Allied Striking Scorpions

[The Thirst]

i was reading our current codex and saw that on some planet or another that Egil IronWolf fought alongside an entire aspect of striking scorpions and want to hear what people think about having allied pointy ears in my army!

[whitewolfmxc]

we do it all the time when the time is needed to be flexible , we use em then we kill em , both sides (i do mean SW and their lust for battle ) are happy unless they proved to be honorable and good fighters then we might let them die in a not too painful way .

[Hfran Morkai]

Eldar are the least hostile race to the Imperium, it doesn't stop them attacking Imperial assets but they don't like engaging in open warfare. This also means that there is the greater opportunity for alliances against a greater enemy, especially Chaos (they seem to hate chaos with just about everything they've got...then again Dark Eldar)

 

I say do it, if you want some Eldar units I could see it happening. Obviously only in friendly games/apocalypse.

[The Thirst]

thanks all i just wanted to know if other players would do the same in my position and seeing as my best mate plays microwave men (my name for necrons)

so they would suit my army when i face him(i've yet to beat him=shakes fist=!) :P

[Blitzkreig]

Tau and Eldar are able to work with Marines quite well, but it takes a rather severe reason for them to. An Ork Waagh threatening to kill hundreds of innocent Eldar is one, while the Tyranids doing just about anything is another. The fact that the truce in most cases lasts about 3 seconds longer than the enemy is of little importance :P

 

One thing to remember about the Egil incident of the codex is that the Marines and Eldar were not fighting over a world prior to the Orks, they fought to save their people and were even respectful to each other (the Eldar bringing Egil the body of fallen wolves... if you can think of a bigger sign of respect I would like to hear it) so it wasnt an "oh we were killing each other but then the bugs showed up" type deal.

[The Thirst]

respectful to each other (the Eldar bringing Egil the body of fallen wolves... if you can think of a bigger sign of respect I would like to hear it)

 

im sure Egil and his men would have liked a stein of beer maybe even some elk to go with it! ;)

[Wysten]

But apprently that disintergrated to violence over a mistranslation. I'm not so keen on that, portrays us as idoats in our own codex. XD

 

But yeah, Eldar and Tau are reasonable Xeros. If they want to have a killing contest against Nercons, Orks, Trynads, chaos marines, or even a few Imperial instutions that don't sell me strong enough ale. I don't really mind spreading the love. I think they have enough problems with the imperial guard/Black Templars vowing to exterminate every one. XD

[Fenric]

But apprently that disintergrated to violence over a mistranslation. I'm not so keen on that, portrays us as idoats in our own codex. XD

 

But yeah, Eldar and Tau are reasonable Xeros. If they want to have a killing contest against Nercons, Orks, Trynads, chaos marines, or even a few Imperial instutions that don't sell me strong enough ale. I don't really mind spreading the love. I think they have enough problems with the imperial guard/Black Templars vowing to exterminate every one. XD

 

Don't think they stated Space Wolves started the fight only that there was a mistranslation and a fight abrupted. Probably us but wth can't prove anything! ;)

[spjaco]

In that situation I would suspect the translator had a subversive mission of their own. Maybe a third party wanted a certain outcome....

 

[stirs the pot]

 

"Cloudy, the future is."

[Wysten]

Well, that sort of fluff just seems out of place really. Logan is apprently respected throughout the imperium, but has sanctioned attacks against imperial institutions and fired upon SOB fleets when their tried to enter their airspace. Plus almost started a war over Armagedon. That sounds like exactly the sort of thing the Empire would declare tratrious over and cause him to be disrespected.

 

Just I find it hard to believe that they would fight over something as petty as a translation. That sounds like something a more strict chapter would do. >_>;

[The Thirst]

MY VISION OF THE MISTRANSLATION

 

Eldar:we wish you all the best for your journey home.

 

What the Space Wolves heard:your sister is uglier than a dying Carnifex.

 

lets just say it gets a little heated from now onwards

[Grey Mage]

i was reading our current codex and saw that on some planet or another that Egil IronWolf fought alongside an entire aspect of striking scorpions and want to hear what people think about having allied pointy ears in my army!

Umm... your opponent is unlikely to allow this unless your playing apocalypse, but best of luck.

 

As for the mistranslation, Eldar language includes minute changes in body position and weight, angles of the head, tonal disparities, and about three different types of words, with the same word meaning different things depending on how its modified, sometimes drasticly, by the other parts of their language.

 

Wich means your pronunciation could be right on, but you slouched, to "Have a nice day" could end up being "I will take all your nice days".

[Beef]

Funnily enough I just got some Striking scorpions and a wave serpent in a swap recently, the first eldar I have had in over 15 years. I have always liked teh striking scorpion models with the dreds, kinda remind me of peditar

[Beef]

damn double post

[fivepointedstar]

i used to do it all the time prior to apocolyse even came out it was the only way id even come close to fighting my friends mordian IG 5000pts+/- in troops, 2 baneblades, whole squadrons of tanks, and a :P titan. we played back in late 90's. luckily i had a full force chart of eldar, and sw to die very honorable in a epic day, and a half battle we had.

