MADMARTAGIN Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Well first off, a little background. i am relatively new to 40k, especially Space marines. i own, and have a played a few games with a Tau army, but not fully up to speed on all the 40k fluff. With that in mind here is my idea. A "Chapter" like organization, not a full 1000 marines, called the Astartes Remnant. This organization is made up of the "left overs" of various Chapters that have been shattered over the many millennium of warfare in the 40k universe. the Chapters in question would most likely be fleet based, with no home planets to get back to, and possibly the survivors of chapters stranded far from home. the organization would be built from squat xxx of chapter xxx combining forces with squad yyy from chapter yyy, etc. Eventually combining enough for a full company or 3. this organization would be based on a space hulk or fleet of Strike Cruisers. For fluff purposes, and future collecting/modeling/painting, is this idea workable? Thanks in advance MADMARTAGIN Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206194-i-had-an-idea/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGriffon Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Welcome to the Power Armored world of B&C! This idea pops up every now and then, but fluff indicates that shattered Chapters either a) take themselves into a glorious battle to die an honorable death, :) rebuild (ie: Emperor's Scythes), or c) absorb into another Chapter (probably of the same lineage as them). Now, an idea for modelling is sometimes Astartes go on Crusades where Chapters will pledge one or two squads. This isn't normal per se, but it does happen every now and then. However, I reccomend sticking to one Chapter. It looks better as a uniformed paint job on the table, and there are 1000 Chapters out there. I am sure there is one that will fit your personality. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206194-i-had-an-idea/#findComment-2459765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Firstly, welcome to the Bolter and Chainsword and well done for selecting the intelligent portion of the board :D This idea pops up every now and then, but fluff indicates that shattered Chapters either a) take themselves into a glorious battle to die an honorable death, cool.gif rebuild (ie: Emperor's Scythes), or c) absorb into another Chapter (probably of the same lineage as them). I have do not recall any evidence for the latter option - integration into another chapter. I would say the three possibilities are as follows: For Lost Brothers - They find some good old battle to kill themselves in, attempting to take as many enemies with them. Rebuild, Relive - Enough marines survive to rebuild the chapter, although a fair amount of help might be needed from the outside (Crimson Fists) Veterans for the Youth - They form the training cadre for a new chapter (this is a purely Liber theory, but it would make sense). I think you could achieve a similar idea with a crusade force - made up of a variety of chapters sending one or two squads each. You could make it quite fluffy and interesting by doing a neat trick that many DIYers forget about - the historical force. You take a snapshot of this crusade and play that as your army. It could be nearing the end of the crusade when squads have been depleted and need to buddy up in order to make usable squads. It would work the same for modelling purposes although the fluff would be different. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206194-i-had-an-idea/#findComment-2459880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGriffon Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 I swear I read in some Codex that Chapter X was all but destroyed and now they are fighting with Chapter Y. I thought the logical conclusion would they would eventually be absorbed. If I am incorrect, then I apologize for bad gouge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206194-i-had-an-idea/#findComment-2459902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaplainMathreyn Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 I mean, they'd probably have to share something more than bloodline to do that (Me adn my brother share the same bloodline... Didn't mean I didn't punch him when I was a kid when I got mad at him... Oh love... ) I can see how it's plausible, however. Similar tradition/native culture carry-over or something of that nature would bring them closer together me thinks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206194-i-had-an-idea/#findComment-2460022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogi Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Invaders Currently understrength after an all out assualt on Eldar CraftWorld Idharae, the Invaders chapter is reported as operating in a support role to the Novamarines on the doomed planet of Skyfall. p27 C:SM (current) Marines don't all go out in a blaze of glory. As you can see above with the Invaders. With your idea, I believe it is totally workable if the chapters have the lineage of the more practical Guilliman. Others may do it also but for example Dorn sons tend to be stubborn and inflexible. Say a crusade (or even a shared sector with three chapters) got badly mauled fighting X. Three or so chapters are now severly understrength. To maintain combat effectiveness (Say one has more ships the other more footsoldiers..) They have formed a coalition to continue to to safeguard the sector while they attempt to rebuild. Thats my take anyway.. Tis a cool idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206194-i-had-an-idea/#findComment-2460892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Currently understrength after an all out assualt on Eldar CraftWorld Idharae, the Invaders chapter is reported as operating in a support role to the Novamarines on the doomed planet of Skyfall. Understrength is not the same as destroyed down to the last handful of marines. Understrength is probably under the 400 marine mark - enough to still be a fighting force. Destroyed chapters mean down below the 100 marine mark - the Crimson Fists went down to 123 marines (or was it 113?) and manage to rebuild with the help of the Imperium. Also, a support role is not the same as absorption. A support role merely means they are not the main fighting force and are acting as specialists, assistance etc. Being absorbed into another chapter means giving up your heraldry and becoming part of that chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206194-i-had-an-idea/#findComment-2461128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemal Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Currently understrength after an all out assualt on Eldar CraftWorld Idharae, the Invaders chapter is reported as operating in a support role to the Novamarines on the doomed planet of Skyfall. Understrength is not the same as destroyed down to the last handful of marines. Understrength is probably under the 400 marine mark - enough to still be a fighting force. Destroyed chapters mean down below the 100 marine mark - the Crimson Fists went down to 123 marines (or was it 113?) and manage to rebuild with the help of the Imperium. Also, a support role is not the same as absorption. A support role merely means they are not the main fighting force and are acting as specialists, assistance etc. Being absorbed into another chapter means giving up your heraldry and becoming part of that chapter. It was 128 after the Crusade of Righteous Liberation... Hence the number of the Crusade company... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206194-i-had-an-idea/#findComment-2461400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADMARTAGIN Posted July 14, 2010 Author Share Posted July 14, 2010 thanks for the info guys. I will get a some ideas i got narrowed down and finalized then post up a outline. Will have more questions soon MADMARTAGIN Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206194-i-had-an-idea/#findComment-2461973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hummus Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 InvadersCurrently understrength after an all out assualt on Eldar CraftWorld Idharae, the Invaders chapter is reported as operating in a support role to the Novamarines on the doomed planet of Skyfall. p27 C:SM (current) Marines don't all go out in a blaze of glory. As you can see above with the Invaders. Are they on the lookout for an architect namde david vincent? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206194-i-had-an-idea/#findComment-2462362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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