Space Wolves VS Space Marines

[The Thirst]

I was having a think today and it crossed my mind that us being an assault based army that we should be able to take IronClad Dreadnoughts...

 

Dontcha think?

;)

[Timberhawk]

I'd tend to agree. I don't see why we shouldn't really.

[The Thirst]

Also As per my banner i think the LoTD suit our army i mean they're essentially a wolf guard squad with the ability to take heavy weapons in PA ;)

[Crimson Devil]

No, why waterdown both armies' flavor. Different armies should get different stuff, otherwise we wouldn't need a seperate codex.

[Guganation]

In short. No.

 

This codex has proved to be tons of fun so far. Apart from the silly mistakes like 10 vs. 12 man Drop Pods. I wouldn't change a thing. I'm havin a blast ;)

[kittenofdeath]

I agree that diffrent dex's sould get diffrent flavour, but there are some things that just should have been universal, such as the ability to grant FNP (I swear that is my bigest problem with our new codex)

 

Also, quite a few of the cool units that made C:SM diffrent from C:SW, were given to C:BA, so clearly matt ward dissagrees

[Quillen]

FNP huh? WHAT THE is FNP. Can you people atleast use the words once in a poat so people too busy with life do not have to sit here and crunch a million option FNP could be.

 

 

As to the Codex and choices, Yes I agree we should have the same stuff vanilla lists get with a few changes. I see no reason why we could not get that dread.

 

A bigger problem is the morons not balancing carry capacity for the transports. They do not want us to get 12 man drop pods thou, cause we could actually take a loades squad with a wolfgaurd pack leader and a heroe. Which would be awesome. But they want us to have options we can not really use. Like the free extra assault weapon, but uselss if you have a Wolf Gaurd pack leader as you are now too big for anything but Crusaders and Redemiers.

 

Now look at Blood Angles. They get a 10 man assault squad with a heroe and a Saig priest so they all get Ferosius charge and they can have jump packs so they don't have to give up something. They get a skimmer that is way over powered.

 

Yet we do not. Who ever tried to limit our transport capacity needs to be fired. Let him go and get someone that wants Codex balanced and will remove codex creep. So tired of it and so tired of flawed rules and closet nerfs.

 

I now only play at the house with friends, or people willing to allow all drop pods the same load out. 10 or 12 as long as it is the same for both.

[The Thirst]

In short. No.

 

This codex has proved to be tons of fun so far. Apart from the silly mistakes like 10 vs. 12 man Drop Pods. I wouldn't change a thing. I'm havin a blast :cuss

im having a blast as well but as we have to use marine datasheets and stratagems we should at least get to use some of their WD and IA updates!

[Schertenleib]

FNP huh? WHAT THE !$@% is FNP. Can you people atleast use the words once in a poat so people too busy with life do not have to sit here and crunch a million option FNP could be.

 

 

Feel No Pain

[Kanis]

I think they differences need to be maintained, or else it's just more of the older editions of space marine codicies, where the Blood/Dark Angels, Space Wolves, etc, where they were simply supplements of the main Marine Codex, with everything being the same unit or choice, but with cute special rules here and there to try and make them unique. So we don't get a few units here or there, but they also don't get units we do.

Sure, Blood Angels new book is quite hard and borderline ridiculous, it's not that bad. Only one or two units make it really that powerful to fight, and those can be countered, like any other unit with some thought and patience. While I love the fluff more than the game, I also take into account that Games workshop is a business first, and needs to act accordingly, even if we'd like things to be different, they must find a balance of our wishes and they're profits. We can't hold the entire company responsible for the acts of one or two fools for writing a bad/creep codex, either.

My two cents,

Cheers

[Hotspur]

I like our dex a lot better than the standard C:SM, even if we don't get some of the "shiny bitz." Yes, the ironclad is nice, but why take ironclad when you can have venerable? I've thought, since the release of the new C:SM, that the venerables were still better anyway.

 

And concerning the White Dwarf and Imperial Armor updates, it clearly states in the BRB that the wolves have "forsaken the codex astartes in favor of the teachings of their own primarch." WD and IA could fall under the "codex astartes" umbrella; if you look at it that way, it makes sense as to why we don't get those things.

 

And who needs'em anyhow?! That Guilliman was a pretentious oaf anyway! :cuss

[Brother-Chaplain Gaius]

If you get Ironclads I want my tactical squads to be equipped with bolters, bolt pistols, and CCW's.

 

Then I'd agree to that :cuss

 

and thank you for that colorful description of our most sacred primarch hotspur. it was entirely necesscary

[Blitzkreig]

I think that only 1 thing should of been added to Codex: Space Wolves that Codex: Space Marines got, and even then they are completely different units.

 

Elite Choice: The Wulfenkind.

Basically between 4 and 9 Wulfen with a Wolf Priest attached. The Space Wolf Counterpart to the legion of the damned.

 

If you get Ironclads I want my tactical squads to be equipped with bolters, bolt pistols, and CCW's.

 

Then I'd agree to that biggrin.gif

 

and thank you for that colorful description of our most sacred primarch hotspur. it was entirely necesscary

 

To be fair, that was a stupid thing they did, not giving all Marines a Combat Knife, Bolt Pistol and Boltgun. Its basic battlefield equipment and something that the fluff always had them equipped with.