 

those xenos i had were a help

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

If Ultras can have a temporary alliance with Tau I don't see why the Wolves coulden't be able to do it with Eldar. course the Sons of Russ aren't exactly known for following the rules :P

[Requiem of the Wolf]

One thing to remember,in this and in all other things. We Wolves will allways fulfill our oaths. If we state we will fight beside someone,we will.

 

As for Logan Grimnir being respected across the Imperium...That is because every planet he is respected on,is a planet that he saved the population of. That isn't the sort of thing that can EASILY be countered. The fact that he has 500 years of history of doing that sort of thing would make it impossible. Also, the Lords of Terra would have to release info about such happenings as you described,which would weaken the trust in the Astartes in general. Plus the outcry from every planet he had saved to add to that,makes it not worth it.

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

One thing to remember,in this and in all other things. We Wolves will allways fulfill our oaths. If we state we will fight beside someone,we will.

 

As for Logan Grimnir being respected across the Imperium...That is because every planet he is respected on,is a planet that he saved the population of. That isn't the sort of thing that can EASILY be countered. The fact that he has 500 years of history of doing that sort of thing would make it impossible. Also, the Lords of Terra would have to release info about such happenings as you described,which would weaken the trust in the Astartes in general. Plus the outcry from every planet he had saved to add to that,makes it not worth it.

 

I see two problems with this. 1 the High Lords would have to know about it happening first in order to tell anyone, chapters (especially the Wolves) don't share all of their secrets with the Inquisition and the High Lords. Examples include the 13th company, Thunder Wolf Cavalry etc.

 

And the second problem is that the High Lords of Terra don't HAVE to do anything, it's one of the perks of being one of the masters of the Imperium.

[molsonbeagle]

MY VISION OF THE MISTRANSLATION

 

Eldar:we wish you all the best for your journey home.

 

What the Space Wolves heard:your sister is uglier than a dying Carnifex.

 

lets just say it gets a little heated from now onwards

 

 

This actually made me laugh out loud. I can absolutely see how this might happen. First of all, after a battle, it's quite possible most of the wolves were drunk, or getting there. In which case the mistranslation could have been something like:

 

Eldar: We thank you for your help, we're very alike it turns out.

 

Wolves: We're not no stinkin sneaky pointy ears! RAWR!

 

As an angry psuedo-alcoholic (i fit in well as a wolf) I can absolutely see how shenanigans like that could happen.

[Inquisitor Kravin]

i was reading our current codex and saw that on some planet or another that Egil IronWolf fought alongside an entire aspect of striking scorpions and want to hear what people think about having allied pointy ears in my army!

Umm... your opponent is unlikely to allow this unless your playing apocalypse, but best of luck.

 

As for the mistranslation, Eldar language includes minute changes in body position and weight, angles of the head, tonal disparities, and about three different types of words, with the same word meaning different things depending on how its modified, sometimes drasticly, by the other parts of their language.

 

Wich means your pronunciation could be right on, but you slouched, to "Have a nice day" could end up being "I will take all your nice days".

 

This fits the fluff I recall on Eldar language when they've been encountered by people like Inquisitors who may actually speak before instinctively killing a xeno. I really like your example.

 

On the original topic, I think that there are a lot of alliances possible for Wolves. Unlike some chapters such as Dark Angels (who in 2nd edition when there were official ally rules were specifically banned from allying with non-humans including guard forces containing ogryns or ratlings) or Black Templars who would rather die than compromise. I can see Wolves allying with Tau, Eldar, Abhumans and maybe even Orks in the face of Tyranid or Daemon forces (though the orks would be more of a non-aggression agreement than any planned co-operation).

[Requiem of the Wolf]

One thing to remember,in this and in all other things. We Wolves will allways fulfill our oaths. If we state we will fight beside someone,we will.

 

As for Logan Grimnir being respected across the Imperium...That is because every planet he is respected on,is a planet that he saved the population of. That isn't the sort of thing that can EASILY be countered. The fact that he has 500 years of history of doing that sort of thing would make it impossible. Also, the Lords of Terra would have to release info about such happenings as you described,which would weaken the trust in the Astartes in general. Plus the outcry from every planet he had saved to add to that,makes it not worth it.

 

I see two problems with this. 1 the High Lords would have to know about it happening first in order to tell anyone, chapters (especially the Wolves) don't share all of their secrets with the Inquisition and the High Lords. Examples include the 13th company, Thunder Wolf Cavalry etc.

 

And the second problem is that the High Lords of Terra don't HAVE to do anything, it's one of the perks of being one of the masters of the Imperium.

Well...If your going to declare a chapter of the Marines traitors...in order for it to actually work you would have to...oh I don't know...say something about it to someone. The point about them having to know about it is a very good one however...and we Wolves don't normally tell others whats going on.

