thundrchickn Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 I normally have my sang priest attached to a RAS and he's usually in the very back as they make their progression to their target. The squad charges a unit, all of them get into b2b or within the 2 inches. The sang priest normally doesn't get into b2b because he's so far back but usually within the 2 inches although he can't attack because he has to be in b2b. here's the question: since the priest is not in b2b BUT attached to a unit that has assaulted, can he break off from the squad(since he's not in b2b(personally assaulting) and go do other stuff? I know at the end of the turn you have to try to get into b2b with ALL units but I usually try to wrap them up so my preist can't get into b2b. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Yes, but remember if he does that he can be targeted as a separate unit from shooting attacks. That's a free kill point. All the usual rules apply to ICs joining units, so he will do it at the end of his movement phase, not in the assault phase. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundrchickn Posted July 10, 2010 Author Share Posted July 10, 2010 Yes, but remember if he does that he can be targeted as a separate unit from shooting attacks. That's a free kill point. All the usual rules apply to ICs joining units, so he will do it at the end of his movement phase, not in the assault phase. just wondering because I use a very mobile razorback army and it would be nice to piggy back a sang priest. I'm thinking charge with one. next turn move from 1 st group into the second. I'd still give the benefits to the first as I'd only be 6" away. Theorycrafting a new strategy. This is just a small piece. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 once the assault is declared, it is too late to break off. You will have to break the priest off in the movement phase (meaning get him out of coherency) then send the unit to assault. If the priest is still attached at the time of the assault, even if he can't reach base to base, he has to stay with the unit until the combat ends. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 as JamesI said basically... The priest is considered to be part of the unit to all intents and purposes unitl it comes to making/taking attacks in combat. During combat the have to be in B2B contact with the enemy to actively participate (SPs are IC) and are considered to be a seperate unit- the enemy either attacks the squad or the priest and wounds inflicted on either don't carry over. Just because he is a seperate unit during part (not all) of the combat pahse does not mean he is not locked in combat. it also doesn't mean he can leave the unit during his next turn UNLESS the unit is no longer locked in combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguinarian Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 I wonder if Dante would approve of his SPs hiding from combat!?! This is #2 on my list of "WHAT THE HECK!?!" Blood Angels don't hide or cower or run from a fight! Aside from Corbulo, which I only use against heavy SC Lists, I don't even use an SP. I don't ever want to be tempted to hide him in the back of an assault. BTW, #1 is people allowing their DC to be kited around. That irritates me to no end reading that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordofDeath11 Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 I don't think killing the individual Priest would count as scoring a kill point though, unless you only chose to take one priest to fill that elite slot. Otherwise the kill point would only be rewarded if all the Priests(1-3) in the unit were killed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 I don't think killing the individual Priest would count as scoring a kill point though, unless you only chose to take one priest to fill that elite slot. Otherwise the kill point would only be rewarded if all the Priests(1-3) in the unit were killed. Nope, since each priest is a separate unit once they hit the table, each priest is his own KP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundrchickn Posted July 11, 2010 Author Share Posted July 11, 2010 I wonder if Dante would approve of his SPs hiding from combat!?! This is #2 on my list of "WHAT THE HECK!?!" Blood Angels don't hide or cower or run from a fight! Aside from Corbulo, which I only use against heavy SC Lists, I don't even use an SP. I don't ever want to be tempted to hide him in the back of an assault. BTW, #1 is people allowing their DC to be kited around. That irritates me to no end reading that. dante is a tactical monster. I'm sure he would approve of crushing his enemies and winning the war instead of a priest fighting every single opponent in his way. We're blood angels, not khorne berserkers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Sanguinary Priests are the protectors of the genetic legacy of the chapter. They are not merely Apothecaries and their rank exceeds that of even the Chaplains. Having them remain in transports is not a problem for me, personally. And if you look down on it, then that's your issue to come to terms with, not mine. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundrchickn Posted July 11, 2010 Author Share Posted July 11, 2010 Sanguinary Priests are the protectors of the genetic legacy of the chapter. They are not merely Apothecaries and their rank exceeds that of even the Chaplains. Having them remain in transports is not a problem for me, personally. And if you look down on it, then that's your issue to come to terms with, not mine. ;) my plan was to try and force all my razorbacks downfield and any that get popped drop toorps that either 1 run to the nearest objective or 2 assault the nearest threat. If the one that gets destroyed has a priest, i want him to be able to break away and get into another transport that is still pushing forward. I'd rather have my priests in the main fight with my opponents main forces. My question was to clear up whether I could hide him from shooting but obviously this won't work. btw decimated another opponent 2 to 1 in objectives last night. almost forced a few termies and a sang priest off the board. had 3/4 of my tanks still on field and 4/5 of my troops. killed almost all his troops except his reclusiarch squad and a 5 man bolter squad that were hiding all day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 I personally use my Fast Razorbacks to mobilise my smaller units all to one weak point in the enemy's defences and try and cause a breakthrough which leads to be being able to roll through the rest of his army. I only run Corbulo, not Sanguinary Priests. 3 6 man RAS with one in a Rhino accompanied by Corbulo and a Librarian. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundrchickn Posted July 11, 2010 Author Share Posted July 11, 2010 I personally use my Fast Razorbacks to mobilise my smaller units all to one weak point in the enemy's defences and try and cause a breakthrough which leads to be being able to roll through the rest of his army. I only run Corbulo, not Sanguinary Priests. 3 6 man RAS with one in a Rhino accompanied by Corbulo and a Librarian. i use my marines to tie up theres so they can't move for a few turns and most of the time when I get the charge I win combat easily. My main killers are the razorbacks, 2 baal preds, 2 riflemen dreads, and a devistator squad. usually 2-3 squads survive to hold an objective while the half a bajillion fast tanks tank shock any of their contesters off the objectives so they can't hold or just contest. If it's annhilation I gun line while denied flank. Basically roll marines up 1 side. when their armo goes to respond they usually give up side/rear armor to either my 2 dreads or 5 TLAC. against deepstriking armies its a hard fought battle because they usually DS and melta on their drop. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Landrain Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Just have to be carefull, with the correctly moving the SP when on Pilein... 1) He must move first to pile in. unless anothe IC. 2) He must move to b2b if at all possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 I normally have my sang priest attached to a RAS and he's usually in the very back as they make their progression to their target. The squad charges a unit, all of them get into b2b or within the 2 inches. The sang priest normally doesn't get into b2b because he's so far back but usually within the 2 inches although he can't attack because he has to be in b2b. You should be moving the Sanguinary Priest first. He's an IC and for pile in moves and assaults he is supposed to move after you move the closest model. Check page 48 in the little Rule Book. You shouldn't have any problem getting him n BTB. here's the question: since the priest is not in b2b BUT attached to a unit that has assaulted, can he break off from the squad(since he's not in b2b(personally assaulting) and go do other stuff? I know at the end of the turn you have to try to get into b2b with ALL units but I usually try to wrap them up so my preist can't get into b2b. Nope. An IC can only join and leave units during the movement phase by staying 2" away from the other models. If you want to do this, you'll need to do it in the movement phase. I wouldn't though, since he'll be all alone and can be targeted for shooting. You can't have your Priest cower Brother, he should be up front bringing the righteous fury of Sanguinius! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 ICs only have to move into combat during pile in moves, and charge reactions. Not during assaults. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundrchickn Posted July 11, 2010 Author Share Posted July 11, 2010 i see it not as cowering but being a great leader stirring his troops into a frenzy and them running ahead t o melt faces for sanguinius. No one in there right mind would say patton was cowering but he doesn't lead a charge. The same arguments could go for devistators and shooty dreads. Should they be charging down field constantly or doing their job. sang priest are support units not regular infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 i see it not as cowering but being a great leader stirring his troops into a frenzy and them running ahead t o melt faces for sanguinius. No one in there right mind would say patton was cowering but he doesn't lead a charge. The same arguments could go for devistators and shooty dreads. Should they be charging down field constantly or doing their job. sang priest are support units not regular infantry. A support unit with a WS5 and base 2A? Sorry, I don't agree. In that unit he is the best close combat specialist you have. Give the man a power weapon and let him do some damage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 In combat he is a free Kill Point, and whilst he is alive, he keeps the rest of the unit twice as survivable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 In combat he is a free Kill Point, and whilst he is alive, he keeps the rest of the unit twice as survivable. Sure, but you can't hide him in the back of the unit like the OP mentioned. In my experience, they work much better equipped with a power weapon and leading the charge at the front of the unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Thats why you hide them in a Rhino chasis within 6" of a model from the unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Thats why you hide them in a Rhino chasis within 6" of a model from the unit. Bah. Definitely very effective, but not my style. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 I run my Priests with power swords and they lead the charges. 0b :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguinarian Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 i see it not as cowering but being a great leader stirring his troops into a frenzy and them running ahead t o melt faces for sanguinius. No one in there right mind would say patton was cowering but he doesn't lead a charge. The same arguments could go for devistators and shooty dreads. Should they be charging down field constantly or doing their job. sang priest are support units not regular infantry. A support unit with a WS5 and base 2A? Sorry, I don't agree. In that unit he is the best close combat specialist you have. Give the man a power weapon and let him do some damage. Just wanted to 2nd this train of thought. If he had Scout stats, maybe, but with +1WS & +1A, WHAT THE HECK!?! Might as well paint a yellow stripe down his back!!! To each their own, but WE---ARE---BLOOD ANGELS!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 i keep my priest in the middle of the unit. safer that way... i have the flexibility of him getting into combat when i want then. but he goes with the unit. my opponents at a tourney nevr asked if he was an indpendant character they just attacked the unit. not that i want them to know that ;) i just make sure he isnt anywhere r enemy powerweapons etc if he does hit cc and instead gets to the softer meat sheild. though his ws 5 makes him a pain as he has to be rolled seperately from any other initive 4 models(ie my sarge..) I do think hes done more in cc than my reclusiarch but just hasnt survived as long... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206141-sang-priest-question/#findComment-2459799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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