Synergy with Vanilla Marines

[GlauG]

I'm playing at the Woking War Doubles tournament with a friend of mine who runs vanilla Marines, and we've been musing over what to take. A rough breakdown;

 

500pts per person (1000pts a side)

Combat Patrol rules (no 2+ armour or invun, no more than 2 wounds on a model, no Ordnance, no Vehicles with over 33 total armour)

0-1 each of HQ, Elites, Fast, Heavy

0-3 Troops

 

 

So that cuts a lot of BA options out right from the get-go. On the bright side, it means no Vulkan lists or Nob Bikers as troops, but Rune Priests with their various powers and Eldar have a lot of nasty options. And Sterngard and Thousand Sons are king with their AP3. I've been leaning towards 2X 5-man RAS with PW Sergeants in Razorbacks (either HF or HB), one Jump RAS with PW Sgt, and two SPs. I was hoping to run DC, but the missions are heavily objective based... My teammate's thinking of running 2 10-man Tacs, flamer and ML, and a Librarian perhaps, +transport.

 

Thoughts, comments, suggestions? Any ideas about likely enemy lists are also welcomed.

[Wildfire]

Normally I'd suggest a bike captain to make an all fast type list, but I don't know that you can do that with the restrictions.

 

Still, I think fast stuff might be a lot of fun. Especially in objective missions.

[Brother-Chaplain Gaius]

you go assault squad he goes tac squad. problem solved

[Morticon]

Tough call man. BA are rough at this level.

I would consider forgoing an HQ.

Use either Corbs (yes, yes I know ><; ) or a regular priest with PW as your stand in "hq"

Then, as you said, 2x5man RAS with Razors- at least one of which is a heavy variant.

 

Maybe something like ->

 

Priest - pw

 

5 RAS - PW, MG

Razor - TLHB/TLHF

5 RAS - PW, MG

Razor - TLLC/AC/PG-LC

2 Atack Bikes -MM/HB

[GlauG]

Yeah, the only HQ I could take would be a Librarian... though an Elite Chaplain is also fine. I'm leaning towards 1 lot of JP RAS, and two in Razorbacks purely so that I have the fire support from the Heavy Bolters while I advance (since honestly, at 500pts with the Combat Patrol rules, I expect a lot of horde, and nothing with better armour than a Rhino), and if I'm really lucky one might survive to tank shock objectives away from people. Put a priest in each RB with the squads, and try and keep at least one of them within 6"of the JP RAS for the FNP and Furious Charge, too.

Mort, for what it's worth, I really was considering Corby instead of two Priests. ;)

 

I'm kind of torn on the Chaplain and Librarian... I can't help but feel that 2 Priests is a better use of my points due to the buffs that they give, but the option of Shield on the Libby and being able to allocate saves to the Chaplain's Invun might be worthwhile. I can imagine there might be a lot of Tac Squad ML spam... Long Fangs perhaps.

[Drachnon]

Well your actual HQ choices are limited to just librarians so if you want to field HQ that's your only option.

Personally I'd go with something similar as what Morticon posted but wouldn't field a multi melta, I don't think its possible to find a front armor higher then 12 in this game type so the melta weapons seem like a bit of a waste. Especially since missile launchers can take those vehicles out well enough and can be effective vs hordes of troops as well.

 

Razorback with the twin linked bolters seem like a good choice, I guess the vanilla marines will stand their ground and try to kill everything with shooting. Which means that charging forward with everything might not work out too well. Razorbacks with twinlinked heavy bolters should provide a nice amount of extra fire on the enemy and if you keep them in cover they might survive long enough for you to jump in on turn 4 and reach the objectives on turn 5.

 

For 130 points you can have an assault squad with a power weapon and an Razorback you can also add plasma gun, melta gun or flamer if you'd like but I'd wait with assigning those points till you've decided what you're going to field in terms of squads and look at how much points you have left and what you ally is fielding.

 

Personally I'd go with 3 of these assault squads in Razorback and rely on my ally for anti tank fire (preferably in the form of missile launchers since they have 2 firing options). This leaves 110 points which I would spend on two land speeders armed with a combination of 3 heavy bolters + heavy flamers.

 

An alternative list would be something that's completely unlike blood angels and make a stand still and shoot army (probably not that great in objective heavy games but could be fun). Just field 2 10 man marine squads with missile launchers + flamers and 2 priests (one for you one for your ally) you should still have 60 points left which is enough for a razorback with twin linked heavy bolter.

[Corby]

If only you could............

 

 

HQ

 

Mephiston 250pts

 

Troops

 

5 Assault Marines , flamer , 105pts (Removed Jump packs)

Razorback with heavy bolter. 20pts

 

5 Assault Marines , flamer , 105pts (Removed Jump packs)

Razorback with heavy bolter. 20pts

 

 

There would be murder.

[Burningblood]

MUWAHAHAHAHA!

Thats a great list!

[Corby]

MUWAHAHAHAHA!

Thats a great list!

 

 

I think the whole 'No model with more than 2 wounds rule (as described in the original post)' was for this very list.