 

For instance...if you wanted to hurt the Chapter...first you would have to Destroy Fenris. A full on Exterminatus. Which means you would have to park several Imperial Navy vessels in close orbit around Fenris. Then you would have to convince the Wolves that you meant no harm,and that would be damn difficult to say the least. In order to take out a full chapter....it would take another full chapter,probably two. Which means you would have to convince two Chapter Masters,that the Sons of Russ had gone Traitor....and that wouldn't go over very well. And assuming that you did manage to convince those other two chapters of Marines to work together to take out the Sons of Russ....even if they succeeded,they would be suffering catastrophic casualties. And then all the threats that the Sons of Russ have been holding back would come boiling out and put a hell of a dent in the Imperium. Not to mention the threats that the other two chapters had been dealing with.

 

And all this over a matter like allying on a temporary basis with Eldar. This is also why Ulric recommended to Logan that they not go to war over Armageddon. Because in doing so,it would end up destroying a good portion of the Imperium.

[Grey Mage]

One thing to remember,in this and in all other things. We Wolves will allways fulfill our oaths. If we state we will fight beside someone,we will.

 

As for Logan Grimnir being respected across the Imperium...That is because every planet he is respected on,is a planet that he saved the population of. That isn't the sort of thing that can EASILY be countered. The fact that he has 500 years of history of doing that sort of thing would make it impossible. Also, the Lords of Terra would have to release info about such happenings as you described,which would weaken the trust in the Astartes in general. Plus the outcry from every planet he had saved to add to that,makes it not worth it.

 

I see two problems with this. 1 the High Lords would have to know about it happening first in order to tell anyone, chapters (especially the Wolves) don't share all of their secrets with the Inquisition and the High Lords. Examples include the 13th company, Thunder Wolf Cavalry etc.

 

And the second problem is that the High Lords of Terra don't HAVE to do anything, it's one of the perks of being one of the masters of the Imperium.

Well...If your going to declare a chapter of the Marines traitors...in order for it to actually work you would have to...oh I don't know...say something about it to someone. The point about them having to know about it is a very good one however...and we Wolves don't normally tell others whats going on.

 

For instance...if you wanted to hurt the Chapter...first you would have to Destroy Fenris. A full on Exterminatus. Which means you would have to park several Imperial Navy vessels in close orbit around Fenris. Then you would have to convince the Wolves that you meant no harm,and that would be damn difficult to say the least. In order to take out a full chapter....it would take another full chapter,probably two. Which means you would have to convince two Chapter Masters,that the Sons of Russ had gone Traitor....and that wouldn't go over very well. And assuming that you did manage to convince those other two chapters of Marines to work together to take out the Sons of Russ....even if they succeeded,they would be suffering catastrophic casualties. And then all the threats that the Sons of Russ have been holding back would come boiling out and put a hell of a dent in the Imperium. Not to mention the threats that the other two chapters had been dealing with.

 

And all this over a matter like allying on a temporary basis with Eldar. This is also why Ulric recommended to Logan that they not go to war over Armageddon. Because in doing so,it would end up destroying a good portion of the Imperium.

Mmmm... lets not forget that the Fang is the 3rd greatest fortress in the imperium, second only to Cadia and the Emperors Palace.

 

AND Space Marine Chapters are one of the very few institutions in the imperium who are gauranteed a long trial by the high lords of terra for any charges leveled against them. That could take a decade easy.

[Zynk Kaladin]

Let's not forget if the High Lords wanted to get rid of the Wolves, they'd have to get rid of my Night Angels first! :lol:

 

To answer the original question, if you wanted to set up a fluff battle I'm sure you and your opponent could work out a deal. Like Grey Mage said, this situation would work out best in apocalypse battles.

 

Off Topic: I don't see why siding with the Eldar when needed is necessarily bad... but tread lightly, they're looking out for their best interests, not the interests of both sides. That is understandable because the Imperium does and should do the same for various reasons. Personally, I don't hate or like the Eldar and my chapter acts neutrally to them. They deserve a warrior's respect though, which I expect them to have in return. The only reason I see why we should hate them (other than being xenos) is because they can be so damn arrogant.

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if I had a choice to beat the crap out of eldar, chaos, or orks I'd pick chaos and orks over eldar. At least the eldar can have some capacity for benevolence.

[Niiai]

Eldar are the least hostile race to the Imperium, it doesn't stop them attacking Imperial assets but they don't like engaging in open warfare. This also means that there is the greater opportunity for alliances against a greater enemy, especially Chaos (they seem to hate chaos with just about everything they've got...then again Dark Eldar)

 

I say do it, if you want some Eldar units I could see it happening. Obviously only in friendly games/apocalypse.

 

I am not quite shure what you mean about the dark eldar. The dark eldar also hate chaos very much, if not more. True they are slanesh incarnate, but they realy hate slanesh and the other chaos gods.

[Blitzkreig]

You know despite what every body says, calling a first founding chapter a traitor would probably amount to a full blown marine rebellion. I mean the first founding are the boys who fought their own brothers for the imperium, the boys who gave everything for it. Call the Wolves traitors and you might as well call the Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Iron Hands, Salamanders, White Scars, Imperial Fists, Raven Guard and Ultramarines traitors as well because all 9 would just give the imperium a big middle finger. Same if you said "oh, the Salamanders are traitors".... all in all it isnt a smart choice.