Darkseer Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Hi guys, I came to the conclusion that despite winning a lot of games, I'm not happy with my Space Wolves paint scheme. Could I have some help please? I don't want this to sound like a rant, but I need to outline what I'm not happy with and what I think the solution could be. Then you can give me better feedback/suggestions. Problems: I mixed Space Wolf and Space Marine bits to reduce the sheer volume of feral bling, but there's still so much that it takes forever to paint a single model. I went for the classic "Ragnar" scheme, but found that the Wolf Guard stick out like a sore thumb from each of my squads because they have a different (yellow) shoulder pad and pack marking to the (red) Grey Hunters. I was also learning how to use washes at the time and used some pretty rubbish techniques in the early stages. My metal models keep chipping despite varnishing. I wish I'd gone plastic for my characters and Wulfen instead. I also made up the scheme as I went along in places. So models which have a lot of brown (like the Wulfen) look really muddy. I'm about half way through the big shopping list I have planned. You can see a pics here: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_A8bZUPrO8dk/TArB...1600/charge.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_A8bZUPrO8dk/TChU...ves_2000pts.jpg Possible Solution: My current thoughts are to start again with a standardised paint scheme (grey, brown, gold), using just regular Space Marines, but with bare Space Wolf 'hairy' heads. So a Grey Hunter squad would consist of Tactica Squad Marines with Space Wolves bare heads and a helmeted Wulfen head for the Mark Of The Wulfen guy...or red facial tatoo like in the Codex. The Wolf Guard leading the unit would receive the studded 'Heresy' shoulder pad as a Wolf Guard pack marking. May use Space Wolf torso for the Wolf Guard... This would greatly cut down the sheer amount of painting time and modelling time taken up by 'feral bling' while getting a standardised colour scheme which would be easier to follow. Any characters would be made using the Space Wolves boxed set. That way they'd stand out from the crowd, be resplendent in all their feral bling awesome and not chip, because they won't be made of metal. For pack markings, I'd move away from the 'McDonalds' yellow and red Ragnar scheme. Perhaps red, white and black like the 13th Company scheme? Need some input on this part. I'm really quick and painting freehand, so this is the easiest part for me These are my thoughts, but I'd like yours, because I'm not 100% on this. Alternatively, I could go feral bling crazy, use nothing but pure Space Wolves boxed sets, loads of whacky poses and make them insanely ferocious, but use a quicker, dirtier, paint scheme. What do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 But they look really good! Excellent job, mate! Though I agree, it takes a lot of time to paint one model as opposed to regular smurf-marine tacticals... Having said that and seeing Your despair - if You really don't like how they look - can I have Your models please? B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2461336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkseer Posted July 13, 2010 Author Share Posted July 13, 2010 I have 2500pts painted, which I'd sell after building 1500pts of the new force. If I build the new force... This is why I wanted everyone's helpful input. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2461337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 You could always try the grey-blue school of though... I know it's not very popular here, but myself, having painted about 2000 of 13th Company 5 years ago and sick of codex grey-fortress grey, I found it quite refreshing. I went for yellow shoulderpads for my hunters, and yellow-red on blood claw variants. Long Fangs have white on both with bronze trim and I use a lot of bone - especially on TDA Wolf Guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2461342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf363839 Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 You've got great painting skills brother. I am a big fan of the 13th co scheme because I think red/black or black/red really looks bad ass with our grey armor. My own scheme is basically a red/black version of Ragnars. As you can see, I don't use the traditional marking methods, but they are consistent throughout my army. The guy on the left is a Wolf Guard, and I use the "Ragnar" left shoulder pad and the Wolf Guard pack marking is another one from the space wolves box. The colors are chaos black/mechrite red with a wash of Badab Black. http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae39/phil363839/Space%20Wolf%20Army/DSCF2298.jpg?t=1279027767 http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae39/phil363839/Space%20Wolf%20Army/DSCF2297.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2461349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironking Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 :huh: I haven't painted my wolves yet... hell I haven't even got them yet. They got lost in the mail Looking at yours I would be thrilled if they come out that well. You could try a much deeper, dirtier, duller red / yellow for the shoulder pads. You might also try a thin metalic light blue/grey base coat and then build up into the greys - so you get an almost blue-grey glow coming from under? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2461392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Problems:I mixed Space Wolf and Space Marine bits to reduce the sheer volume of feral bling, but there's still so much that it takes forever to paint a single model. I think this is the heart of it right here. I too am experiencing this 'lag out' of producing finished models as a direct result of the impressive detail on all the Wolves bitz. All I can say is I personally went through the painful discovery of the new models and found that: 1: IF I want to use the new bling (which I do), then I MUST make a very, very basic foundation colour possible. 2: The basic foundation scheme will allow me more time to spend on the bling factor BUT the bling must also have a basic recipe or I will get bogged down in details and never finish anything. 3: Only characters can have the luxury of a balls out, full effort job, or the army will simply never get done. So that's what I discovered in my own painful plodding along with the new models. Additionally, although this is strictly personal, I really don't care for the "McDonald's" yellow, so I restrict it to the squad marking of my Wolf Guard only. I (like several other players) have decided on a deep red chapter background. I'm personally using my take on Harri's company. Here is my example of this idea after some testing. The blue is a little light because I had too much lighting in the picture. But you get the idea. Here I have gone with a space wolves grey, air brushed on white primer. The only other 'base' foundation colour work is a bit of Asurmen blue wash. Then I go straight to the bling. IMHO, this is a strong table top theme. Yet it is the only way that allows me to progress to other models in a somewhat timely manner (but I have to agree the amount of Wolves detail is staggering to paint, and paint neatly). The one thing I'm not sure of is whether you are happy with your base colour or not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2461399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkseer Posted July 13, 2010 Author Share Posted July 13, 2010 Was thinking of using Army Painter 'uniform grey' basecoat spray, which is pretty much the same as Adeptus Battle Grey which I based my current lot in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2461482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coverfire Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 I found this vid the other