[The Thirst]

That Guilliman was a pretentious oaf anyway! :lol:

 

ok i agree with that <_<

[Brother-Chaplain Gaius]

Hold your blasphemous tongues, traitorous dogs! Lest it be removed, spay/neuter style!

 

Emperor curse the mistake that was the sons of fenris.

[Blitzkreig]

Hold your blasphemous tongues, traitorous dogs! Lest it be removed, spay/neuter style!

 

Emperor curse the mistake that was the sons of fenris.

 

So you are going to grab the tongue of a guy who spits acid, has giant fangs (that can dent plasteel) and is regarded as insane by almost every other denizen of the known universe? WOW and I thought the Codex Astartes was stupid.... <_<

[Brother-Chaplain Gaius]

To blaspheme against Guilliman is to blaspheme the Emperor! You dare travel that path? brazen foolhardy wolves

[Roland Durendal]

I like Blitzrkieg's idea. They should have somehow incorporated the Wulfen into the Army list.

 

As for the Drop Pod issue, it was stated by GW (forgot where but it is official) that the Pods in C:SM were a mistake and that SW Pods are actually the right size. They caught the mistake when doing C:SW and adjusted it. Sucks, but least we're right and the regular Marines are wrong <_<

 

SI think our Codex is perfect as is. Would I mind having Ironclads? Yeah it would have been cool, but there's no big loss without them. I mean we get free special weapons (which IDK why people always look down on this. Having a WG w/ combimelta and PF is good, but it gets expensive fast and ends up limiting choices elsewhere in the army), we get rune priests with crazy powers and anti-psyker ability, and we get THUNDERWOLVES. I'll take 2 TWC with a SS and a TH over a IC Dread any day.

[Blitzkreig]

To blaspheme against Guilliman is to blaspheme the Emperor! You dare travel that path? brazen foolhardy wolves

 

So basically you are saying that your Primarch is right and ours is wrong? Even though both methods have worked equally well for 10000 years and were introdced by brothers? To blaspheme against Russ is to plaspheme the Emperor! You dare travel that path? brazen foolhardy smurf (see I can do it too <_<)

[The Thirst]

To blaspheme against Guilliman is to blaspheme the Emperor! You dare travel that path? brazen foolhardy wolves

 

So basically you are saying that your Primarch is right and ours is wrong? Even though both methods have worked equally well for 10000 years and were introdced by brothers? To blaspheme against Russ is to plaspheme the Emperor! You dare travel that path? brazen foolhardy smurf (see I can do it too <_<)

Yeah the SmurfMarine battlecry is pretty much:Go Gulliman!

OURS is AROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Brother-Chaplain Gaius]

To blaspheme against Guilliman is to blaspheme the Emperor! You dare travel that path? brazen foolhardy wolves

 

So basically you are saying that your Primarch is right and ours is wrong? Even though both methods have worked equally well for 10000 years and were introdced by brothers? To blaspheme against Russ is to plaspheme the Emperor! You dare travel that path? brazen foolhardy smurf (see I can do it too :lol:)

Yes but the difference is I was merely defending our glorious chapters name and sacred primarch. From unwarranted, unprovoked, and outright ignorant statements.

guess you missed that :P (started by Hotspur, and seconded by Thirst.)

 

Everybody loves to hate the Ultramarines, especially on these forums. I'm cool with that, speaks volumes. <_< jealousy breeds contempt.

my work here is done, Brothers

[The Thirst]

but we can all agree to hate necrons

<_<

[Grey Mage]

but we can all agree to hate necrons

:D

Im alright, once your in CC with them they really just arent an issue.

 

Anyways- I dont feel that we should have an Ironclad, though I would have enjoyed the ability to get a second DCCW for 10pts or some such.

 

Edit: And seriously, before one of the Wolf Lords comes in and has to knock some skulls can we please leave the whos primarch had more sense arguments out of this?

 

Anyone feeling the need to argue about Guillimans superiority should take it to amicus, the chapter specific subforums are just not the place for a balanced opinion.

[Blitzkreig]

but we can all agree to hate necrons

:D

Im alright, once your in CC with them they really just arent an issue.

 

Anyways- I dont feel that we should have an Ironclad, though I would have enjoyed the ability to get a second DCCW for 10pts or some such.

 

Edit: And seriously, before one of the Wolf Lords comes in and has to knock some skulls can we please leave the whos primarch had more sense arguments out of this?

 

Anyone feeling the need to argue about Guillimans superiority should take it to amicus, the chapter specific subforums are just not the place for a balanced opinion.

 

To tell you the truth I kind of wanted a Space Wolf specific dreadnought..... like a super venerable HQ (that isn't Bjorn)

 

And calm down we're just poking fun at the blue-boy.

[The Thirst]

but we can all agree to hate necrons

:D

And seriously, before one of the Wolf Lords comes in and has to knock some skulls can we please leave the whos primarch had more sense arguments out of this?

 

Anyone feeling the need to argue about Guillimans superiority should take it to amicus, the chapter specific subforums are just not the place for a balanced opinion.

Agreed :D