of a dead chapter, that is. When I get the Burning Scythes done, they'll onlyy have one slightly insane survivor, so I don't think there should be any reason why you shouldn't. On the clones - No, they should have their helmets on, except for commanders. That way, when a commander dies, nobody outside the chapter knows, and thinks they are unkillable. Actually stole the above idea from a book where a sorceror takes a man, morphs his body to match a preset template, and sends him out into the world with the sorceror having him under the sorceror's direct control. If the man dies, the sorceror simply repeats the process, and to the main characters, it seems this man is unkillable, having killed the man many times. They think he is the same man, come back to life. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2459966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaplainMathreyn Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 how about a Chapter that vat grows it's marines The big thing that yells out to me is, why haven't Other Chapters done this, though? I mean, I which Ultramarine Wouldn't want to, using the same geneseed as their Primarch, actually Look like their Primarch.... Whoaaa! Or, failing that, a great hero of the Chapter (I'll use Calgar, as everyone knows him)... An army of very, very similar Calgars... Or, if you're a Raven Guard, an army of Kayvaan Shrikes, etc. I do think, however, you could get away with very very cosmetic changes that would make all the Marines look very very similar... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2460002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofTerra Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Isnt that wha the Alpha legion did? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2460133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaplainMathreyn Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Well... Sort of... I don't see the Alpha Legion Commanders being overly decorated (ala, you cannot snipe at the leadership), and they trained everybody to take the initiative, so if the commander Did die, then Brother Bob could take over and lead the Squad to victory. As to cloneing themselves to All Look the same... I doubt it... I can see them all Fighting the same, or something of that nature to confuse the dickens out of someone, but... Eh. It does seem very Alpha Legiony, though, don't it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2461928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 They didn't clone themselves, but part of the surgery to bcome a SM (Pre-Heresy, anyways) was to surgicly alter their faces to more resemble their primarch to the point of being almost clones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/205986-lots-of-ideas/#findComment-2462030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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