day and thought I would test it myself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwCfzaE-T_I Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2461606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einholt Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Was thinking of using Army Painter 'uniform grey' basecoat spray, which is pretty much the same as Adeptus Battle Grey which I based my current lot in. I would recommend against that, I got the army painter uniform grey on monday, it does not go on very nicely, either too thick or thin and on a few test models the paint cracked, just a heads up :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2461623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdall Skullcrusher Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Try out a test of a standard tactical marine with the paint scheme to see if you like it. Personally, I think it will make them look too much like every other marine army on the table. I think a mix of tactical boxes and space wolf boxes is the way to go. Also, the space wolves bare heads are nice, but there isn't enough variety to them if you are going to make all your heads bare (I've found myself trimming down mohawks or cutting off top knots to try and make some more variations). I think your marines look good. I understand what you are saying about the mcdonalds/marty gras paint scheme. Not really sure what to do there. You could change up your company marking to be something other than Ragnar's yellow black. Also some of the pack markings could be toned down, like a solid black background with 3 little red scratches or something. I feel you on the painting though, with my army I only have 2 packs that I would consider finished. I also left off the company marking and am just rocking grey/armor colored shoulders on that side. I think it looks pretty good as it makes the pack marking stand out more. So maybe you could do something simple with the black wolf head on the standard armor grey background. Good luck, I follow the blog all the time so I'm a little concerned to see you switching out armies mid build, maybe it could be as simple as touching up pack/company markings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2461651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearlessgod Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 I'm just starting to rebuild my wolves after selling them a couple of years ago. As far as modeling is concerned, I'm planning to mix up a SM Tactical Squad box and a SW Grey Hunters box to make my first 2 Grey Hunters squad. That way, I can distribute the SW bits (heads, legs, bolters, etc..) evenly between the 2 squads and keep the "bling" for my my Wolf Guard. As for your models, I love the scheme you have already. They are exactly the way I envision my Space Wolves... dark, gritty and ready for a fight. If you want to change the paint scheme (which I wouldn't), keep it simple and as you stated, limit your choice of colors. I hope this helps... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2461749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aelspar Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 i also think you have a great concept going with the grittyness of your wolves. plus the individuality is the great part about our chapter, IMHO. also i am sure many of us here have seen your blog and gotten ideas for our own armies. if your halfway done i say finish the task and once its complete you can take pride in accomplishment of a great looking army. i only have about 500pts painted and thats my goal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2461768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkseer Posted July 13, 2010 Author Share Posted July 13, 2010 Thanks for your support guys, I really appreciate it. I think I need to do all my characters like my plastic Wolf Priest conversion -using Chaos Warrior cloaks and torsos. As for my Wulfen dudes, I could either go plastic (with the wolf helmets) or hand paint varnish onto my metal models. Have been chatting to some friends on MSN. One guy said "It's taken you a year to paint 2,500pts and you've got twice that to paint. Think you may as well just carry on and get it done" I think he makes a valid point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2461781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdall Skullcrusher Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Yeah, I like plastic HQ conversions as I am biased against metal models myself. There are some pretty good ones out there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2461793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aelspar Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 it is a hobby after all. might as well enjoy the process. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2461824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkseer Posted July 14, 2010 Author Share Posted July 14, 2010 I'm very busy, so I'd rather it all just came pre painted actually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2462117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenric Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Must say I liek your wolves alot but understandable you wanna change from time to time. Atm I paint mine in Fenris grey and highlight with Astronomical Grey and it works pretty well. Kinda a jeans color almost. Also where on earth do people get those wulfen models from? They look awesome and fits perfectly and nothign else Iäve found fits my view of a guy with mark of the wulfen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2462185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkseer Posted July 14, 2010 Author Share Posted July 14, 2010 I paid through the nose on eBay. These things are now up to £12 a model :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2462189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 my local store still has them in boxes, 27.50 euro a box ;) I have 10 my self :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2462231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenric Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Doh cheat, I'd love some :) The stores around here have nothing left almost, only big sqauds and no single models almost except the newest releases. Btw what are they called exactly? Maybe I can get one of the stores near me to get some. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2462268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 my local store still has them in boxes, 27.50 euro a box :D I have 10 my self :) You could do some nice business then :P Doh cheat, I'd love some :PMy stores around here have nothing left almost only big sqauds and no single models almost but the newest releases. Btw what are they called exactly? Maybe I can get one of the stores near me to get some. This is how they look like, though the item is no longer available on amazon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2462270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenric Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Ah ok I'm doubting I can get ahold of some but worth a try to ask atleast. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2462276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 You could do some nice business then :D That sayed the same about the lone wolves books and now i have 2 hardcovers that i cant hag :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2462278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 You could do some nice business then :D That sayed the same about the lone wolves books and now i have 2 hardcovers that i cant hag :) How about e-baying them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/206319-not-happy-with-my-space-wolves-scheme/#findComment-2462280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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