GK wargear question

[Daeghrefn]

It is listed in the DH codex that the storm shield "counts as a weapon". Does it therefore render an extra attack with the Nemesis Force Weapon like a pistol would? Six attacks on the charge with a GM force weapon would be pretty sweet. :P

[Justicar Valius]

Depends on your point of view, I'm still on the bench. Apparently you can do it though.

 

Please check the stickied DH gotcha FAQ at the top of this forum for general consensus about any of the weird and waacky rules in th DH dex (and when the new rules are used instead such as in the french codex)

[Eddie Orlock]

It is listed in the DH codex that the storm shield "counts as a weapon". Does it therefore render an extra attack with the Nemesis Force Weapon like a pistol would? Six attacks on the charge with a GM force weapon would be pretty sweet. :lol:

See previous discussions.

 

I maintain that the answer is: "No, and stop being silly".

 

Depending on just how technical you want to get, you might be able to use it to not attack with your NFW if you deemed that to be desireable.

[Daeghrefn]

The thing that got me thinking about it was hearing it in the fluff recently, a terminator with TH/SS used his storm shield as something of an offhand weapon. It was in the audio book , "Fireborn", by Nick Kyme. I seem to remember a couple other fluffy descriptions from other sources doing similar things.

 

So, I figured if it 'counts as a weapon' and they do it in the fluff, that seemed reasonable. Of course the question would only come up with the old DH version, because of it's note on the wargear table.

Just so you guys know, I'm not trying to cheese this out. I have pointed out the section to local opponents and not had someone argue against it yet. Probably just misplaced faith that their shiny new books will prevail regardless... heh heh.

[Adir]

"it counts as a single-handed weapon" - verbatim from the codex (both print and PDF) :lol:

I am, of course, biased:

[JamesI]

I do no think GWs intention is to let the shield count as a weapon.

 

Looking at the wording of the pdf download, it seems that it would count. though the wording is confusing:

 

Although a storm shield is not a weapon as

such, it counts as a single-handed weapon

because nothing else can be used by the arm

holding the shield.

 

It says its not a weapon, but it counts as a weapon, could see either way on this one. wish it was clearer.

[Grandal]

Wouldn't it be a special weapon anyways? Therefore not offering another attack when using a NFW - also a special weapon?

[Brother Karmador]

In the space marines codex, it is clearly stated that a model equipped with a storm shield may never claim the +1 attack bonus for being armed with 2 close combat weapons.

[Valerian]

Wouldn't it be a special weapon anyways? Therefore not offering another attack when using a NFW - also a special weapon?

 

No, it doesn't say that it counts as a "special" close combat weapon, just that it counts as a single weapon. I doubt they intend for it to grant an extra attack, too, but they don't explicitly say either way, and we typically don't consider intent, but only Rules as Written when discussing what is allowed.

 

Since our Storm Shields get the shaft with their not-yet-updated 4+ Save to a single melee attack, then allowing them the +1 attack for the user is a pretty fair compromise. If, however, your gaming group allows you to take advantage of the 3+ Invulnerable Save versus any/all attacks of all other modern Storm Shields, then it would definitely not be cool to try to squeeze out the extra attack, too.

 

Valerian

[Gentlemanloser]

In the space marines codex, it is clearly stated that a model equipped with a storm shield may never claim the +1 attack bonus for being armed with 2 close combat weapons.

 

Lucky we don't use the Space MArine Codex then. :P

 

But in all seriousness, what V said!

[Adir]

Since our Storm Shields get the shaft with their not-yet-updated 4+ Save to a single melee attack, then allowing them the +1 attack for the user is a pretty fair compromise. If, however, your gaming group allows you to take advantage of the 3+ Invulnerable Save versus any/all attacks of all other modern Storm Shields, then it would definitely not be cool to try to squeeze out the extra attack, too.

Heh, agree with this statement 100%! I would gladly take the 3++ over the extra attack. Either the +1A or the 3++ but not both. For that matter, I'll take frags on my PAGK, 15 pt power fists for my IST sarges, and 5th ed dedicated transports ;) ah well...