[Rob_Loken]

I've played a few doubles games alongside Vanilla Marines. We found it better for him to take the supporting role whilst my Assault Units got in nice a close for the personal touch. However those were 1500 each. But still I'd recommend try to maximise our ability to close in quickly with the Vanillas ability to provide supporting fire. Just my 2 cents.

[Brother Kovash]

Corby has an amazing list, and it weighs in at exactly 500 points. Too bad it doesn't fit this format.

 

500 points is extremely limiting for any Space Marine army. You could try to sneak in a Whirlwind or Vindicator in the Heavy Support slot, depending on what your teammate is bringing. If you're expecting a lot of horde, a Vindicator in the right location could take out a ton of models.

[Drachnon]

Vindicator would total to 34 armor so wouldn't be allowed.

[Mattsama]

Vindicator would total to 34 armor so wouldn't be allowed.

 

that and it's ordnance... :)

[GlauG]

Okay, we had a test game against one of the guys at my local GW I know to play a pretty beardy SW list. ;) A friend of mine who's starting Orks sided with him, though it turned out his list was even beardier as it actually broke the tourney rules (I'd forgotten to tell him that he needed one Troops choice, and that no FW stuff was allowed). Turns out that Thunderwolf Cavalry are legal under the Tourney rules, so they basically destroy most other things you come accross.

 

SW:

 

5 Grey Hunters in Rhino, no extras

Rune Priest, with Hurricane of Annoyance and Lightning spam

4X Thunderwolf cavalry, 2 Storm shields, 1 Thunder Hammer

 

Orks:

 

FW Warkopta

Big Mek with Custom Force Field, Kustom Mega Blaster

Burnaz

4 Nob Bikers, inc Painboy

 

Think that was it for the Orks.

 

We rolled Capture and Control, our opponents won the choice of turn and elected to go first. Deployment was Spearhead, I put my JP RAS into reserve, everything else was on the table. So turn 1, the Thunderwolves raced over and destroyed a Combat Tac Squad, while the Warkopta went Flat Out into our deployment zone, but not near enough to the objective, and shot the Vanillaback, immobilising it. In our turn, we plinked at the Warkopta and stunned it, and I immobilised the Rhino about 8" from the enemy obective with one of my Razorbacks. I wounded a single Thunderwolf with a bolt pistol, but couldn't assault. My partner Gate of Infinity'd his sterngard over to the Nob Bikers, and wounded all but one.

Turn 2, the thunderwolves assaulted one of my RAS who had run over to our objective to plink at them. The rune Priest wrecked one of my Razorbacks, forcing a squad to disembark. The orks disembarked and WAAAAUGHed at the guys who'd disembarked the immobilised Vanillaback, wiping them out. The Nob Bikers took down the Sterngard with power claws, after shooting them down. The Thunderwolves killed my RAS, too. Our turn, my JP troops turned up and dropped right onto the enemy objective, while the guys who's ride had been blown up promptly shot at and charged the Thunderwolves before the TWs charged them! Unfortunately I only managed to kill one. The Vanillaback got some revenge on the Ork burnas with its heavy flamer, killing all but the big mek and one last Ork.

Turn 3, the Vanillaback got taken down for good, the Thunderwolves killed all of my RAS while my JP RAS lost a man to Lightening spam. In response they assaulted the Nob Bikers (who'd shot at them to no effect) and killed them all!

Turn 4, the Grey Hunters and priest finally disembarked, and charged my Assault Marines. I took one down, but they were wiped out by lucky rolls from the RP. With just a Heavy Bolter Razorback to my name, we called the game there.

 

So, not sure what to take away from that really. I don't like running only 5-man squads, but hard to fit more in this points size... toying with Corby, too.

[biglou666]

hm, so you dont even need an ic in your army? to be honest, i think that everyone in the tourney is going to think: hey, we kind of HAVE TO HAVE A SHINY MAN WITH MORE THAN ONE WOUND ZOMG!!1!!1!

 

but, if you dont have to take an hq, or a special character, use that to your advantage. just take lots of troops, and one sp. mabye a buffed up assault squad, a buffed up tac squad, and send of the sp with the asm. use the extra points that you would usually have to forgoe on somthing exspensive to your advantage with these rules. biglou :)

[Nomus Sardauk]

I find the best way for Blood Angels to fight alongside a Codex Chapter would be as follows:

Step 1: Tell the smurfsons to get the hell off my battlefield and watch how real marines kill s**t.

Step 2: PWN everything on the battlefield not mentally adept enough to run like hell.

[Drachnon]

Hmm I think I would start with getting a devastor squad with plasma cannons since in this format plasma cannons can pretty much instant kill most targets (including vehicles).

Then I'd probably get a assault squad to counter charge anything going for the devastators.

[Wildfire]

I think this tourney is long over, and any advice now is worthless.

[GlauG]

I was amused to see this necro'd. :D We ended up taking 2 lots of BA, ended up doing pretty badly in the rankings after winning 2 games and losing 2 to the guys in second and first place respectively.

[Judaz]

Too bad, 13 jump packin' DC with a PW and a fist would be awesome! :D